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Kontossis
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada256 Posts
January 24 2014 05:46 GMT
#4801
Holy crap, hand posture makes a HUGE difference in playing osu. I was putting my thumb outwards when I was playing and I couldn't figure out how people single tap or stream so quickly. After curling my thumb under the index, I feel tapping is so much controlled which helps my accuracy quite a bit because I'm hitting the circles in the right time. I also heard that keeping your pinky straight also helps out with stamina/control apparently when I searched up how people's posture is like when playing.
Nom nom nom...
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 13:35:30
January 24 2014 13:35 GMT
#4802
Hue, i wouldn't know about anything like that.
I directly copied my hand posture from how i play the piano. This almost exactly:
[image loading]
The focus is on the middle and index finger, because (of course) you only need 2 buttons. Single tapping is done with my middle finger. For me, key is to keep my hand as relaxed as possible at every moment. In my experience, the moment you're unnecessarily straining your hand, your speed and accuracy goes down a lot.

I don't know if the following has any benefits other then relaxing me, but i also always try to make an upward movement during single tapping. This also comes directly from my piano lessons, and it seems to help rythmic stability. Note this doesnt work for high bpm songs, but i think it's at least possible until 200 bpm.

But yeah, i think posture makes a huge difference.
Kontossis
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada256 Posts
January 24 2014 13:45 GMT
#4803
On January 24 2014 22:35 Yorbon wrote:
Hue, i wouldn't know about anything like that.
I directly copied my hand posture from how i play the piano. This almost exactly:
[image loading]
The focus is on the middle and index finger, because (of course) you only need 2 buttons. Single tapping is done with my middle finger. For me, key is to keep my hand as relaxed as possible at every moment. In my experience, the moment you're unnecessarily straining your hand, your speed and accuracy goes down a lot.

I don't know if the following has any benefits other then relaxing me, but i also always try to make an upward movement during single tapping. This also comes directly from my piano lessons, and it seems to help rythmic stability. Note this doesnt work for high bpm songs, but i think it's at least possible until 200 bpm.

But yeah, i think posture makes a huge difference.


According to this thread http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2359114 which I took advice from, this works properly if you single tap with your index finger. It has a lot of useful advice so I would suggest people who never thought of posture to glance through.
Nom nom nom...
nooboon
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2602 Posts
January 24 2014 14:25 GMT
#4804
I was using Q,W and then switched to Z,X and found that it was much easier to move because there was less tension on my mouse arm.

Also pressing keys with your fingers vertical like in that piano picture is better then is you are pressing with your fingers extended. Little things can help your play out a lot.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 16:24:59
January 24 2014 16:07 GMT
#4805
On January 24 2014 22:45 Kontossis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 22:35 Yorbon wrote:
Hue, i wouldn't know about anything like that.
I directly copied my hand posture from how i play the piano. This almost exactly:
[image loading]
The focus is on the middle and index finger, because (of course) you only need 2 buttons. Single tapping is done with my middle finger. For me, key is to keep my hand as relaxed as possible at every moment. In my experience, the moment you're unnecessarily straining your hand, your speed and accuracy goes down a lot.

I don't know if the following has any benefits other then relaxing me, but i also always try to make an upward movement during single tapping. This also comes directly from my piano lessons, and it seems to help rythmic stability. Note this doesnt work for high bpm songs, but i think it's at least possible until 200 bpm.

But yeah, i think posture makes a huge difference.


According to this thread http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2359114 which I took advice from, this works properly if you single tap with your index finger. It has a lot of useful advice so I would suggest people who never thought of posture to glance through.
The pinky thing goes automatically i noticed, so that's fine.
I strongly disagree, though, with touching the desk with either your elbow, wrist or hand. I don't know anything from an anatomical point of view, but i tried all some time ago and nothing worked as good as hovering you arm above the desk, provided your elbow is perpendicular. Both wrist and hand on the desk hurt a lot. Could be personal preference though.

As for the connection between carpal tunnel and hovering your arm above the desk, it's not that there is more risk involved. The point is that things can go wrong a lot more, especially at a niche game like osu, because people don't realise they're making mistakes regarding the technique. I would recommend to people to read this to make sure you have the correct posture. That is, if you choose to adopt this piano-esque technique. In the beginning, it may seem as if you're jumping from the keyboard, but that's just getting used to it.

I hope this was clear, as i wrote it let's say in a stream of consciousness 8)
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 23:09:21
January 24 2014 23:08 GMT
#4806
I have felt my left wrist a bit when i'm not careful, however i have no issues at all with right that step from gameplay even extreme and long hours like osu, sc2 and FPS, so i'm really glad of that (@3.05 inches to cross screen and ~25-30cm/180 in fps)

The only time my right wrist has issues is when i slump awkwardly and forum browse/reddit etc for like half of the day - and it's clearly not because of mouse settings.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-25 06:04:51
January 25 2014 06:03 GMT
#4807
Vid to show some skin changes:



too tired to do other stuff (physically! :D)

removed the circle that expanded outwards with hits, changed trail (less glowy much more solid), added a darkening effect to circles (you can see it on sliders as the start and end point are changed but middle is not - was unintended, but i like it somewhat)

also will change a few sounds i think
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Xafnia
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada874 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-26 19:43:46
January 26 2014 19:43 GMT
#4808
New PP calculations are live. My rank didn't move much but my top10 best scores are a whole lot more accurate.
McRatyn
Profile Joined January 2013
Poland901 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-26 20:13:07
January 26 2014 20:12 GMT
#4809
Just installed it. Don't rememer when was the last time I played a rythm game (if any!) so it' ridiculousely hard! But fun anyway
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-26 22:39:41
January 26 2014 22:30 GMT
#4810
On January 27 2014 04:43 Xafnia wrote:
New PP calculations are live. My rank didn't move much but my top10 best scores are a whole lot more accurate.
Lol, because of new calculations my rank went up 800 places to #1270.

edit: The new rankings feel pretty ok. When i look at dutch rankings, i feel no players worse then me are above me. Some players below me may be better at some aspects of the game though, looking at the names.
Thoughts on it overall?
Rizare
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada592 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-26 23:20:29
January 26 2014 23:14 GMT
#4811
Welp, my rank jumped from 37-38k to 29k. I still have a long way to go.

Edit: Weird, I remember my accuracy being 91-92% and now it's 95%. I don't know why that change happened.
DarthXX
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia998 Posts
January 27 2014 03:54 GMT
#4812
yea my rank went from ~35k -> 23k and my acc is up from 92% to 94.81%
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
January 27 2014 05:27 GMT
#4813
I don't know what calculation system osu!mania is using, but I went from about 900 to 125.

My osu rank didn't change all that much, but I hadn't really been paying attention to it. Maybe dropped a bit from ~3000 to 4046.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-27 10:15:45
January 27 2014 08:16 GMT
#4814
I went ~17k to ~12k (rank 150 uk)

Why such drop in ranks? My first impression was that it was a more accurate approximation in skill (since i saw a lot of people similar or lower rank than me who were far worse in a few or many areas) but i have a friend who was like rank 30k (and only because he farmed easy maps with mods etc) who can't handle streams, higher bpm or ar10 really at all (he plays with mouseclicks), yet he's rank ~12k too now

He has 410 S-ranks to my 43 - but they're on like nomod hard difficulties. AFAIK I'm a far superior player in every way, and we both have a large amount of scores ranked.


Top 100 uk is currently ~2152pp, i'm at 150 and ~1888, guess i can fight for it!



Did this while warming up, still a bit funny with ar10 but crazy jumps on this map




NEED MOAR MOUSE SKILL
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Xafnia
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada874 Posts
January 27 2014 22:57 GMT
#4815
[image loading]

So close
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-28 21:47:10
January 28 2014 21:20 GMT
#4816
Got another score i thought worth putting on youtube (as it was a global top 50 score):
Screenshot: + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]




I don't really know why it was a rank that high, as the od was only 6, and there weren't any difficult jumps either. I messed up the rythm quite badly as well (although it had no effect on the score, due to od 6)
But still, pretty nice.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 05:00:53
January 29 2014 03:48 GMT
#4817
That is impressive! Especially just holding a combo for that long. I have a specific bookmarks for maps longer than a few mins to practice longer fc's, you need a certain level of comfort to be able to not make a stupid mistake for that long (4 mins++)

Looks like a good map for practicing doubles. I might mod it, i've been changing stuff around recently, modded a few things (like last vid i put up) to ar10, usually using two notches from the right on circle size, and od8 (though experimenting with od9-10, lower AR and different AR on some maps)

Hows mouse sens adjustment?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
January 29 2014 13:49 GMT
#4818
On January 29 2014 12:48 Cyro wrote:
That is impressive! Especially just holding a combo for that long. I have a specific bookmarks for maps longer than a few mins to practice longer fc's, you need a certain level of comfort to be able to not make a stupid mistake for that long (4 mins++)

Looks like a good map for practicing doubles. I might mod it, i've been changing stuff around recently, modded a few things (like last vid i put up) to ar10, usually using two notches from the right on circle size, and od8 (though experimenting with od9-10, lower AR and different AR on some maps)

Hows mouse sens adjustment?
Yeah, the doubles are somewhat annoying. First time i played the map, i missed the second time the doubles appeared, killing 900 combo TT.

Changing stuff is pretty nice. Most of the time i edit into od 10 (at ar 8 maps), or edit into ar 6/7 with od 8 or so. It actually is very fun to play for example this song at ar 6 or so with smaller circles and od 10. You really have to know what you're doing to score even decently. I don't think the map makes much sense, but it's good training.

Mouse sens is coming along great. I'm still having some issues with alot of larger jumps together. Somehow i lose control of where my cursor exactly is after a few large jumps. Also, i'm still using my hand too much, instead of my arm, resulting in my mouse sometimes nearly falling off of my mouse pad. :')
But it's getting better. Speed is increasing. I've noticed significant increases in small space accuracy, so that's definitely a good thing.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
January 29 2014 16:24 GMT
#4819
Do you guys just use the left mouse click for everything, or do you need to have 2 buttons for the really fast parts? I never got very good at osu, but I noticed that I couldn't actually do the fast parts with just the left mouse button, so I'm curious what you use if you don't use just that.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
January 29 2014 16:34 GMT
#4820
On January 30 2014 01:24 hunts wrote:
Do you guys just use the left mouse click for everything, or do you need to have 2 buttons for the really fast parts? I never got very good at osu, but I noticed that I couldn't actually do the fast parts with just the left mouse button, so I'm curious what you use if you don't use just that.

I don't the mouse for clicking at all. I use the keyboard. Faster parts are alternated z/x and slower parts z only.
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