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TomatoShark
Profile Joined August 2011
United States288 Posts
August 22 2011 05:10 GMT
#14901
Well you can bore your self to death and mine 999999 veldspar Or you can kill people and sell Modules worth about 5 hours of mining .
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
August 22 2011 06:15 GMT
#14902
On August 22 2011 09:28 Kwidowmaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 05:59 KwarK wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:52 redtooth wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:20 Kwidowmaker wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:03 KwarK wrote:
On August 21 2011 15:05 redtooth wrote:
On August 21 2011 15:00 TerraTron wrote:
Do we have any people in the corp who are manly miners? I'm trying to make ISK but can't do what most of the TL corp appears to do (contract snipe). Or does everyone have insane money flowing in from missioning?
We have a Hatchery logistics branch that conducts corp mining operations. If this branch was attacked or disrupted in any manner by enemies, our income flow would be severely disrupted and we would have to rely on our ammo-trading CEO to financially bail us out. This is why the best way to fight Hatchery is to send frequent raids into our systems, attack our supplies, miners etc.

For a while we bought ships to replace our losses with the money taken from the wrecks of our enemies but those ships can cost isk. If you mine the minerals yourself and make the ships with your own blueprints then they don't cost anything which is therefore cheaper.


Is this some KwarK sarcasm? Not only does mining have startup and opportunity costs, it also drains your soul of life
It's not. This is very detailed and accurate intel on Hatchery. Well at least according to what was said by the best learning corporation in the game.

Also, FB you got out-mach'd

If you buy a ship it costs isk. If you make a ship it doesn't. You can't explain that.
Yes it doesn't cost you much isk but you lose isk in other ways. Time spent training mining skills is time not spent training skills that are more profitable or fun. The time you spend mining is time that could have been spent doing more profitable or fun things. I realise that as EVE players it's not like we put a high value on our time but come on this is simple economic theory

-e- also how could you ever advise anyone to mine
you're terrible. learn some of the basics of eve before you make a post like this again.

imagine a market economy where people are reasonable and buy products at reasonable prices. now imagine that instead of a central authority printing money and controlling its flow, that you are able to legally print money yourself. that is what mining is. as kwark so clearly laid out, minerals basically = isk and mining is basically printing money. l2p please.
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Kwidowmaker
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada978 Posts
August 22 2011 06:23 GMT
#14903
On August 22 2011 15:15 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 09:28 Kwidowmaker wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:59 KwarK wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:52 redtooth wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:20 Kwidowmaker wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:03 KwarK wrote:
On August 21 2011 15:05 redtooth wrote:
On August 21 2011 15:00 TerraTron wrote:
Do we have any people in the corp who are manly miners? I'm trying to make ISK but can't do what most of the TL corp appears to do (contract snipe). Or does everyone have insane money flowing in from missioning?
We have a Hatchery logistics branch that conducts corp mining operations. If this branch was attacked or disrupted in any manner by enemies, our income flow would be severely disrupted and we would have to rely on our ammo-trading CEO to financially bail us out. This is why the best way to fight Hatchery is to send frequent raids into our systems, attack our supplies, miners etc.

For a while we bought ships to replace our losses with the money taken from the wrecks of our enemies but those ships can cost isk. If you mine the minerals yourself and make the ships with your own blueprints then they don't cost anything which is therefore cheaper.


Is this some KwarK sarcasm? Not only does mining have startup and opportunity costs, it also drains your soul of life
It's not. This is very detailed and accurate intel on Hatchery. Well at least according to what was said by the best learning corporation in the game.

Also, FB you got out-mach'd

If you buy a ship it costs isk. If you make a ship it doesn't. You can't explain that.
Yes it doesn't cost you much isk but you lose isk in other ways. Time spent training mining skills is time not spent training skills that are more profitable or fun. The time you spend mining is time that could have been spent doing more profitable or fun things. I realise that as EVE players it's not like we put a high value on our time but come on this is simple economic theory

-e- also how could you ever advise anyone to mine
you're terrible. learn some of the basics of eve before you make a post like this again.

imagine a market economy where people are reasonable and buy products at reasonable prices. now imagine that instead of a central authority printing money and controlling its flow, that you are able to legally print money yourself. that is what mining is. as kwark so clearly laid out, minerals basically = isk and mining is basically printing money. l2p please.


Do you think missions let you legally print money?
Kk.
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19135 Posts
August 22 2011 06:30 GMT
#14904
On August 22 2011 05:37 tofucake wrote:
Incursions are easy money.

http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10475211

Keke ^_^;;

Btw Rorqual wut?xD
ModeratorFor remember, that in the end, some are born to live, others born to die. I belong to those last, born to burn, born to cry. For I shall remain alone... forsaken.
Cheesedawg
Profile Joined November 2010
United States182 Posts
August 22 2011 06:52 GMT
#14905
Oh god, looking at some of the sanshas killmails is hilarious:
http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10079616

http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10468306

http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10305882

http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10463107
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 12:09:23
August 22 2011 07:41 GMT
#14906
Hemin: Blobbity McFalcontyBlab

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Curse/Doril#kills24

Right outside of our "home" of Sendaya lies Trolltown aka Doril. Four systems make up the "Doril Diamond" - Utopia, Jorund, Hemin, and Doril (obviously). A relatively large amount of action goes on in just this small diamond.

Most of our action happens in Trolltown, but we've ventured to Jorund and Utopia which are both either completely empty or occupied by a large-ish alliance presence depending on the time of day. Jorund, in particular, is often the home of capital-trolling station games and gatecamps (ala http://ptsc.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10344149). One place that we didn't have much to go on until recently is Hemin.

Hemin is an interesting system geographically. Firstly, it's the entrance into the Curse Corridor that goes from Hemin to VOL- which is the most heavily trafficked system in Curse by far. Secondly, it's next to both Jorund and Utopia which, as I said, have significant alliance presences. Fortunately for the inhabitants of Hemin, they have a significant presence there themselves.

Our past experience there has apparently been in off-times where we have lone Hurricanes and Myrmidons wanting to 1v1 our frigates. This should have been an indication, but it just didn't register with us. There is a gate (the RMOC gate) that is about 50 AU or so off the closest celestial in system. This is an obvious gatecamp opportunity for people that are too retarded to put 2 and 2 together (ala http://ptsc.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10308067).

--------------------------

Emdar and I happened to be available for Eve at an off-time for both of us one day (and oh boy was it an off time). So we went into Doril to see what was up. It just so happens that Bagarai was in a very expensive clone (why? probably just stupidity, really), so our excursion was appropriately named Operation Don't Lose Mah Pod. So we jump into Hemin and there are about 30 or so local. Right. We troll around the system a bit and eventually decide the fish are too big for us there (Rapiers, Cynabals, Zealots etc.).

As I jump out of the system, Emdar reports a Dramiel that just landed on the gate - and it aggresses him. He decides that if I jump through and kill this Dram, it's worth the risk of losing his ship. I burn back to gate and jump through ASAP. And that's when it all goes wrong. As I jump in and lock the Dramiel we have landing on grid:

Cynabal
Hurricane
Sabre
Falcon decloaking
various other shit, I stopped paying attention and

I bravely GTFO and leave Emdar to his unpleasant fate ( http://ptsc.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10374736). What happens next is pretty much unimagineably fail.

+ Show Spoiler [Dat Chat Log] +

Bagarai Predador > MY POD LIVES
Thosaurian > lol fail bubble
BSL > wolf catched not fail
DefMatrix Ultra > that's what a point is for, sir, not a bubble


The Sabre pilot waits until the (scrammed-webbed) Wolf dies to drop the bubble - as the pod is warping out.

+ Show Spoiler [Artist's Impression] +

[image loading]
Wolf catched - not fail!


The Aftermath

We both dock up in system and decide that fail-op is fail and log off. A few hours later, I log in to find out the situation and to move back to Sendaya. There are roughly 70 local, but I have gate safes so I'm not too concerned. In hindsight, undocking was a mistake because on grid were

About a dozen Thanatos
various Absolutions and Damnations
roughly 1.5 billionty Hurricanes
2 Lachesis
Rapier
6 (lol) Falcons

Fortunately, they were either uninterested in me or totally shit and I got out and warped around to each gate. There was a small "camp" on each gate consisting of Dramiel, Sabre, and some T1 Cruisers. On every single gate they decloaked a Falcon as I landed on grid. The gates were all bubbled + properly camped so I planned to just troll my way out (standard Curse methodology). I warped back to a gate I had previously been to, Falcon decloaked and cloaked back up when he realized I wasn't in range (so smrt). I burned around like I was gonna fight the Dramiel and ended up warping to the gate once I had trolled everyone sufficiently off it.

----------------

Not too long after that, Weken takes an absolute abortion of a Dramiel into Hemin with expectedly fantastic results ( http://ptsc.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10391343). Notice these aren't even SEDITION or blues of them - these guys and SEDITION constantly fight over Hemin.

Speaking of SEDITION, I had a Malediction hanging around on a gate in Doril (trollolol) and a 5-man gang in local with him. I burned off gate, knowing that I am significantly slower than him and that he will get scram and web on me easily. I start shooting at him as he catches up to me, and he suddenly turns tail, overheats and warps off... That kind of thing gets on my nerves, and I've lately been harshly BMing people in local in order to get more fights rather than more blueballing.

+ Show Spoiler [Dat Chag Log] +

DefMatrix Ultra > come on
DefMatrix Ultra > tackle me for your gang
DefMatrix Ultra > fail tackle
DefMatrix Ultra > your malediction got in shield
DefMatrix Ultra > and ran away
DefMatrix Ultra > wat
DefMatrix Ultra > well gf
DefMatrix Ultra > i guess



Welcome to the Red Square
We were itching for a fight one day, and Doril was just empty. Solution: go straight to Blobville.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Catch/HED-GP#kills24

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Providence/T-RPFU#kills24

HED is our little EC- in the south. It's right next to hi-sec and is one of the most fought-over systems in the area. T-R is a couple of jumps away and has Russians, who are always entertaining if nothing else. Me (Slicer), Emdar (Slicer), and Weken (Cruor) made our way to T-R. Thankfully there were about 100 local when we got there. There was a lone brave Crusader that trolled us around a bit and finally warped to the station. It then proceeded to sit on the station at 0 waiting for us to attack it.

Obviously we attacked it. Suddenly Proteus. We burn/warp off and get back into a reasonable position. We decide it's best not to aggress the guy at 0 on his station with 100 in local and like 7 people in space (including, of course, Erebus and a few Nyxes). To get the brave Malediction to tackle us, we had to resort to Speshul Taktikz.

+ Show Spoiler [Dat Chat Log] +

KUZEN1972 > ЫЫ
KUZEN1972 > 0
DefMatrix Ultra > POCCNR
DefMatrix Ultra > внимание (*)
Bagarai Predador > http://i.imgur.com/1eEh9.png

(*) this basically means "you should be careful" or in a more disrespectful way "u scared?"
POCCNR is a bastardization using English characters of the Russian for "Russia"


Our plan was successful, and the Malediction started burning for us. We had previously made a mistake when fighting stuff (on this very station, actually) by letting tackle get >150km from the station to give everyone warpins. We corrected that this time, but didn't account for stuff warping in from the other side of the system.

I bravely burned straight for the Malediction and was scrammed-webbed immediately (with Emdar and Weken close behind). Suddenly, grid starts exploding with stuff undocking from the station and soon after, stuff warping in from elsewhere in the system. A bunch of Drakes and 3 Scimis land, in addition to some Sabres and other junk. The Malediction's bravery wanes and he runs away, even while his shields are bumping up to full (rofl). He bravely gets out of scram range and I warp off and immediately gf local. Obviously, Emdar and Weken got out OK as well.

Trolling successful.

But we're still bored and want to make mails. So we decide to go through CVA space while we're in Providence. Long story short, we find a Dramiel who Emdar gets a fight with easily but who just keeps running away from him as his tank breaks. We decide to blab it to keep point so Emdar can claim his rightful kill. The guy calls us pussies. A Dramiel pilot calls us pussies after he runs away from a Slicer. Suck a dick, dude. My dick.

Emdar burned out his MWD so we end the adventures without a mail sadly -__-.

Later that day, Weken finds the same guy in Doril in a Dram again. He gets blabbed and owned ( http://ptsc.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10405815). Fucking Dramiels.

------------------

Despite frequent warnings about Hemin, this happens ( http://ptsc.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10403980). That is all.


The Bravedini Chronicles

Mandini has recently transformed into Bravedini and has contributed to proper killmails like this one ( http://ptsc.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10394293). Pretty fucking brave, if you ask me.

Mandini also bossed this fucker around ( http://ptsc.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10394534) at 0 on a warp bubble, even though the guy was bait for a Falcon, Thorax, Cerberus and other shit in the same alliance. In addition, the troll gang was active in Doril so this happened ( http://ptsc.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10394522). Unrivaled bravery.

When the troll gang was active with a Keres + Kitsune, Bravedini bravely followed my orders to aggress it so we could get a glorious Kitsune mail. Unfortunately, Kitsunes are really fucking good against numbers less than 3, so we got this ( http://ptsc.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10394619) instead. There is a Keres desperately pointing and TDing my Slicer that isn't on this mail.

+ Show Spoiler [Dat Chat Log] +

Putrudius > def, when i learn how to kite, i hope i'm half as good as u. and i aint trollin.

You actually literally have to disclaimer everything you say like this in Trolltown. It's in the handbook.


On The Mechanics of Overheating

Mandini is trolling around with me in Doril, and no one wants to play. So we naturally go to the station to play station games. And by station games I mean kill all of Initiative Mercenaries' bubbles because fuck those guys. A lone Ranis warps to the station and hugs it like it's his teddy. I go in, fire on shot and turn off my guns. The guy docks. Standard. He was going like <1k/s and he's a SEDITION faggot so I called him out in local.

+ Show Spoiler [Dat Chat Log] +

DefMatrix Ultra > maybe fit a MWD
DefMatrix Ultra > and you can do something
Alabugin > yeah


He wasn't offended enough imo, but I'll get back to that later because: suddenly Troll Gang. Trolly McTrollerton returns in his Ranis to have a go at me. We fight a few times off the station while Mandini and a cloaked Blackbird watch. Each time, I get him really low and he runs off (he's a bit faster than I am) and docks. Props to him for actually being one of the few people willing to fight, though.

I burned out my MWD desperately trying to kill him that last time so I warped off and docked back in station. I figured I'd meet him on the undock and he'd actually go for broke this time since I started so close. Mandini confirmed that he was, in fact, sitting on the undock so I went for it.

I undock and he's about 15k from me, so I think "perfect, I'll just overheat MWD away from him and we'll go at it". Except for one thing that I missed. I forgot to online my MWD before I docked. Derp. I switched immediately to Multifrequency, overheated, and prayed to the laser gods for Gallente blood. And they delivered ( http://ptsc.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10475042). Turns out that Slicers do beastly fucking damage at close-range.

+ Show Spoiler [Dat Chat Log continued...] +

DefMatrix Ultra > gf (first fight with Teleria)
DefMatrix Ultra > gf (second fight)
DefMatrix Ultra > that ship is pretty fast
Teleria Valthis > not fast enough apparently
Alabugin > lol
Alabugin > you guys are so fake its hilarious
Alabugin > U talk to your alt often Def?
DefMatrix Ultra > gf
Teleria Valthis > gf
DefMatrix Ultra > i just killed my alt
DefMatrix Ultra > if that's what you mean
DefMatrix Ultra > maybe besides getting an MWD, you could also join an alliance that's not shit
DefMatrix Ultra > and learn the region etc.
DefMatrix Ultra > the locals
Alabugin > ok
Alabugin > yeah
Alabugin > ur right
DefMatrix Ultra > also learn to fight instead of cower on stations
Alabugin > i choose my fights
Alabugin > im not gonna just burn towards you
Alabugin > and let u kite me
Alabugin > your faster than me even with MWD
DefMatrix Ultra > in a taranis?
DefMatrix Ultra > no i'm not
DefMatrix Ultra > you've gotta be joking
DefMatrix Ultra > i undocked with my MWD offline just now
DefMatrix Ultra > and fought a ranis
DefMatrix Ultra > because i'm a retard
Teleria Valthis > and still kicked my ass


After that, I fought this Ishkur on a station at 0. Once he discovered that I 2-shot drones, he deagressed and docked. He was a good sport, though. Not a Falcon in sight.

/edit - the tags fucked up (or I did) and I cba to figure it out right now

/editedit - fixed
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42778 Posts
August 22 2011 13:05 GMT
#14907
On August 22 2011 15:23 Kwidowmaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 15:15 redtooth wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:28 Kwidowmaker wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:59 KwarK wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:52 redtooth wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:20 Kwidowmaker wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:03 KwarK wrote:
On August 21 2011 15:05 redtooth wrote:
On August 21 2011 15:00 TerraTron wrote:
Do we have any people in the corp who are manly miners? I'm trying to make ISK but can't do what most of the TL corp appears to do (contract snipe). Or does everyone have insane money flowing in from missioning?
We have a Hatchery logistics branch that conducts corp mining operations. If this branch was attacked or disrupted in any manner by enemies, our income flow would be severely disrupted and we would have to rely on our ammo-trading CEO to financially bail us out. This is why the best way to fight Hatchery is to send frequent raids into our systems, attack our supplies, miners etc.

For a while we bought ships to replace our losses with the money taken from the wrecks of our enemies but those ships can cost isk. If you mine the minerals yourself and make the ships with your own blueprints then they don't cost anything which is therefore cheaper.


Is this some KwarK sarcasm? Not only does mining have startup and opportunity costs, it also drains your soul of life
It's not. This is very detailed and accurate intel on Hatchery. Well at least according to what was said by the best learning corporation in the game.

Also, FB you got out-mach'd

If you buy a ship it costs isk. If you make a ship it doesn't. You can't explain that.
Yes it doesn't cost you much isk but you lose isk in other ways. Time spent training mining skills is time not spent training skills that are more profitable or fun. The time you spend mining is time that could have been spent doing more profitable or fun things. I realise that as EVE players it's not like we put a high value on our time but come on this is simple economic theory

-e- also how could you ever advise anyone to mine
you're terrible. learn some of the basics of eve before you make a post like this again.

imagine a market economy where people are reasonable and buy products at reasonable prices. now imagine that instead of a central authority printing money and controlling its flow, that you are able to legally print money yourself. that is what mining is. as kwark so clearly laid out, minerals basically = isk and mining is basically printing money. l2p please.


Do you think missions let you legally print money?

You have to fire missiles and accept stuff and go places. Missions is like work.
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Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19135 Posts
August 22 2011 13:05 GMT
#14908
Good read, cheers xD.
ModeratorFor remember, that in the end, some are born to live, others born to die. I belong to those last, born to burn, born to cry. For I shall remain alone... forsaken.
NathanEO
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany254 Posts
August 22 2011 13:10 GMT
#14909
Nice read DefMatrix, THX!
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
August 22 2011 15:00 GMT
#14910
Anyway due to popular demand I have removed my blitzing guide from the eve forums. Gonna leave the video up and the version on the eve uni wiki though.
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 16:17:38
August 22 2011 15:06 GMT
#14911
Time to do this then. Battle report of yesterdays intel/operation in null sec being written up!

Battle Report

Saranen Hatch members tend to be too concerned with their iskies, so when the call went out for a null sec roam and no one answered, I decided to go it alone.

I hit up the good ole dotlan map of Pure blind and sort by NPC ships killed to see where I can find some action (some people like to look for ships/pods but that just shows me where I'm probably going to die to a gate camp, not that it will stop me from going there, but it's not a priority).

First destination: CR-AQH 3j into null.
I land in the system, taunt the locals a bit, but the only person to bite is a drake. No thank you, I'll fight just about anybody, but I've got to be at least able to break your passive tank.

Next destination: EL8-4Q 9j into null.
I run into a spot of trouble in WW-KGD due to a couple canes who try to kill a frig without webs (what?) but I manage to burn my AB to the gate and I'm safely on my way. I arrive and start jumping around the belts looting all the wrecks, about 1min in my name is linked in local and I'm asked what the hell I think I'm doing. I say, "New to the game, just trying to make some money". Being the nice people they are, they begin to teach me the ways of null sec (seriously, I'm not talking about a fight here, they start listing rules to follow and shit). So I'm like, what will get a rise out of these guys? "I'm in a rifter, so if someone lands on me I can just warp out because they can't lock me in time." Local erupts in lols and I'm going, oh yeah that will make someone undock something. No beans, so I'm warping around and I finally catch up to the ratter who's in a FUCKING ISHTAR. Nope, peace. I leave system because I'm a bitch who values my rifter too much.

Final destination (hurr hurr): DP-1YE 15j into null, but only 8j from sara.
I jump into system and there are 8 local, including me. I'm doin me, landing on sun/planets and dscanning and I shit you not, dscan shows hulk/hulk/osprey/osprey/rorqual. I'm like a fuckin pit bull in that I'll attack just about anything, but it's nice to know what to do. I warp to the belt at 100 because noob life and I don't consider the possibility of them maybe thinking I'm there to kill them. They're mining... all of them. Check 360 dscan, nothing that hasn't been there already. At this point I'm crying in GA, someone, anyone please come help me take these people's money! No one answers the call. So I do what any noob pilot does, warp to sun and request in GA "about to land on belt at 0, please advise". Finally I get some help in the form of, kill the hulk he has 5k EHP. So, I primary the hulk and very shortly find a drake landing on grid with me, I dip mode out in 80% armor. So in local I type ((I've been paraphrasing up until this point, this is direct quote))

Risen Fem > gf
Risen Fem > Sorry about hurting you, I'm just bored and wanted to do something :<

They reply and say that I should do some of the anoms in system. What?! I just shot you, made you call in a drake, and now you're helping me?

SYNCJesus > Why don't you go do stuff with your corp?
Risen Fem > They're a bunch of pirates and our leader is a total dick

gotta hold to the truth as much as possible if I'm going to hold to this deception

SYNCJesus > You wanna join our corp? We do pvp, mining, anoms, plexes, whatever you want.
Long conversation entailing where I need to go to apply, and how they'll help me right off the bat!
Risen Fem > Sure, but can my friend join with me?
SYNCJesus > Sure. Link?
Not joking, I linked a random person from my contacts, didn't even think about it.
SYNCJesus > You're not even in the same corp?
Risen Fem > Oh, I got accepted to the Hatch and he didn't lol! :<
Whole bunch of nonsense talk while I warp around the anoms and start crying in local about how hard it is, and OMG these things hit for so hard!

Now we need to go back to my conversation in Ghost Academy these past 15 minutes. "Wtf people, someone come out here and help me kill this stuff. They have a drake defending them, it's me in local +6 of them, 5 are miners." Someone asks me if I'm on comms, NO, DIDNT THINK IT WOULD BE NECESSARY WITH THE AMOUNT OF ESTROGEN COMING THROUGH GA CHAT. But I get on comms anyways, because even without a mic I'd like to hear the cowardice in my own corp members voices when they explain to me that 8j into null through empty space is too dangerous to risk for a fleet of hulk/hulk/osprey/osprey/drake/rorqual.

I grudgingly get on comms, and then I hear someone's beautiful voice. "Hey Risen, can you link location? I'm coming ot save you, I'm bringing exotic dancers too." Maybe it was typed, maybe it was said over comms, I can't remember much from that time... I was in a state of euphoria that someone would actually want to pvp. I'm actually pretty sure it was two people, but in my head it's one person. Regardless, our heroes of the night were the esteemed Karah Serrigan and the valiant Orandos. While all my chatter in local was going on, these two were fitting anything they had with whatever they could find (because lets move to Saranen, land of jack shit). Karah is forced to come in what can only be described as possibly the second manliest ship to have in a fleet (behind the rifter, of course)... a Caracal. In his own words the fighter is a frigate with a cruiser hull. Whatever man, haters gonna hate, u gotta sk8. Orandos has a fitted drake on hand, so there's our touch of imba to mix with our manly.

Like new lovers our fleet awkwardly forms shape, and we find ourselves with me warping to the belt, them jumping into system. The call goes out "Warp to me on 0" and what ensues can only be described as a time of laughter. As they're in warp unholy hell breaks loose and I'm dropped almost to nothing faster than my prom date. Someone says GET OUT RISEN, YOU'VE DONE ALL YOU CAN! WE'LL TAKE IT FROM HERE! So I warp off. I let my repper bring me back to full armor and I warp back in. During this time they've mobilized a pitiful fleet to try and repel us and Karah/Orandos have managed to waste the Osprey, and with hero points the hulk. This unfortunately means we've managed to lose point on the rorqual, osprey, and hulk who manage to escape. A drake and rifter land on grid, and as I'm back down into armor I activate dip mode because local is spiking. I immediately warp to the 3V8-LJ gate and jump out. I repeatedly ask in chat if everyone has made it out while I'm on my way to the R6XN-9 gate. I'm abandoning the OP, there's just too much to take on with our small fleet. That's when I hear it... the heartbreaking chatter over comms of a man left behind. Karah's mighty Caracal is fighting with everything it has, but it's dropping fast.

ABOUT FACE! Jesus fuck no, not the mighty Caracal! I'm in jump back to the gate Karah, just hold on. Don't go down like this! I jump through the gate just as I hear Karah begin to speak calmly to Orandos and I. He says it's been an honor, and given the chance he'd do it again. To keep fighting the good fight, and if his pod doesn't make it out, to let his clone know what happened. Through the static interference I hear Karah screaming murder. Orandos and I are with him the whole time as first his shields, and then his armor, are chipped away by what is now known to be his execution squad. It's a shame we lost that ship. It did good work for us. Thankfully, Karah's pod made it out and he's still with us fighting today. Bravest man I know, Karah is.

The killmaill
http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10472848

At this point, Orandos and I are now almost trapped in the system. He's warping to celestials making safes, and I'm just sitting at the one safe I have (taken from Orandos ty sir). We're finally able to mobilize a fleet, because while a rorqual could not bring the bear from his cave, the tale of Karah's heroic struggle has stirred his heart (or something, idk just roll with it). And much like the bear, once aroused roused from it's slumber it's almost impossible to stop. The mighty Kwark joins fleet and takes over the mobilization of forces. I don't feel I can writeup the following battle report with enough gusto to do it justiuce, I was just Risen Fem's Rifter out there on a battlefield of many. Some may say that the real battle was the second one, fought with links and proper command. I say they're wrong, the real fight was when we three went up against the many. Taking on the whole carebear corp with just a frigate, big frigate, and bigger frigate.

The second killmail for those who care about such things.
http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10473169

Warning. Some moments of this epic struggle may be embellished. Quotes are used liberally, and without journalistic integrity. Next up, a pseudo-psychologist's look into the mind of a spai, and it's effects on him/those around him.
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Mandini
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1717 Posts
August 22 2011 19:02 GMT
#14912
Super long BRs O.o

On another note, having no implants in null is such a great feeling.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
August 22 2011 20:04 GMT
#14913
On August 22 2011 15:23 Kwidowmaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 15:15 redtooth wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:28 Kwidowmaker wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:59 KwarK wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:52 redtooth wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:20 Kwidowmaker wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:03 KwarK wrote:
On August 21 2011 15:05 redtooth wrote:
On August 21 2011 15:00 TerraTron wrote:
Do we have any people in the corp who are manly miners? I'm trying to make ISK but can't do what most of the TL corp appears to do (contract snipe). Or does everyone have insane money flowing in from missioning?
We have a Hatchery logistics branch that conducts corp mining operations. If this branch was attacked or disrupted in any manner by enemies, our income flow would be severely disrupted and we would have to rely on our ammo-trading CEO to financially bail us out. This is why the best way to fight Hatchery is to send frequent raids into our systems, attack our supplies, miners etc.

For a while we bought ships to replace our losses with the money taken from the wrecks of our enemies but those ships can cost isk. If you mine the minerals yourself and make the ships with your own blueprints then they don't cost anything which is therefore cheaper.


Is this some KwarK sarcasm? Not only does mining have startup and opportunity costs, it also drains your soul of life
It's not. This is very detailed and accurate intel on Hatchery. Well at least according to what was said by the best learning corporation in the game.

Also, FB you got out-mach'd

If you buy a ship it costs isk. If you make a ship it doesn't. You can't explain that.
Yes it doesn't cost you much isk but you lose isk in other ways. Time spent training mining skills is time not spent training skills that are more profitable or fun. The time you spend mining is time that could have been spent doing more profitable or fun things. I realise that as EVE players it's not like we put a high value on our time but come on this is simple economic theory

-e- also how could you ever advise anyone to mine
you're terrible. learn some of the basics of eve before you make a post like this again.

imagine a market economy where people are reasonable and buy products at reasonable prices. now imagine that instead of a central authority printing money and controlling its flow, that you are able to legally print money yourself. that is what mining is. as kwark so clearly laid out, minerals basically = isk and mining is basically printing money. l2p please.
Do you think missions let you legally print money?
Do you think waking up in the morning, getting out of bed, washing up, commuting to work, doing your job, and getting paid at the end of the day is "printing money"? Just where do you get your analogies from?
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
August 22 2011 20:10 GMT
#14914
I can't tell who's trolling who anymore
Moderator
Kwidowmaker
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada978 Posts
August 22 2011 21:12 GMT
#14915
On August 23 2011 05:10 Firebolt145 wrote:
I can't tell who's trolling who anymore


I don't even know man it's all so confusing
Kk.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42778 Posts
August 22 2011 21:27 GMT
#14916
On August 23 2011 05:04 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 15:23 Kwidowmaker wrote:
On August 22 2011 15:15 redtooth wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:28 Kwidowmaker wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:59 KwarK wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:52 redtooth wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:20 Kwidowmaker wrote:
On August 22 2011 05:03 KwarK wrote:
On August 21 2011 15:05 redtooth wrote:
On August 21 2011 15:00 TerraTron wrote:
Do we have any people in the corp who are manly miners? I'm trying to make ISK but can't do what most of the TL corp appears to do (contract snipe). Or does everyone have insane money flowing in from missioning?
We have a Hatchery logistics branch that conducts corp mining operations. If this branch was attacked or disrupted in any manner by enemies, our income flow would be severely disrupted and we would have to rely on our ammo-trading CEO to financially bail us out. This is why the best way to fight Hatchery is to send frequent raids into our systems, attack our supplies, miners etc.

For a while we bought ships to replace our losses with the money taken from the wrecks of our enemies but those ships can cost isk. If you mine the minerals yourself and make the ships with your own blueprints then they don't cost anything which is therefore cheaper.


Is this some KwarK sarcasm? Not only does mining have startup and opportunity costs, it also drains your soul of life
It's not. This is very detailed and accurate intel on Hatchery. Well at least according to what was said by the best learning corporation in the game.

Also, FB you got out-mach'd

If you buy a ship it costs isk. If you make a ship it doesn't. You can't explain that.
Yes it doesn't cost you much isk but you lose isk in other ways. Time spent training mining skills is time not spent training skills that are more profitable or fun. The time you spend mining is time that could have been spent doing more profitable or fun things. I realise that as EVE players it's not like we put a high value on our time but come on this is simple economic theory

-e- also how could you ever advise anyone to mine
you're terrible. learn some of the basics of eve before you make a post like this again.

imagine a market economy where people are reasonable and buy products at reasonable prices. now imagine that instead of a central authority printing money and controlling its flow, that you are able to legally print money yourself. that is what mining is. as kwark so clearly laid out, minerals basically = isk and mining is basically printing money. l2p please.
Do you think missions let you legally print money?
Do you think waking up in the morning, getting out of bed, washing up, commuting to work, doing your job, and getting paid at the end of the day is "printing money"? Just where do you get your analogies from?

Exactly. When you're mining minerals (which we've already proved are the same as money) just appear in your cargo, just like printing money. When you're working you have to go and do your job, just like working. It's not comparable.
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DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
August 22 2011 22:08 GMT
#14917
Also, you can make mining even better by using them to manufacture things yourself. If you make them for yourself, you dont really need any manufacturing skills, just industry 1, and now you have free ships.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 22 2011 22:15 GMT
#14918
Can someone pm me the passwords for the eve teamspeak channel[s] ?
Invol2ver
Profile Joined September 2010
United States330 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 22:29:58
August 22 2011 22:29 GMT
#14919
On August 23 2011 00:06 Risen wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Time to do this then. Battle report of yesterdays intel/operation in null sec being written up!

Battle Report

Saranen Hatch members tend to be too concerned with their iskies, so when the call went out for a null sec roam and no one answered, I decided to go it alone.

I hit up the good ole dotlan map of Pure blind and sort by NPC ships killed to see where I can find some action (some people like to look for ships/pods but that just shows me where I'm probably going to die to a gate camp, not that it will stop me from going there, but it's not a priority).

First destination: CR-AQH 3j into null.
I land in the system, taunt the locals a bit, but the only person to bite is a drake. No thank you, I'll fight just about anybody, but I've got to be at least able to break your passive tank.

Next destination: EL8-4Q 9j into null.
I run into a spot of trouble in WW-KGD due to a couple canes who try to kill a frig without webs (what?) but I manage to burn my AB to the gate and I'm safely on my way. I arrive and start jumping around the belts looting all the wrecks, about 1min in my name is linked in local and I'm asked what the hell I think I'm doing. I say, "New to the game, just trying to make some money". Being the nice people they are, they begin to teach me the ways of null sec (seriously, I'm not talking about a fight here, they start listing rules to follow and shit). So I'm like, what will get a rise out of these guys? "I'm in a rifter, so if someone lands on me I can just warp out because they can't lock me in time." Local erupts in lols and I'm going, oh yeah that will make someone undock something. No beans, so I'm warping around and I finally catch up to the ratter who's in a FUCKING ISHTAR. Nope, peace. I leave system because I'm a bitch who values my rifter too much.

Final destination (hurr hurr): DP-1YE 15j into null, but only 8j from sara.
I jump into system and there are 8 local, including me. I'm doin me, landing on sun/planets and dscanning and I shit you not, dscan shows hulk/hulk/osprey/osprey/rorqual. I'm like a fuckin pit bull in that I'll attack just about anything, but it's nice to know what to do. I warp to the belt at 100 because noob life and I don't consider the possibility of them maybe thinking I'm there to kill them. They're mining... all of them. Check 360 dscan, nothing that hasn't been there already. At this point I'm crying in GA, someone, anyone please come help me take these people's money! No one answers the call. So I do what any noob pilot does, warp to sun and request in GA "about to land on belt at 0, please advise". Finally I get some help in the form of, kill the hulk he has 5k EHP. So, I primary the hulk and very shortly find a drake landing on grid with me, I dip mode out in 80% armor. So in local I type ((I've been paraphrasing up until this point, this is direct quote))

Risen Fem > gf
Risen Fem > Sorry about hurting you, I'm just bored and wanted to do something :<

They reply and say that I should do some of the anoms in system. What?! I just shot you, made you call in a drake, and now you're helping me?

SYNCJesus > Why don't you go do stuff with your corp?
Risen Fem > They're a bunch of pirates and our leader is a total dick

gotta hold to the truth as much as possible if I'm going to hold to this deception

SYNCJesus > You wanna join our corp? We do pvp, mining, anoms, plexes, whatever you want.
Long conversation entailing where I need to go to apply, and how they'll help me right off the bat!
Risen Fem > Sure, but can my friend join with me?
SYNCJesus > Sure. Link?
Not joking, I linked a random person from my contacts, didn't even think about it.
SYNCJesus > You're not even in the same corp?
Risen Fem > Oh, I got accepted to the Hatch and he didn't lol! :<
Whole bunch of nonsense talk while I warp around the anoms and start crying in local about how hard it is, and OMG these things hit for so hard!

Now we need to go back to my conversation in Ghost Academy these past 15 minutes. "Wtf people, someone come out here and help me kill this stuff. They have a drake defending them, it's me in local +6 of them, 5 are miners." Someone asks me if I'm on comms, NO, DIDNT THINK IT WOULD BE NECESSARY WITH THE AMOUNT OF ESTROGEN COMING THROUGH GA CHAT. But I get on comms anyways, because even without a mic I'd like to hear the cowardice in my own corp members voices when they explain to me that 8j into null through empty space is too dangerous to risk for a fleet of hulk/hulk/osprey/osprey/drake/rorqual.

I grudgingly get on comms, and then I hear someone's beautiful voice. "Hey Risen, can you link location? I'm coming ot save you, I'm bringing exotic dancers too." Maybe it was typed, maybe it was said over comms, I can't remember much from that time... I was in a state of euphoria that someone would actually want to pvp. I'm actually pretty sure it was two people, but in my head it's one person. Regardless, our heroes of the night were the esteemed Karah Serrigan and the valiant Orandos. While all my chatter in local was going on, these two were fitting anything they had with whatever they could find (because lets move to Saranen, land of jack shit). Karah is forced to come in what can only be described as possibly the second manliest ship to have in a fleet (behind the rifter, of course)... a Caracal. In his own words the fighter is a frigate with a cruiser hull. Whatever man, haters gonna hate, u gotta sk8. Orandos has a fitted drake on hand, so there's our touch of imba to mix with our manly.

Like new lovers our fleet awkwardly forms shape, and we find ourselves with me warping to the belt, them jumping into system. The call goes out "Warp to me on 0" and what ensues can only be described as a time of laughter. As they're in warp unholy hell breaks loose and I'm dropped almost to nothing faster than my prom date. Someone says GET OUT RISEN, YOU'VE DONE ALL YOU CAN! WE'LL TAKE IT FROM HERE! So I warp off. I let my repper bring me back to full armor and I warp back in. During this time they've mobilized a pitiful fleet to try and repel us and Karah/Orandos have managed to waste the Osprey, and with hero points the hulk. This unfortunately means we've managed to lose point on the rorqual, osprey, and hulk who manage to escape. A drake and rifter land on grid, and as I'm back down into armor I activate dip mode because local is spiking. I immediately warp to the 3V8-LJ gate and jump out. I repeatedly ask in chat if everyone has made it out while I'm on my way to the R6XN-9 gate. I'm abandoning the OP, there's just too much to take on with our small fleet. That's when I hear it... the heartbreaking chatter over comms of a man left behind. Karah's mighty Caracal is fighting with everything it has, but it's dropping fast.

ABOUT FACE! Jesus fuck no, not the mighty Caracal! I'm in jump back to the gate Karah, just hold on. Don't go down like this! I jump through the gate just as I hear Karah begin to speak calmly to Orandos and I. He says it's been an honor, and given the chance he'd do it again. To keep fighting the good fight, and if his pod doesn't make it out, to let his clone know what happened. Through the static interference I hear Karah screaming murder. Orandos and I are with him the whole time as first his shields, and then his armor, are chipped away by what is now known to be his execution squad. It's a shame we lost that ship. It did good work for us. Thankfully, Karah's pod made it out and he's still with us fighting today. Bravest man I know, Karah is.

The killmaill
http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10472848

At this point, Orandos and I are now almost trapped in the system. He's warping to celestials making safes, and I'm just sitting at the one safe I have (taken from Orandos ty sir). We're finally able to mobilize a fleet, because while a rorqual could not bring the bear from his cave, the tale of Karah's heroic struggle has stirred his heart (or something, idk just roll with it). And much like the bear, once aroused roused from it's slumber it's almost impossible to stop. The mighty Kwark joins fleet and takes over the mobilization of forces. I don't feel I can writeup the following battle report with enough gusto to do it justiuce, I was just Risen Fem's Rifter out there on a battlefield of many. Some may say that the real battle was the second one, fought with links and proper command. I say they're wrong, the real fight was when we three went up against the many. Taking on the whole carebear corp with just a frigate, big frigate, and bigger frigate.

The second killmail for those who care about such things.
http://teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10473169

Warning. Some moments of this epic struggle may be embellished. Quotes are used liberally, and without journalistic integrity. Next up, a pseudo-psychologist's look into the mind of a spai, and it's effects on him/those around him.


I read the whole thing with an almighty grin. Well done sir.

5/5
Losing money is less good than making it, confirm?
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19059 Posts
August 22 2011 22:42 GMT
#14920
On August 23 2011 07:15 travis wrote:
Can someone pm me the passwords for the eve teamspeak channel[s] ?

The password is: 1 2 3 4 5

I remember because it's the same combination on my luggage.
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