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Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
I HATE CCP :D FML I'm trying to buy a PLEX code but apparently my office is behind some bullshit firewall and now my credit card is flagged so I'm sitting here waiting on a email response because "We don't do customer support over the phone". KMA CCP. If anyone knows were I could buy a PLEX code without a PayPal account or other restrictions besides having the actual credit card please let me know. | ||
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kuresuti
1393 Posts
They'll need to call you the first time to confirm though. | ||
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Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
I even talked to them on the phone but they said they needed the person with the name on the card and since it's an office card and the person who's name appears on it doesn't speak English I'm screwed. | ||
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kuresuti
1393 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
unfortunately for them they failed. If I see anything more than three tempests around the place I mission I always get suspicious. also PI STARTS TODAY | ||
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
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bN`
Slovenia504 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + *for systems with less than 200 people in them You will learn to love lag as much as it loves you : P | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 08 2010 22:18 bN` wrote: It does*! + Show Spoiler + *for systems with less than 200 people in them You will learn to love lag as much as it loves you : P I want to take this time to say how much CCP's attempt to fix mission load lag has completely failed. What they intended to do was force mission agents to make a mission runner go 1 to 3 jumps out to more unpopulated systems in order to reduce server load. What they didn't forsee (or maybe they did and they're just stupid) is that this caused a lot of level 4 agents within 2 jumps of lowsec to send mission runners to lowsec WAY more often than normal since lowsec is a god damn wasteland. Low sec, especially the border low sec is stupidly dangerous for mission runners. It's not exactly balanced that some guy can scan a mission runner out in 1 minute and jump a ship that took months to fit out unless they are in an unscannable tengu fit. Also, forcing people to do something never works. So what did people do? They moved to level 4 agents in deeper high sec. They will gladly take a quality hit for the assurance that they won't get blown up by pirates that don't have to spend nearly as much effort as they did for their ship to blow them up. My mission hub with 3 level 4 agents that only had about 20 people in the system before the patch now hits 150-200. I want the tourists gone. I want the lag gone. Also it brings fail tempest suicide gankers to my system and im tired of seeing my favorite ship blow up because it's piloted by idiots that can't add. It'll probably take 8 or so tempests to alpha strike my golem with its tank going  My poor tempests. | ||
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Zavior
Finland753 Posts
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bN`
Slovenia504 Posts
Oh wait... | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 08 2010 23:40 bN` wrote: Because riskfree 30mil ISK/hour missioning is totally the way to go for eve to not devolve into some lame ass grind fest where people stay in hi sec till they have a carrier. Oh wait... It's irrelevant If that's how people want to play then that's how they want to play. Low sec is too much of a shitsalad to want to get involved in. The only thing of value in low sec is level 5 missions but again, it's wayyy too easy to scan down people who run them in an RR BS gang. Besides, all those high sec mission runners are the ones that buy my extra deadspace modules. If that's how they want to play then I have no business telling them otherwise. There are more than enough people in null sec for me to shoot and kill without problem. | ||
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MayZerG
United Kingdom68 Posts
On June 05 2010 03:33 MayZerG wrote: I'm in the I.T. Alliance of Querious, i've mostly been inactive, left the game 3-4 months ago and gave everything i have away. How big is your alliance? Whats the sov fee every month? how many systems do you control? Also would it be possible to get 200m Isk to start me up if i join so i can run an abaddon and do sanctums to repay it back? bump | ||
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Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
Nobody is going to drill Torrinos anyway since Lonetrek is such newbie region. Also I see a full planetary Basic setup is pretty cheap. Wouldn't it be a pretty sane investment; As in you will probably get what you invested relatively fast and after that it's all profit for very little work. What would be the downside? | ||
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bN`
Slovenia504 Posts
It's irrelevant If that's how people want to play then that's how they want to play. Low sec is too much of a shitsalad to want to get involved in. The only thing of value in low sec is level 5 missions but again, it's wayyy too easy to scan down people who run them in an RR BS gang. Besides, all those high sec mission runners are the ones that buy my extra deadspace modules. If that's how they want to play then I have no business telling them otherwise. There are more than enough people in null sec for me to shoot and kill without problem. Lowsec sucks income wise because hisec is so insanely profitable. the risk/reward ratio is broken to such a degree it's retarded. Why do anomalies in 0.0 when you get the same income in hisec absolutely risk free(suicide tempest fleets excluded)? With the several nerfs in nullsec complexes that's not as good anymore aswell. Some buddies of mine say you can do 75mil/hour in a wormhole with a small group. Twice and a half much money is a wormhole. A WORMHOLE. It has no local and sleepers are actually decent rats not lol afk guristas. So really, saying lowsec sucks for isk it's because hi sec is riskfree good money. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 09 2010 05:10 bN` wrote: Lowsec sucks income wise because hisec is so insanely profitable. the risk/reward ratio is broken to such a degree it's retarded. Why do anomalies in 0.0 when you get the same income in hisec absolutely risk free(suicide tempest fleets excluded)? With the several nerfs in nullsec complexes that's not as good anymore aswell. Some buddies of mine say you can do 75mil/hour in a wormhole with a small group. Twice and a half much money is a wormhole. A WORMHOLE. It has no local and sleepers are actually decent rats not lol afk guristas. So really, saying lowsec sucks for isk it's because hi sec is riskfree good money. First off, 0.0 anomalies are infinitely better. You are seriously talking to the wrong person if you want to tell me that high sec missions are better than 0.0 anoms with occasional complexes (just scan them down...). I have done both... a lot... I still do both.. A LOT and I can tell you that on a good week I can pull in 750mil from 0.0 anom/complexes only playing 2-3 hours a day. 10-15 hours of playtime for 750mil.... If I'm paying full attention to level 4 missions I can pull in 45mil/isk an hour and this is from a fully pimped as fuck golem with max/near max skill in every category that matters. I'm talking down to faction TP's and damage mods. Not only is that boring as sin but most people just cannot pull that much money in from mission running because I just do them faster/better. If i'm dual boxing and just running level 4's on autopilot then my income probably drops to about 15-20mil/hr. Again this requires a character with over 90mil SP. Lowsec sucks for isk because lowsec sucks for isk. I don't know how else to put it. Lowsec has no incentive at all for someone to venture out there. You lose all the benefits of high sec but don't gain rewards of any note from it. You're still better off mining Pyrite in a high sec system than mining in low sec. Even if you move level 4's to low sec people just aren't going to go. Being forced to go to low sec will not work. It's too easy to scan down someone doing missions so there is no reason to fly my multi billion isk ship into low sec. Just for comparisons sake... I have absolutely no issue flying the same pimped golem in 0.0...Why? Because 0.0 is an order of magnitude safer than low sec, even when I'm in hostile space. That being said I could still die but my income goes up in response to that. If you are going purely on risk vs reward living in a border .4 system like Rancer should net you 100mil an hour. There is no middle point from .5 to .4. For all intents and purposes you can consider a .4 a null sec system. Make scanning in a .4 harder or something because as it is now is not working. I am completely against moving level 4 missions from high sec and it's not because it's my only income. It's because those mission runners are providing me (and a whole hell of a lot of null sec pvpers) my isk with which to blow other people up with. Low sec is a waste land and until it gets a huge revamp it will stay that way. For someone like me, all moving level 4 missions to low sec will do is make me live in null sec permanently. For someone not like me? They'll just quit. | ||
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MayZerG
United Kingdom68 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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kuresuti
1393 Posts
On June 09 2010 05:32 Jayme wrote: First off, 0.0 anomalies are infinitely better. eYou are seriously talking to the wrong person if you want to tell me that high sec missions are better than 0.0 anoms with occasional complexes (just scan them down...). I have done both... a lot... I still do both.. A LOT and I can tell you that on a good week I can pull in 750mil from 0.0 anom/complexes only playing 2-3 hours a day. 10-15 hours of playtime for 750mil.... If I'm paying full attention to level 4 missions I can pull in 45mil/isk an hour and this is from a fully pimped as fuck golem with max/near max skill in every category that matters. I'm talking down to faction TP's and damage mods. Not only is that boring as sin but most people just cannot pull that much money in from mission running because I just do them faster/better. If i'm dual boxing and just running level 4's on autopilot then my income probably drops to about 15-20mil/hr. Again this requires a character with over 90mil SP. Lowsec sucks for isk because lowsec sucks for isk. I don't know how else to put it. Lowsec has no incentive at all for someone to venture out there. You lose all the benefits of high sec but don't gain rewards of any note from it. You're still better off mining Pyrite in a high sec system than mining in low sec. Even if you move level 4's to low sec people just aren't going to go. Being forced to go to low sec will not work. It's too easy to scan down someone doing missions so there is no reason to fly my multi billion isk ship into low sec. Just for comparisons sake... I have absolutely no issue flying the same pimped golem in 0.0...Why? Because 0.0 is an order of magnitude safer than low sec, even when I'm in hostile space. That being said I could still die but my income goes up in response to that. If you are going purely on risk vs reward living in a border .4 system like Rancer should net you 100mil an hour. There is no middle point from .5 to .4. For all intents and purposes you can consider a .4 a null sec system. Make scanning in a .4 harder or something because as it is now is not working. I am completely against moving level 4 missions from high sec and it's not because it's my only income. It's because those mission runners are providing me (and a whole hell of a lot of null sec pvpers) my isk with which to blow other people up with. Low sec is a waste land and until it gets a huge revamp it will stay that way. For someone like me, all moving level 4 missions to low sec will do is make me live in null sec permanently. For someone not like me? They'll just quit. This basically. Every game has it's flaws in different points in time. Right now in EVE, lowsec sucks, just do something else until they fix it. Also, wormholes aren't safe income. I'd say wormholes are more dangerous than your average 0.0 system. Bored people find wormholes to PvP in since it's pretty fresh compared to your normal roams, with no local and all. | ||
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bN`
Slovenia504 Posts
Either way anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Here's the thing. When someone jumps into a system when you're missioning in hi sec: do you notice? You do maybe, if you're at war. When someone jumps into your system in 0.0 and you're in an anomaly ratting in your pimped golem what do you do? See here it gets tricky. He could jump in somewhere where he's not in scan range, he could be cloaked, he could be really good at probing OR he doesn't even need to be because anomalies always! spawn within onboard scanner range of a planet. What's your reaction? Do you warp to a safe pos? Do you keep on going and risk it? Maybe he's got a giant hardon for golem pilots and getting juicy ratter kills. So he adds you to friends and logs in his prober alt everytime you log on. He probably has friends too and his friends sure like 'em golem kills. So it's down to you. Say fuck it and potentially lose a 2bil golem or safe up. Say you safe up. How long do you stay in a safe? 15mins, half hour? Do you log off? What if he logs back in when you log back in? You're losing time. Time that you could be spending doing carefree missions in hi sec. Oh and I almost forgot. Do you give a fuck when a rat tackles you in hi sec? Because I would if it tackled me in 0.0. With darkside living 5jumps away you never know when creamster is gonna come frapsing for his new video. So let's say your numbers are right. Do you wanna go through all that trouble and do anomalies in 0.0 just for the sake of 5-30mil more an hour? In a faction pimped golem? Doesn't sound like a good reward for having balls that big. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 09 2010 07:18 bN` wrote: You can post numbers here all day long. I've never done any ratting ever, yet from reading missions and complexes forum from time to time and seeing posts about how someone can make 70mil/h in a golem in hisec tips me off a bit. You could just say they're pullingnumbers out their ass, but then again same can be said for you. Either way anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Here's the thing. When someone jumps into a system when you're missioning in hi sec: do you notice? You do maybe, if you're at war. When someone jumps into your system in 0.0 and you're in an anomaly ratting in your pimped golem what do you do? See here it gets tricky. He could jump in somewhere where he's not in scan range, he could be cloaked, he could be really good at probing OR he doesn't even need to be because anomalies always! spawn within onboard scanner range of a planet. What's your reaction? Do you warp to a safe pos? Do you keep on going and risk it? Maybe he's got a giant hardon for golem pilots and getting juicy ratter kills. So he adds you to friends and logs in his prober alt everytime you log on. He probably has friends too and his friends sure like 'em golem kills. So it's down to you. Say fuck it and potentially lose a 2bil golem or safe up. Say you safe up. How long do you stay in a safe? 15mins, half hour? Do you log off? What if he logs back in when you log back in? You're losing time. Time that you could be spending doing carefree missions in hi sec. Oh and I almost forgot. Do you give a fuck when a rat tackles you in hi sec? Because I would if it tackled me in 0.0. With darkside living 5jumps away you never know when creamster is gonna come frapsing for his new video. So let's say your numbers are right. Do you wanna go through all that trouble and do anomalies in 0.0 just for the sake of 5-30mil more an hour? In a faction pimped golem? Doesn't sound like a good reward for having balls that big. You're seeing that from characters that have 60-90mil sp + and if I want to be frank noboddy is making 75mil/hour from high sec missioning. No one. Ever. NO ONE. Maybe some guy out there is an absolute genius and is making 60mil/hr missioning and I'd consider that high. I have experience on my side when I throw numbers around and in general the concensus agrees with me. People like Llang and Kefira and Greengimp make 50mil/isk an hour on missions if they pay attention. Each of them also have upwards of 110mil SP so you know what? I think having that much SP into your character should enable you to make that much. Obviously if some hostile jumps into the system I'm going to safe up. That 2-3 hour play time assumes that sometimes I have bad people out there looking to kill me good. You are pretty much laying out a worst case scenario there where someone has a prober alt looking for you 24/7 which less face it...doesn't happen. The good thing about my character is that no single person is going to "hold me" in my station. I'm going to come back in a ship that's designed to kill things and take a crack at killing them. That or you better be in a damn highly tanked ship if you're trying to kill my golem 1v1...it has pretty high DPS. You aren't taking into account escalation chances and other assorted things 0.0 anom/plexing gives you. Hell I said 750mil in a good week, if I get one good drop my income shoots up to 1.5bil to 2.5bil. Finding a single Pith A-Type Medium = 800mil isk. So yes, a good average week is 750mil...easily doing Havens/Sanctums as quickly as possible. If I get an escalation or a complex scan down...that number only goes up. Again you're talking to someone who has a ton of experience with this and doesn't mind losing this golem on the off chance that someone will find me and kill me. I have the money to buy this stupid golem about 14 times over or some crazy crap like that if I wanted to. However, let's just say I'm pulling numbers totally out of my ass. Even then you still haven't addressed the core issue...the one that's saying that Lowsec sucks in every way imaginable for no benefit. If you take level 4 missions out the income you can get in Lowsec isn't going to increase for the same reasons you brought up before...and this time you're dealing with people a lot less likely to fit it out with other ships. So they quit. Back to square one. Solve the low sec problem without nerfing other crap please. | ||
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bN`
Slovenia504 Posts
I'm willing to believe you that lowsec is broken for isk making. I haven't really spend any quality time in lowsec excluding the couple of rifter duels I had in amamake. | ||
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