• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 09:07
CET 15:07
KST 23:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1524 users

EVE Corporation - Page 1931

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 1929 1930 1931 1932 1933 2021 Next
https://discord.gg/c8jHgQpMSY

mity hat tree discord if you care
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20320 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-03 06:08:42
February 03 2015 04:45 GMT
#38601
They managed to refresh stuff really well over time IMO

aside from some random low poly objects, or times where something like an asteroid is really really huge but still using the same texture resolution as the asteroids that are like 1% of the size
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Flyingdutchman
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands858 Posts
February 06 2015 05:27 GMT
#38602
These kind of threads always feel kinda whiney to me. Basically every aspect of the game that requires some hard choice or trade-off will be challenged under the guise of not fitting into the lore or in this case be bashed because it forces you to make a choice and stick with it for a while.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2uwxbf/base_attributes_are_an_awful_mechanic/
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
February 06 2015 16:20 GMT
#38603
On February 06 2015 14:27 Flyingdutchman wrote:
These kind of threads always feel kinda whiney to me. Basically every aspect of the game that requires some hard choice or trade-off will be challenged under the guise of not fitting into the lore or in this case be bashed because it forces you to make a choice and stick with it for a while.


There's no doubt that remaps and implants add complexity to the skill system, but do they really make choices of skill training any more interesting? Complexity doesn't equate to interest if it's just another hoop to jump through, and the real interest in skill training are the opportunity costs involved in choosing one skill over another, not fiddling with parameters to try to maximize SP/hr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Zavior
Profile Joined August 2009
Finland753 Posts
February 06 2015 17:13 GMT
#38604
Achura base charisma 3 superiority!
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43206 Posts
February 07 2015 00:47 GMT
#38605
On February 07 2015 01:20 Lysenko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2015 14:27 Flyingdutchman wrote:
These kind of threads always feel kinda whiney to me. Basically every aspect of the game that requires some hard choice or trade-off will be challenged under the guise of not fitting into the lore or in this case be bashed because it forces you to make a choice and stick with it for a while.


There's no doubt that remaps and implants add complexity to the skill system, but do they really make choices of skill training any more interesting? Complexity doesn't equate to interest if it's just another hoop to jump through, and the real interest in skill training are the opportunity costs involved in choosing one skill over another, not fiddling with parameters to try to maximize SP/hr.

I agree and would like to add that pushing people to prioritise supports early over ships and guns is generally bad game design,
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
February 07 2015 03:12 GMT
#38606
A big "problem" underlying a lot of the sense of progression in EVE is that the choices you're given quite often boil down to "do I get really rich and progress faster or not?" + Show Spoiler +
Translation for Rise: "interesting choices"
The attribute system, remapping, support/weapons dichotomy, character bazaar etc. all make this "choice" easier but in a somewhat crippling way for a new inexperienced player.

One of the reasons that GSF etc. are so big is because they offer a new player experience. They remove the player responsibility for the overhead of making many of the decisions present in the game (with regards to game mechanics, ship supply, what to do etc.). They ease a lot of people into the game that would absolutely not have transitioned on their own.

CCP should see their success (in terms of retention) and consider changing or removing some of these mechanics which primarily hold back newer rather than older players. There is plenty of gamespace in EVE for older, more experienced, richer players to shit on everyone else.

I even think new players should get more skillpoints. CCP would probably make a killing if they gave new characters a lump sum of SP 3 months after creation.
hiromi
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
36 Posts
February 07 2015 04:32 GMT
#38607
I spent my first 3.5 months on an int/mem remap training core skills. During that time i also learnt a chunk of solo pvp, getting down the basics with about 80k sp in gunnery and ship command.
It's a pretty terrible experience, having my primary interest gated by sp, so I ended up quitting for a long time. When I resubbed I finished off core skills and finally went into per/wil remap, and that was a huge improvement.

I think the original design for the SP system was meant to allow players to skill their characters in their own unique ways, similiar to old games such as ragnarok online or diablo 2. However, with the advent of modern gaming, people learnt that there are only a few real viable options, anything else is suboptimal or a waste. In eve, everybody learns the same set of skills to optimize whatever activity they are interested in, thus making the concept of having a unique personal character moot.

With all that said, I still do feel a sense of attachment or satisfaction with my characters, but I might be in the minoority for that.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
February 07 2015 13:17 GMT
#38608
The eve SP system is absolutely ridiculous and frankly the game would be much better if players started out with 10-20m sp.

?
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
February 07 2015 14:08 GMT
#38609
That would break everything that alts are created for, don't you think?
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4211 Posts
February 07 2015 14:17 GMT
#38610
On February 07 2015 13:32 hiromi wrote:
With all that said, I still do feel a sense of attachment or satisfaction with my characters, but I might be in the minoority for that.

I know I should have bought a better character on the bazaar 2-3 years ago, but I didn't for exactly this reason. I still could.....

The biggest problem is that there is no realistic way for me to catch up to older characters. Sure, if I train for something specific I can perfect it in a relatively short period of time, but then I'm stuck flying the same thing all the time..... Meanwhile characters with like 150m SP are training all spec skills to 5 for an extra 2% damage because they don't know what else to train..... Not only can they fly pretty much anything perfectly, but they can fly pretty much everything perfectly.....

The entire SP system needs to be revamped in my view, but I'm not sure how to do it. Honestly, I kinda like the idea of training skills with time rather than having to actually grind like in many other games, and in a lot of ways it's great for preventing idiots from getting into too expensive of ships before they understand the basics of the game (not that it's perfect at it, mind you, because idiots will still be idiots), but things like support skills are fucking ridiculous. The idea that everyone needs to train these specific skills to fly absolutely any ship is pretty stupid. Fitting skills, navigation skills, capacitor skills, shield/armor/structure skills, etc.
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43206 Posts
February 08 2015 15:32 GMT
#38611
All hail the new genolution king

[image loading]

Will be fun to let him know I have reserve stocks by listing them 50 at a time 20m below his target price once he lists.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
February 08 2015 15:40 GMT
#38612
holy shit. dat isk
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43206 Posts
February 08 2015 16:06 GMT
#38613
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=383236

look for my posts here
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=289366
and here
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=280511
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
February 08 2015 16:31 GMT
#38614
So how much did he make if you subtract all the paid interest? Seems like a lot of effort, running this scam over 2 years, constantly defending it on a forum. His hourly rate is probably lower than just running incursions or actually doing trading..
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4211 Posts
February 08 2015 17:00 GMT
#38615
He clearly didn't do it right..... Had he repaid the 40b loan + interest, he might have gotten enough credibility for a significantly bigger loan.....
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
February 08 2015 17:09 GMT
#38616
Eve truely is a magical place
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
February 09 2015 02:50 GMT
#38617
Sunless Sea is kind of like a single-player EVE.
ModeratorGood content always wins.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
February 09 2015 05:12 GMT
#38618
On February 09 2015 01:06 KwarK wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=383236

look for my posts here
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=289366
and here
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=280511

loans in MD seem like slightly more refined russian roulette
?
0m3ga
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Serbia322 Posts
February 10 2015 15:15 GMT
#38619
Serbian skynet wizard

https://beta.eve-kill.net/related/30002616/201502032000/
Don't you ever gf me back -Chessur
Zavior
Profile Joined August 2009
Finland753 Posts
February 10 2015 21:03 GMT
#38620
On February 09 2015 00:32 KwarK wrote:
All hail the new genolution king

[image loading]

Will be fun to let him know I have reserve stocks by listing them 50 at a time 20m below his target price once he lists.


Heh. Still got few thousand stashed up on an inactive account from the time they were selling around 15m. Heh.





but selling them would require logging in so meh
Prev 1 1929 1930 1931 1932 1933 2021 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
12:00
#59
WardiTV1615
OGKoka 349
Rex127
IntoTheiNu 44
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 349
Hui .264
Rex 127
Vindicta 16
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 9483
Jaedong 5056
GuemChi 2311
Horang2 1951
Sea 1839
Pusan 569
Mini 361
Stork 356
Larva 351
firebathero 319
[ Show more ]
Hyun 225
PianO 88
Killer 76
Backho 73
ggaemo 69
Barracks 67
ToSsGirL 61
sSak 59
Aegong 55
Sea.KH 55
JYJ48
JulyZerg 42
Mong 35
Sharp 29
sas.Sziky 25
soO 23
zelot 14
scan(afreeca) 12
Noble 8
Sacsri 8
ajuk12(nOOB) 7
Terrorterran 6
SilentControl 5
Rock 4
Dota 2
Gorgc4199
qojqva2308
Dendi1233
XcaliburYe238
420jenkins132
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1694
zeus625
allub304
oskar103
Super Smash Bros
amsayoshi73
Other Games
B2W.Neo990
Pyrionflax424
hiko360
crisheroes331
Lowko267
Fuzer 211
Sick196
Liquid`LucifroN145
Mew2King106
QueenE51
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 10
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV280
League of Legends
• Nemesis796
• TFBlade469
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
1h 53m
Replay Cast
8h 53m
WardiTV Korean Royale
21h 53m
Replay Cast
1d 8h
Replay Cast
1d 18h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 21h
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
PiGosaur Monday
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
BSL 21
5 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
BSL 21
6 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.