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tofucake
Hyrule18977 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34484 Posts
On May 16 2013 00:47 SayGen wrote: 2) EvE takes 0 time commitment to be a good pilot. You are either competent or not. It's not a slider bar or a score of skill. You are or you aren't- pass or fail. ? Not sure what you're getting at here... It isn't like a switch that you flick on or off. It's a gradual learning process. | ||
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SayGen
United States1209 Posts
On May 16 2013 00:49 Firebolt145 wrote: ? Not sure what you're getting at here... It isn't like a switch that you flick on or off. It's a gradual learning process. Perhaps I should of been more specific. Yes there is a learning curve and an unending flow of new information each time you play. However success in EvE (as vague as that is) is based on your ability to comprehend and apply data. Thus if you are competent you will obtain what you need, and if not you will fail. This is of course imho, others may disagree. | ||
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michaelthe
United States359 Posts
Any recommendations on a new corp for me? I'd really love to stop afk training and actually play. Quitting LoL for it methinks. 26m SP main combat toon. Ideally I'd join an active FW or lowsec pvp group so I can actually learn to PvP rather than press F1 in giant blobs. Any thoughts before I'm forced to browse eveonline recruitment forums? | ||
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Zavior
Finland753 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On May 16 2013 00:54 SayGen wrote: Thus if you are competent you will obtain what you need, and if not you will fail. This is of course imho, others may disagree. I disagree. EVE performance requires having a lot of accurate knowledge and a good mental model. Both can be corrected with good instruction. | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
On May 16 2013 00:54 SayGen wrote: Perhaps I should of been more specific. Yes there is a learning curve and an unending flow of new information each time you play. However success in EvE (as vague as that is) is based on your ability to comprehend and apply data. Thus if you are competent you will obtain what you need, and if not you will fail. This is of course imho, others may disagree. I think one of the reasons that EVE is so interesting and mirrors real life so strongly is that it is an environment where you learn to optimize primarily through failure. There is some strange particular flaw present in the human mind which causes it difficulty in setting up working, unproblematic systems of interaction. If not for the momentum of historic events and the reflective surface of history, mankind would repeat all its mistakes endlessly. But even on a personal level, we learn through failure. Some people don't learn from failure because they misattribute personal failure to external sources. I think this is what you are trying to refer to when saying "you've either got it or you don't". Being able to learn from failure is an essential part of EVE. The real trick is that we can learn from the failure of others, and those who learn more from the failures of others are more successful in life as they are in EVE. Hatchery was a place where failure was put in spotlights, and generally people who roughed it through learned very quickly while those who couldn't suffer the injury to their undeserved pride left almost immediately. | ||
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Ueberlisk
Finland455 Posts
shameless promotion ps. I still want my shill account. | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Gorski Car > then ec-300s hit you Gorski Car > and he burns away one shotting you like world trade center building 7 Gorski Car > controlled demolition of your ship | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
On May 16 2013 04:19 Lysenko wrote: I disagree. EVE performance requires having a lot of accurate knowledge and a good mental model. Both can be corrected with good instruction. Some players were better pvp'rs than me in mere months, I've been playing on and off for 2 years, finally feel like a competent pilot and small gang FC. Of course my standards are much lower than TL's were. I failed more times than I can count at everything I did, and at times still get frustrated, but eventually I calm down and keep hammering away. My corp is recruiting, you can mail me on TL if your interested. | ||
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419
Russian Federation3631 Posts
 http://www.teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17793880 I don't even I disagree. EVE performance requires having a lot of accurate knowledge and a good mental model. Both can be corrected with good instruction. its mostly the latter, knowledge can be taught, the realization that one is still bad at game...not so much | ||
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Johnny Business
Sweden1251 Posts
On May 16 2013 08:23 419 wrote: Tinfoil Car doing good work in Bringing solo back. Also come back to ec- with me I got a mic soon. | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On May 16 2013 18:37 419 wrote: i was conscripted to go to Rahadalon, home of Brave Newbies Inc., and grief some people in a belt http://www.teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17793880 I don't even Someone forgot to fit their weapons? Edit: Apparently not. http://www.teamliquid.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17766341 its mostly the latter, knowledge can be taught, the realization that one is still bad at game...not so much Well willingness to accept instruction is a weak point of a lot of people I've met in EVE, certainly. I know I'm crappy and try to learn from everyone who has something to offer, but at least I've come a long way since last summer in Hatchery, which was pretty embarrassing overall.  | ||
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
Racial Frigate IV > Destroyers V > Racial Cruiser III > Battlecruisers V Wherever your training is at when the skill change is implemented, that is where the new racial Destroyer/BC skill will be at. If all you have is Amarr Cruiser IV and BC IV, you won't receive Caldari BC IV after the skill change. There will be no "free" SP. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. The level of intelligence on EVE-O diminishes by the day. | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
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KwarK
United States41983 Posts
On May 17 2013 01:52 Omigawa wrote: "Free SP" in the sense that if you have BC V trained before the skill change, but you don't have Racial Cruiser III trained for every race, instead of receiving Racial BC V for all four races you will instead receive ~6 million un-allocated SP's to use at your discretion. Wait, what? | ||
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
There are people on the EVE-O forums who, either out of stupidity or laziness, think that when the skill change from Generic Destroyer/Battlecruiser > Racial Destroyer/Battlecruiser happens, if they don't train the pre-requisite skills (Racial Frig IV, Racial Cruiser III) required to be reimbursed, will instead be given free, un-allocated SP by CCP after the patch. Let me try to dig up some of the posts real quick. Mind you, these are posts in recent threads. The skill change was announced a year ago, and a devblog that spelled out the skill change in words that a 12 year old could understand was posted two months ago explaining what would be happening. | ||
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3032450#post3032450 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3032612#post3032612 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3032702#post3032702 + Show Spoiler + ...actually I'm scrambling to have some unallocated SP, so even if I did set my skillqueue months ago I didn't know about the "free SP" thingy, so now I wanted to be sure about which skillbok to NOT inject before odissey  https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3032906#post3032906 + Show Spoiler + Another possibility (If I am reading this correct) is train the BC skill as close to V as you can get (Preferably to V), don’t train one of the racial cruiser skills to 3. When the patch comes through you will get distributable points for the racial BC you don’t have the prerequisites for totalling up to 1.5 million SP to distribute. Don’t waste them, train the prerequisite and then apply the SP to BC’s Effectively allowing you to train them by clicking ‘distribute points’ whenever you like. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3034776#post3034776 + Show Spoiler + You only get unallocated SP if you have skill in BC and NO cruiser skills. If you have any cruiser skills at all, you get no unallocated SP. Even if you have no cruiser skills, you only get as much unallocated SP as you've spent in BC, so you might as well have just trained that SP in whatever you wanted it in anyway. Edit: the last one doesn't even make sense? You have to train at least one Racial Cruiser skill to III before even being able to inject BC... | ||
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KwarK
United States41983 Posts
On May 17 2013 02:18 Omigawa wrote: Edit: the last one doesn't even make sense? You have to train at least one Racial Cruiser skill to III before even being able to inject BC... Spaceship command IV sir. | ||
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