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On May 05 2013 10:42 DefMatrixUltra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 10:17 Firebolt145 wrote:Because, to be frank, noone here really cares about nullsec politics. More to the point, it doesn't have any real effect on the game or even the political landscape. The end result is that groups A, B, C, and D now hate TEST and think they are the devil's spawn while groups E, F, G, H like them or are neutral to them or don't care. Pretty boring shit. This is what passes for news in null land because the nullsec sovereignty mechanics are dreck.
It's really sad that I find myself agreeing with this, as the "Metagaming in EVE" thread is the reason I ever started playing :/
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On May 05 2013 12:10 Omigawa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 10:42 DefMatrixUltra wrote:On May 05 2013 10:17 Firebolt145 wrote:Because, to be frank, noone here really cares about nullsec politics. More to the point, it doesn't have any real effect on the game or even the political landscape. The end result is that groups A, B, C, and D now hate TEST and think they are the devil's spawn while groups E, F, G, H like them or are neutral to them or don't care. Pretty boring shit. This is what passes for news in null land because the nullsec sovereignty mechanics are dreck. It's really sad that I find myself agreeing with this, as the "Metagaming in EVE" thread is the reason I ever started playing :/
The Metagaming in EVE thread's story is about a political bubble that popped and the resulting power vacuum. This happened in a more "raw" time period in EVE when people weren't as connected and game mechanics weren't as fully understood. In addition, there was an invading presence of SA forumgoers with a political will behind them - an unprecedented external shift in the balance of manpower.
Nowadays, people are more connected than before. Alliances today interact at a table built atop the rubble of dozens of failed political entities - there are no unknown or unquantified organizations in all of EVE. Small or upstart groups can either be crushed or they can go along the established path of least resistance and be assimilated into the existing political infrastructure.
Null sec is bland because all the people at the top of the sov game have figured out that the sov mechanics are boring and painful, and the entire diplomatic process between both allies and enemies is based on this singular principle. As things stand, something big has to happen to nudge people away from the status quo - and even then the changes correct themselves very quickly.
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With 0.0 stuff, if you are a) just and grunt and b) understand the politics to the same level as displayed by the last few posts in this thread then it will almost automatically be boring as hell. Without a feeling for the subtle interactions and shifts, the effects of personalities or knowledge of intricate history you're blind, the raging maelstrom looks like a calm pool. That said it is kinda boring.
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As someone who spent considerable time and effort getting a full picture of the null viewpoint, most of the raging maelstrom is the equivalent of high-school drama but in a semi-adult setting. It's office politics but where you're allowed extensive freedom to call people out on their idiocy. Real political "shifts" that happen stem from interpersonal disputes and grow from self-serving propaganda fed to those recruited by each side - on both large and small scales. The word "petty" is hardly up to the task of describing it.
Although it is sometimes amusing when someone you personally dislike suffers, it is indeed pretty boring when you get down to it.
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
pretty sure def has a better understanding of the ~subtle nullsec politics~ than you do
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So, after reading a bit more on various forums regarding "Test leaving the HBC", the whole thing is extremely overstated.
My understanding of PL is that pretty much throw their might around the universe whenever they want. They haven't really been actively participating in HBC campaigns- though part of that is because the HBC campaigns have been crap with no real enemy. In any case, this split wasn't huge. Could be more wrong here, like I said, I've been inactive for about two months.
But what about the rest of the HBC? There is Test, a few relevant (large enough to have fleets/deployments, on Test's borders, etc) allies, then a sea of blues. The sea of blues came from taking Sov too quickly and trying to fail cascade SoCo. For example, in Paragon Soul: Troll was previous USTZ corps/renters/indy for ROL that were offered blue status if they left SoCo. In the short term, this was effective strategy, but after victory came quickly, people started to wonder why we just gave renters of our enemy our space for little good reason. All of the other blues were fairly non-contributing/non-significant in some way.
However, just booting them would demonize Test and the HBC. Test has had a lot of problems with being too big to manage, part of this is internal, but part of it is the HBC as a whole. I guess Test used this opportunity to shed the unwanted HBC members.
Most importantly for me is that the Test nerdherders have successfully changed the narrative from "we kicked a bunch of useless members form the HBC" to some valiant fight for a homeland- a fight which sure as hell isn't going to come from anyone. Giving the line member some narrative to fight for is key to nullsec success. But here, it seems a total farce.
In summary: Test is still essentially the HBC- just without full ties to PL and with less un-useful alliances. Line members have been giving a dumb narrative that doesn't correspond to the reality of the situation, but they are happy for the narrative they get. Null-sec is still boring as shit.
2cents.
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On May 05 2013 13:37 michaelthe wrote:
My understanding of PL is that pretty much throw their might around the universe whenever they want. [1]
Most importantly for me is that the Test nerdherders have successfully changed the narrative from "we kicked a bunch of useless members form the HBC" to some valiant fight for a homeland- a fight which sure as hell isn't going to come from anyone. Giving the line member some narrative to fight for is key to nullsec success. But here, it seems a total farce.
Line members have been giving a dumb narrative that doesn't correspond to the reality of the situation, but they are happy for the narrative they get. [2]
[1] Which is never since what do any of the big players have to gain from sov grinding?
[2] You could findreplace all the organizational names here and it would be the same thing that happens anytime some non-event occurs in nullsec. Something totally mundane takes place, and megaphones come out of slumber to drum up the "story" they've been selling people in order to convince them to lead out their miserable existence as a piece of rail on the train tracks to their glorious leader's victory in the space drama wars.
Thank Zeus for invincible tech POSs.
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On May 05 2013 14:07 DefMatrixUltra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 13:37 michaelthe wrote:
My understanding of PL is that pretty much throw their might around the universe whenever they want. [1]
Most importantly for me is that the Test nerdherders have successfully changed the narrative from "we kicked a bunch of useless members form the HBC" to some valiant fight for a homeland- a fight which sure as hell isn't going to come from anyone. Giving the line member some narrative to fight for is key to nullsec success. But here, it seems a total farce.
Line members have been giving a dumb narrative that doesn't correspond to the reality of the situation, but they are happy for the narrative they get. [2]
[1] Which is never since what do any of the big players have to gain from sov grinding? [2] You could findreplace all the organizational names here and it would be the same thing that happens anytime some non-event occurs in nullsec. Something totally mundane takes place, and megaphones come out of slumber to drum up the "story" they've been selling people in order to convince them to lead out their miserable existence as a piece of rail on the train tracks to their glorious leader's victory in the space drama wars. Thank Zeus for invincible tech POSs.
You have a way with words, well put.
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PL have been sov grinding for the last months. And the isk we get from renters is actually equal to tech income.
We are also not part of HBC anymore and have not been for a week or so. The corp incharge of HBC left PL.
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He almost had the optimal fit too :|
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stop killing your alts ueber!!!
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Lalalaland34500 Posts
Titus Veridius • 18 hours ago
Uber.
I think that sums it up adequately.
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On May 06 2013 06:34 Johnny Business wrote:
So is Rixx.
elaborate please?
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Rixx probably banned him from some channel or something.
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On May 06 2013 07:47 Warri wrote:elaborate please?
I don't know anything about this Rixx character, but anyone that is on the bad side of Sulei is probably there for a reason.
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EPT
