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SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
October 21 2012 20:17 GMT
#25981
On October 22 2012 04:16 Shootemup. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 03:27 SayGen wrote:
All this is true, but it's still hard to know if you're practice proper technique. No one is going to sit over my shoulder and say 'shoulda burned at that direction' 'that angle is good, but this one is better'. I do watch some of the instruction videos like how to properly apply tackle (web after scram) either MWD burn right at them, secure point, hard turn, max out AV or go slow point creating a spiral formation which will give you max protection, but you may take too long in securing point. When we roam I usually go for the direct approach since the life of my shitty little merlin is next to worthless. But no matter how many times I excute properly I'll never know if I could be doing it better. If I fail to secure tackle how will I know what do better next time.

First off, Merlins are not worthless, and you should pretty much always spiral so you don't die when we need something scrammed. Secondly, the best way to know what to do when you are new is to copy good players.


I meant from an isk perspective, compared to other ships merlins are a penny in the pot. Tactically yes I understadn they are of great value. I was just commenting on 2 different methods of tackle- one is the safer route, but you may not obtain tackle if your target flees, the other is direct but you may not make it to the target alive to tackle. In a fleet fight you may be better off spirling if you know your opponets arn't going to flee. If your trying to nab a fleeing target- best is direct no?

We Live to Die
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
October 21 2012 20:20 GMT
#25982
Does anyone want to do the ships section for me? That's the only bit I'm not knowledgable enough to do myself.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
October 21 2012 20:21 GMT
#25983
On October 22 2012 05:16 kollin wrote:
Alright. What have you done so far?

Errrrrr

I don't remember. It may be buried somewhere deep in 54, feel free to check.
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
October 21 2012 20:23 GMT
#25984
On October 22 2012 05:21 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 05:16 kollin wrote:
Alright. What have you done so far?

Errrrrr

I don't remember. It may be buried somewhere deep in 54, feel free to check.


I don't have access to 54 -.-
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43929 Posts
October 21 2012 20:37 GMT
#25985
I paid 7b in loans in the last 5 weeks. I peaked at 250b in uncollateralised debt. I am now debt free. Hurrah!
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
October 21 2012 20:38 GMT
#25986
On October 22 2012 05:37 KwarK wrote:
I paid 7b in loans in the last 5 weeks. I peaked at 250b in uncollateralised debt. I am now debt free. Hurrah!


You are now officially better than most governments!
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
October 21 2012 20:39 GMT
#25987
On October 22 2012 05:37 KwarK wrote:
I paid 7b in loans in the last 5 weeks. I peaked at 250b in uncollateralised debt. I am now debt free. Hurrah!

Weren't you supposed to be on holiday with Cal?
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43929 Posts
October 21 2012 20:42 GMT
#25988
On October 22 2012 05:39 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 05:37 KwarK wrote:
I paid 7b in loans in the last 5 weeks. I peaked at 250b in uncollateralised debt. I am now debt free. Hurrah!

Weren't you supposed to be on holiday with Cal?

All good things come to an end.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19203 Posts
October 21 2012 22:11 GMT
#25989
they got divorced
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abominare
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1216 Posts
October 21 2012 22:11 GMT
#25990
On October 22 2012 05:17 SayGen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2012 04:16 Shootemup. wrote:
On October 22 2012 03:27 SayGen wrote:
All this is true, but it's still hard to know if you're practice proper technique. No one is going to sit over my shoulder and say 'shoulda burned at that direction' 'that angle is good, but this one is better'. I do watch some of the instruction videos like how to properly apply tackle (web after scram) either MWD burn right at them, secure point, hard turn, max out AV or go slow point creating a spiral formation which will give you max protection, but you may take too long in securing point. When we roam I usually go for the direct approach since the life of my shitty little merlin is next to worthless. But no matter how many times I excute properly I'll never know if I could be doing it better. If I fail to secure tackle how will I know what do better next time.

First off, Merlins are not worthless, and you should pretty much always spiral so you don't die when we need something scrammed. Secondly, the best way to know what to do when you are new is to copy good players.


I meant from an isk perspective, compared to other ships merlins are a penny in the pot. Tactically yes I understadn they are of great value. I was just commenting on 2 different methods of tackle- one is the safer route, but you may not obtain tackle if your target flees, the other is direct but you may not make it to the target alive to tackle. In a fleet fight you may be better off spirling if you know your opponets arn't going to flee. If your trying to nab a fleeing target- best is direct no?



When in doubt spiral. Obviously vs missiles it doesnt matter just grab point.

There's a few other times you can make a judgement call and just grab point by flying direct, but you'll look dumb if you make the call wrong and won't have a defense other than I said fuck it and wanted to click once because most of the time you were just betting on them being bad and not primary targeting light tackle.
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
October 22 2012 00:18 GMT
#25991
Just to check, the conversion rate for LP is still around 3k/lp right? And what should I be doing when Minmatar hit T5, should I ask someone in supply depot to give me advice on what I should buy?
Shootemup.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1044 Posts
October 22 2012 02:25 GMT
#25992
On October 22 2012 09:18 kollin wrote:
Just to check, the conversion rate for LP is still around 3k/lp right? And what should I be doing when Minmatar hit T5, should I ask someone in supply depot to give me advice on what I should buy?

Around 3k isk/lp yeah, and next time minmatar hits T5 (probably next sunday) then you will want to go to the TLF station in Hek so that you can spend all your LP while it is still T5. Typically people buy implants, if you want a safe buy then I would go with +4 learning implants, they have huge volume in Jita so they are insulated a little bit from the craziness of the market right now.
"Dirty Timber Picker" Mity Teem Larquad. "I am a baddie and tango is a smartiepants." -KwarK "When you said you didn't play Invoker I thought you were just being modest"
SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
October 22 2012 02:26 GMT
#25993
On October 22 2012 09:18 kollin wrote:
Just to check, the conversion rate for LP is still around 3k/lp right? And what should I be doing when Minmatar hit T5, should I ask someone in supply depot to give me advice on what I should buy?


Go with a spread of implants is your safest bet.
Never get all of the same type, mix it up.
If one is low, hold onto it and sell it later.

In about a month the endless supply of cheap implants will start a very slow crawl back up to PRE-FW levels and that's where the real money is--unless your ultra poor like me and have to sell right away
We Live to Die
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
October 22 2012 12:10 GMT
#25994


In about a month the endless supply of cheap implants will start a very slow crawl back up to PRE-FW levels and that's where the real money is--unless your ultra poor like me and have to sell right away


Lolno
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
October 22 2012 15:03 GMT
#25995
So, what skills do I want to be learning on my FW alt after those initial merlin ones? Do I want to go for a more tanky ship, to do the higher level of beacons, or improve on what I have currently?
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
October 22 2012 15:14 GMT
#25996


And then he ruins it with dubstep
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
October 22 2012 15:17 GMT
#25997
On October 23 2012 00:14 Body_Shield wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEy8xK29ZlQ

And then he ruins it with dubstep

I enjoy some dubstep so I took this as just another 'lawl dubstep is shit' comment

Then I watched it and the dubstep came in at the worst possible moment

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Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
October 22 2012 15:23 GMT
#25998
On October 23 2012 00:17 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2012 00:14 Body_Shield wrote:
?v=kEy8xK29ZlQ

And then he ruins it with dubstep

I enjoy some dubstep so I took this as just another 'lawl dubstep is shit' comment

Then I watched it and the dubstep came in at the worst possible moment


I told you Firebolt, why dost thou not believe what that I say
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 22 2012 15:27 GMT
#25999
Totally agree. It needed some "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor"
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19203 Posts
October 22 2012 15:43 GMT
#26000
Nah. In The End more appropriate.
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