Warcraft 3 Micro - Page 4

On January 18 2009 10:30 Xenixx wrote:
good post enjoyed the tidbits but you should take a look at dota, its completely micro oriented and is the only reason i play war3

On January 18 2009 10:11 Orlandu wrote:
Most of the things in that clip weren't anything too special (a few were), that was more of just a quick recap of some of the better moments from the Moon vs Sky match in a particular tournament from awhile back. Most of that stuff really shouldn't 'wow' you, but some of it is still kinda cool.

On January 18 2009 10:30 Xenixx wrote:
good post enjoyed the tidbits but you should take a look at dota, its completely micro oriented and is the only reason i play war3

On January 18 2009 12:44 ixion wrote:

There is no micro in dota. you control 1 unit (a hero). Dota is about teamwork & strategies


In my opinion every scene was special, sky vs moon are always super epic. If ur a regular war3 player you will see the epicness

On January 18 2009 06:30 virLudens wrote:


actually, dud scarabs aren't luck based. Scarabs go after whatever unit is targeted, if that units being blocked, too bad. You can still target an SCV that will end near the back of the line though.

On January 15 2009 15:44 jodogohoo wrote:
I APPROVE OF THIS.
Only thing I don't like is the fact there is no macro in warcraft and the only thing people have to focus on is micro

On January 19 2009 00:31 Ota Solgryn wrote:


The main problem with WC3 is not the lack of time consuming macro.
The problem is that in WC3 you have one army that absolutely have to stay together. Now what this means, is that there is no, and I mean NO, multitasking in wc3. Its all about who can time and use their infite amount of spells fastest, and the one that falls behind in a battle then tp's out. Now the other player have gained a small economy advantage and they run around a little and then do the same thing again and again, until one player can't affort a tp and then he has lost.

In WC3 there are no base raids, single drops, multiple drops, little forces to take out key buildings, because units without a hero among them are useless more or less.

Ahhh.. That felt good to write.

On January 19 2009 01:16 eX-Corgh wrote:


I got into WC3 to see what all the hype was about... played it for a few months until I got completely bored with it -_-

I agree with everything you said. It was also very annoying that everything in WC3 was so s l o w.. Units take a 100 years to die, move slowly, bases take ages to build, even the mouse and scrolling speed is way slower than in SC! omg

On January 16 2009 07:08 Orlandu wrote:


That's a good point that brings up an issue that I've noticed for a really long time about WarCraft 3. So much of what goes on inside the game is subtle (much more so than in StarCraft), and a lot of times it's hard for people who aren't really, really good at the game to fully grasp what happened and why it was done or why it was so important. Even pretty good players that consider themselves very skilled often times miss many of these subtle details and misunderstand the importance of vital concepts such as timing, because concepts such as these aren't always visible.

So when you show a game like this to people who really don't know anything about the game, and even StarCraft players are included in this category (because while StarCraft is probably one of the closest things out there to WarCraft 3 and they should understand the concepts better than most, it is still a very, VERY different game and these players aren't trained to pick up on the subtle intricacies of the game), so many things just seem boring or pointless, and as many have echoed here, extremely easy. While relatively speaking some of that may or may not be true, there is far far more to the game than meets the eye, and it's difficult for someone who doesn't understand the game very well to appreciate much of what is going on.

I think that's one of the big flaws with WarCraft 3 in terms of its interest towards spectators. You really need to know the game to enjoy watching it, or you'll find yourself very unimpressed or bored.


With that in mind, I think it's great that the OP provided such detailed explanations, as I think that really helps people with limited knowledge about the game understand why these different things are something to respect.

On January 19 2009 00:31 Ota Solgryn wrote:


The main problem with WC3 is not the lack of time consuming macro.
The problem is that in WC3 you have one army that absolutely have to stay together. Now what this means, is that there is no, and I mean NO, multitasking in wc3. Its all about who can time and use their infite amount of spells fastest, and the one that falls behind in a battle then tp's out. Now the other player have gained a small economy advantage and they run around a little and then do the same thing again and again, until one player can't affort a tp and then he has lost.

In WC3 there are no base raids, single drops, multiple drops, little forces to take out key buildings, because units without a hero among them are useless more or less.

Ahhh.. That felt good to write.

On January 19 2009 02:41 inReacH wrote:


Ugh I was starting to think this thread might actually stay relatively free of people who think they know something and start posting out of their ass.

In the video I posted you can see an undead ghoul creeping while fight a battle which is very difficult because you can lose units on two different places on the map, creeping that camp with 5-7 ghouls would be hard enough by itself.

All races can benefit greatly by harassing with their first hero while creeping with their second hero/army in the midgame.

There is a TON of solo hero harassment in the game... and that means potentially doing it AND defending it while also creeping with your 2nd hero and army.

There is also something called single screen multitasking.. there are a ton of things to do at the same time every battle and knowing what to do when and what to do it to depending on positioning is very difficult.

Also unit pulls make for a lot of different things that need you attentions, you have to refocus units that are targeting a unit that has enough life to run away while making sure you are running away your own high life units etc etc etc... I could go on

Starcraft is a better and more difficult game but you shouldn't post things you know nothing about.

EDIT: I just compared the building times quickly because I thought you were full of shit and the average of building times is like 10 seconds apart at most.

On January 19 2009 00:31 Ota Solgryn wrote:


The main problem with WC3 is not the lack of time consuming macro.
The problem is that in WC3 you have one army that absolutely have to stay together. Now what this means, is that there is no, and I mean NO, multitasking in wc3. Its all about who can time and use their infite amount of spells fastest, and the one that falls behind in a battle then tp's out. Now the other player have gained a small economy advantage and they run around a little and then do the same thing again and again, until one player can't affort a tp and then he has lost.

In WC3 there are no base raids, single drops, multiple drops, little forces to take out key buildings, because units without a hero among them are useless more or less.

Ahhh.. That felt good to write.

On January 19 2009 04:23 Ota Solgryn wrote:


I do remember MadFrog began creeping while doing herassment, but this still dosent remotely compare to what kind of multitasking is required in BW. Let me elaborate:

There is an infite difference between attacking creeps that is controlled by the ai or attack some human controlled units. The creeps are stupid; what you are required to do, is to pull damaged ghouls back and then the creep will attack your other gouls and whatnot.

In BW everything you do is against another human. This means that if you attack on a front for diversion and simultaniously doing (lets just say one herassment for simplicity) doing a drop on his mineral line with some templars, your opponent will react cleverly and try to escape his workers, intercept your shuttle and kill your templars. So for you to benefit from the drop, you will have to calculate where his workers are going while doing the front attack and if you want to escape with your shuttle and templars it required even more micro.
And a templar drop is really one of the easy herassments compared to e.g. muta herass and reaver.

On January 19 2009 05:08 Midnight)Sun wrote:
thanks for the video! i still can't believe that death coil traveled halfway across the map...

what's the name of the song that plays in the second half?