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MuR)Ernu
Profile Joined September 2008
Finland768 Posts
February 06 2009 02:03 GMT
#121
Inreach...
I think you are one of the most bad mannered posters i have seen here lately.
Whenever someone disagrees with you, you most likely start insulting them. That only really makes you look dumber.

But your posts are many times good too, you explain your points pretty well and stuff.
And the op was nice.

I looked up condescending from a dictionary, and if i understood it correctly, it suits your posting style well.

Often it seems that you replied only to make the other one feel bad about himself, you are like a bully

Be nicer please
MaZza[KIS]
Profile Joined December 2005
Australia2110 Posts
February 06 2009 05:06 GMT
#122
On February 06 2009 09:02 ReS wrote:

The whole upkeep thing adds to the strategy of the game. I thought you SC elitists claim to have great strategic minds?


Upkeep means that the game stays relatively small and manageable. It actually restricts the number of strategies that one can use.

Essentially, it opens up room for crucial "game ending" battles and emphasizes the need to "save" units. Hence why most of these "micro" moves are just "good saves".

In addition, you have skills triggering with %'s. i.e. crit strike.

What does this all mean? You have a small scale battle with less macro, more micro and probability. The three combined decrease the strategic options one can make and increase the probability of a "lucky" play. Whereas these plays may be "amazing" they may not be readily repeatable.

What does this do? It shows preference for one particular type of player and one particular type of play. It's the reason why WC3 play has remained largely the same. When I used to watch WC3 replays the distinction between pros was not strategic, it involved "how they felt on the day" and their accuracy with the mouse. If they pulled off the moves, they won, if not, they lost. There were very few instances of recovery and most "scissors, paper, rock" strategies actually hindered recoverability. The unit mixes and transitions were deterministic. In wc3 it's more about continuing to farm and micro well to gain a slight upper edge that will help you win that "decisive" aforementioned battle (above) then using the appropriate timing with an appropriate unit mix (such as sc). And NO "wc3 elitists", rushing is not TIMING!

This is just my opinion... it's not final and it's debatable.
I really wanted a bigger opponent, like Nate Marquardt, or King Neptune, or Zeus, or Zeus and Fedor, or Fedor on Zeus's shoulders, and they can both punch but only Zeus can kick.
inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-06 05:38:35
February 06 2009 05:33 GMT
#123
On February 06 2009 11:03 MuR)Ernu wrote:
Inreach...
I think you are one of the most bad mannered posters i have seen here lately.
Whenever someone disagrees with you, you most likely start insulting them. That only really makes you look dumber.

But your posts are many times good too, you explain your points pretty well and stuff.
And the op was nice.

I looked up condescending from a dictionary, and if i understood it correctly, it suits your posting style well.

Often it seems that you replied only to make the other one feel bad about himself, you are like a bully

Be nicer please


Yes I agree completely, I am very often condescending.

The difference is this is a forum where any thread presence is completely voluntary.

There is a big difference between being a black belt and walking into a dojo and looking down on a bunch of beginners compared to some guy who knows nothing about a subject posting his misinformation for people to read. I really have no patience for ignorance when it is accompanied with anything other than humility.

The worst part is that in this thread is that some are being ignorant and critical/dismissive, which I don't think many people would disagree is the worst kind. It's the same mindset as racism, it's not against a people thank god, but it still bothers me.
lwstupidus
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States74 Posts
February 06 2009 06:28 GMT
#124
I've played both bw and war3 a considerable amount. I was always able to get top 50 in the ladder, on iccup I can barely get to c or c+ if I really try hard for a month. Broodwar is infinitely harder in all aspects.


Even though people already responded to this, I just want to add that no current top 20 player would have been even a top 500 ranked player in the old days. The matchmaking system is no longer based on skill, but how many games one can mass, and with the degraded skill, a mediocre player can get top 10 by just playing 400 games. No one good has really used the ladder since 1.14, which was like 4 years ago. The new matchmaking service (ever leave your computer on all night searching for a match and wake up with none found?) + WoW + the rise of DOTA + stale map pool completely killed off the ladder, so basically all the "good" players would go to the europe or asia ladders but those ladders have degraded in skill so much that they no longer even do that. They either play each other on Garena or custom games.

Blizzard was supposed to release a patch 2.5 years to overhaul the AMM and the map pool and still haven't, and now it's at the point where the game will have a userbase the size of Warcraft 2 after SC2 is released.

Anyways, very nice video, haven't seen it before, some spots look staged that aren't credited in the details.

For example, the wand of illusion lich surround. The army is nowhere near the lich, and it's running away from the well which I would assume is to return to its base on the left hand side of lost temple. Looks ridiculously staged. Why is their 1 random ghoul there? Where is the DK? Why would the lich be running away from the well alone. Also I'm 95% sure Wand of illusion does NOT drop on lost temple anywhere. But whatever it's late I'm probably just being retarded.
a penne saved is a penne earned
MuR)Ernu
Profile Joined September 2008
Finland768 Posts
February 06 2009 07:07 GMT
#125
On February 06 2009 14:33 inReacH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2009 11:03 MuR)Ernu wrote:
Inreach...
I think you are one of the most bad mannered posters i have seen here lately.
Whenever someone disagrees with you, you most likely start insulting them. That only really makes you look dumber.

But your posts are many times good too, you explain your points pretty well and stuff.
And the op was nice.

I looked up condescending from a dictionary, and if i understood it correctly, it suits your posting style well.

Often it seems that you replied only to make the other one feel bad about himself, you are like a bully

Be nicer please


Yes I agree completely, I am very often condescending.

The difference is this is a forum where any thread presence is completely voluntary.

There is a big difference between being a black belt and walking into a dojo and looking down on a bunch of beginners compared to some guy who knows nothing about a subject posting his misinformation for people to read. I really have no patience for ignorance when it is accompanied with anything other than humility.

The worst part is that in this thread is that some are being ignorant and critical/dismissive, which I don't think many people would disagree is the worst kind. It's the same mindset as racism, it's not against a people thank god, but it still bothers me.

Welcome to the internet.

Anyways, if your readers see that your text is well written, people will naturally be more respectful.
Unless they are trolling/idiots.

And when people are ignorant and stuff, well, it is better to just tell them that in a calm manner and possibly even explain/elaborate the stuff they clearly don't understand.

Or just ignoring them.


Hating on them just brings up more hate from everybody X)
inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
February 06 2009 07:16 GMT
#126
Eh I can handle it

BTW:

Grrrrrrrrr I just auto-conceded in the round of 8 of a 1v1 bnet tourny because my windows clock is 3 minutes behind bnet time.

7-0 drop ftw
Xypher
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1 Post
February 06 2009 12:51 GMT
#127
Can I post yet?
Gray_Fox
Profile Joined December 2007
Philippines25 Posts
February 07 2009 01:46 GMT
#128
On February 05 2009 19:39 FrozenArbiter wrote:
WCReplays.com
There's already a poster called Grey or Grayfox (or f0x) or something there tho xD!! I think anyway, it seems so familiar.


well that's not me :-) thx btw
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