A simple little graphics comparison done in 1080 on a decent rig. Should give people a idea what each setting by itself does and what it changes and how it looks. Performance wise every setting alone did not effect my frame rate at all (110fps always) untill setting everything to high which resulted in 76fps. I think the games max is 110 but im not 100% sure on that.
Overall I hope this helps people decide if turning that one setting up is worth it or not. And if a upgrade would even be worth it. I have gotten used to running maxed but if I had only ever played on low I dont think I would feel all that left out, Still a very decent looking game. I think for overall feel turning grass & tress to 100% and shaders and shadows to high would be best. bloom,af dont seem to have much of an effect. I wonder how much better the game would have looked with the full high res textures we now know are being withheld from us
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Mr Reid's posts related to the high res textures issue were kind of mind-boggling. No need to be an expert on technology and PR to understand that there is an underlying issue. I also don't understand why Bioware doesn't admit that in its current state, TOR's engine isn't well optimized.
A lot of MMOs have problems at release so I'm going to wait a couple of patches and see what happens then I'll think about buying the game and suscribing
On January 12 2012 15:08 Al Bundy wrote: Mr Reid's posts related to the high res textures issue were kind of mind-boggling. No need to be an expert on technology and PR to understand that there is an underlying issue. I also don't understand why Bioware doesn't admit that in its current state, TOR's engine isn't well optimized.
A lot of MMOs have problems at release so I'm going to wait a couple of patches and see what happens then I'll think about buying the game and suscribing
Yeah following that logic it's like "Why do we have a medium setting? Some guy could set his game to medium and, because of his bad PC, it would stuttr. So let's remove medium". Also - I dont really understand the technical reason - so someone can enlighten me? What I think they do: A texture call is expensive, so they overload a texture with information (so it contains 2 textures in 1) and jump around in it. Basically if we have a cube and each side has a different texture so they use one big texture (containing the 6 sides) and just "know" where in the texture each side is. So what's stopping them to use a high-texture atlas? Sure you need more ram to store them - but that's just a requirement for the userPC.
On January 12 2012 15:08 Al Bundy wrote: Mr Reid's posts related to the high res textures issue were kind of mind-boggling. No need to be an expert on technology and PR to understand that there is an underlying issue. I also don't understand why Bioware doesn't admit that in its current state, TOR's engine isn't well optimized.
A lot of MMOs have problems at release so I'm going to wait a couple of patches and see what happens then I'll think about buying the game and suscribing
Yeah following that logic it's like "Why do we have a medium setting? Some guy could set his game to medium and, because of his bad PC, it would stuttr. So let's remove medium". Also - I dont really understand the technical reason - so someone can enlighten me? What I think they do: A texture call is expensive, so they overload a texture with information (so it contains 2 textures in 1) and jump around in it. Basically if we have a cube and each side has a different texture so they use one big texture (containing the 6 sides) and just "know" where in the texture each side is. So what's stopping them to use a high-texture atlas? Sure you need more ram to store them - but that's just a requirement for the userPC.
The problem with using the texture atlas is that each atlas is treated as one unit by the GPU. Thus, if you put too much into one atlas to save calls to memory, then you have on rigid object that can't animate at all. That's why there aren't high-resolution textures in the game currently, because even with the texture atlasing, it still takes too many calls to memory to render that many characters on screen.
That said, Stephen Reid did say they're working on graphical improvements for the next major patch, 1.2.
Edit: to answer your question, a texture atlas is a bunch of textures saved as one "object" that gets sent to the GPU instead of the textures being sent individually. This speeds up the processing time required since you're sending fewer objects to the GPU.
I didnt expect Zash to be trying to take my body with the ritual, was an amazing twist, along with her ending up in khem val's body LOL. Then to have the other guy send me off to die right away :-(
Also im really enjoying pvp, im only 33 so i struggle vs the ever increasing amounts of 50's. Still fun as hell though :-)
To the guy saying how Huttball would never be balanced because of the need to use force pulls / pushes / knockbacks...It promotes a hell of alot of teamplay, which is a good thing...
Just because you cant tank all the way to the goal with the ball :-( Seriously.
People should be defending you, stunning / keeping away those people that are trying to push you off the edge. Certain classes can force jump to friendly / enemy players alike, if you fall off you can get back up. If your not that class theres another that can PULL you back up.
And then if you get knocked off, try not being greedy and passing up to the team :O.
I agree sometimes the stunlock can be a bit aggrivating and tedious, but tbh if its done by more then 2 people then its fair game.
Why do people come in here and expect to faceroll everyone? if huttball was like that, then tanks would grab the ball and just walk off with it. It would just become the spam of who could get the ball fastest + random ganking for 3~ minutes.
So in short, you talk about something you have no idea about and expect to have some discussion? Your last line sums that the best. Thats how exactly random a hutball match looks. And "random" ganking happens couse hey guess what, pvp rewarding system is abysmal exactly like the whole pvp in this game is abysmal at this point so it promotes random ganking and dragging the game instead of actually winning fast.
So enjoy questing and leveling couse it is actually good, but dont try to convince anyone that pvp in this game is good. It will be maybe good after 3-6 months of patches and constant work on tons of issues that have been listed in this thread so many times it actually hurts to have to repeat em for x time. If you want competitive and semi balanced pvp go play WoW.
I dont know why i keep coming into this thread to get flamed to **** by all the people who apparently love trolling and consistently complaining about something they dont like...Its annoying i cant resist.
I dont see how i have no idea about it? What, because i disagree with your bullshit QQ? Dont be so fucking aggressive.
Im valor R40 so i think i'd have a FAIR idea about how the PvP aspect works. The only things i see "broken" are the ability delay (which i hardly notice i must say, but i know its there and people cry to their parents about it all day long.) and the reward system, but its new at release what did you expect, they're fixing Ilum as i speak. After that its disorganise idiots, known as PUG's causing the majority of my problems. When people dont play as a team, the whole thing goes to shit. Which i think is your problem, you get roflstomped so you think its unbalanced.
Seriously if you dont think teamwork and counter stuns / pulls etc balance eachother out, your silly mate. Ive seen it happen time after time anyway. There really is no problem with it. The only problem i can see is being stunlocked by 1-2 people for longer then 6s, if theres more then 2, you cant really complain as your a target if you have the ball, and you should have defence and CD's to get you out of them. (Here's a tip: Dont use them at the first chance you get. they're baiting you -_- I can literally force slow some people to get them to use CD then stun and knock them off, dumbasses.) Positioning helps too.
Your complaining about the way the warzone was designed, it was designed around the pulls/pushes/stuns blah blah, someone force pushes you off, your team pulls you back up..you get stunned, team stun enemy. You cant be pulled up, team runs to goal and you pass up to them. Its magic, really. If you dont like the way the warzone is played out, then im sorry. But theres not really a fundamental balance problem with it.
I cant comment on class balance as im not level 50, nor have i played in a level 50 only bracket (like any of you.) so i wont, ive never bothered myself with class balance anyway.
Im glad they're finally adding the 50 bracket, came a week too late if you ask me. Been getting facerolled by geared 50's all week XD i guess they needed to wait for it to flesh out so there wouldnt be long queues.
And WoW competitive and semi-balanced? I dont even know where to begin, but dont do it in this thread ffs. Decent MMO PvP was DAoC, GW, L2. And guess what, they all had their fair share of imbalance. (L2 Archers, GW Obs spikes to name the first that come to mind.) Just keep it out of this thread so it doesnt devolve into pointless WoW vs SWTOR crap and get everyone banned
Im valor R40 so i think i'd have a FAIR idea about how the PvP aspect works.
It's like writing you have 1000 matches in SC2 makes you have idea how stuff works. No, it dosnt,
When people dont play as a team, the whole thing goes to shit. Which i think is your problem, you get roflstomped so you think its unbalanced.
Yeah, no.
Your complaining about the way the warzone was designed, it was designed around the pulls/pushes/stuns blah blah, someone force pushes you off, your team pulls you back up..you get stunned, team stun enemy. You cant be pulled up, team runs to goal and you pass up to them. Its magic, really. If you dont like the way the warzone is played out, then im sorry. But theres not really a fundamental balance problem with it.
I like to PvP. I dont like to chase raid boss (aka tank) with 2 pocket healers on his ass. For you it's pvp. For me its not.
And WoW competitive and semi-balanced? I dont even know where to begin, but dont do it in this thread ffs. Decent MMO PvP was DAoC, GW, L2. And guess what, they all had their fair share of imbalance. (L2 Archers, GW Obs spikes to name the first that come to mind.)
Last line again the best. Yep, Lineage 2 in which endgame PvP was Olympiad which was just a alliance points share fest with people feeding characters their alliance leaders designed em to do and dependace on raid boss jewelery which made said daggers one shot (i actually mean one shot, like one button dead) others. Yes, i am clueless by not seeing the awesomness of that. L2 was open world pvp based game, its completly different from what SwToR offers, and closest thing to SwToR is WoW. That's why when i hear that PvP in SWToR is good i compare it to WoW not to semi sandbox game.
Really? WoW hasn't had anything near competitive or balanced pvp in ages. They massively dropped the ball this expansion and continually have seasons completely destroyed by overpowered class/compositions and gear. Saying Old Republic has bad pvp is fine, but suggesting WoW is the game to turn too is a joke.
It's a joke couse its only competitive MMO that is currently playable? Also last year's Blizzcon Arena Tourneament was best and propably most balanced from all they ever hosted, way better even when WoW Arena had E-Sport status.
You call my oppinion about state of PvP in this game bullshit QQ, you write that you have R40 which means actually NOTHING couse in this game you get ranks for just participating in PvP, you write to me that i have to use CD's and CC at right times and my reason to point out that PvP in this game is bad is me dying with complete disregard to fact that i could possibly be 2500 rated player from WoW which belive me gives me the ability to understand limitations of this poor copy cat of WoW pvp and then you end discussion (couse you know, it's discussion) with accusing me of being angry teenager. Okey.
EDIT: Oh, you are the dude that compared bugs and balance of SC2 relase to SWToR. By all means, im angry teenager and please do not talk to me anymore.
On January 12 2012 19:02 Narw wrote: You call my oppinion about state of PvP in this game bullshit QQ, you write that you have R40 which means actually NOTHING couse in this game you get ranks for just participating in PvP, you write to me that i have to use CD's and CC at right times and my reason to point out that PvP in this game is bad is me dying with complete disregard to fact that i could possibly be 2500 rated player from WoW which belive me gives me the ability to understand limitations of this poor copy cat of WoW pvp and then you end discussion (couse you know, it's discussion) with accusing me of being angry teenager. Okey.
Newsflash: You told me i had no clue about anything before i called your "opinion" anything. So dont start.
Also, You being "2500 rated player from WoW" while explaining alot about your opinion and personality. Doesnt mean a whole lot.
I experience EXACTLY what you do when i pvp, did you notice the 10-50 brackets by chance? God, i had no idea nor care for what XX rank you had in X game, "complete disregard" for it? Have you regard for what PvP ive done in any MMO's? No? Because i havent said anything?! Dejavu.
You argued about huttball being stuns / pushes / pulls etc. Its the design of the warzone, and i argued that. Its like saying WoW PvP is fucking gay because of alterac valley, a zerg rush for the towers and bosses. Hell, 40 players on each side happily run past eachother initiating "high fives" on the way to the NPC's.
THAT, is the design of the BG allowing it, flawed yes.
You cannot turn round and say "its like playing 1000 sc matches and saying you know how it works". I cannot comment on balance, as i already said, as i am not 50 and have not played in a 50 only bracket, or 1v1. Much like all the people here, who still complain.
I CAN comment on how the warzones play out, and how they are played, the tendancies and skills of other classes / players. Because i have experienced them, a hell of alot and my brain tends to function. I understand them, shock horror.
Now drop the damn WoW e-peen talk and either PM me to continue this or go back and play it. Prefferably the latter.
BTW, i love how you think if someone is not "2500 rated player" your opinion is nothing, in a different game. I could tell you all my pointless achievements in online games, how competitively ive played in different genre's, titles blah dee blah. Unfortunately, i consider peoples opinions regardless of how good they are :O.
Even when, they are uselessly bashing and "nitpicking" tiny details about a game, or complaining about silly things. I dont defend anything people complain about anymore, as long as they are justified tbh.
Ability delay? yup, its there. Class Imbalance? IDK, keeping out of it. Bugs? Yeah ok.
The thing is, they come in this thread and SMASH the game to tiny little pieces when its only been released, its like seeing a baby fall over and saying, WTF ALCOHOLIC! Sure the game shouldnt have so many bugs etc, but ive explained before this happens with every game -_- give it a few months rather then demanding the game is crucified. Ive explained this all too many times though.
I think i get too bored when im waiting for the servers
well if anyone can remember my comment about my Powertech earlier and how I hated PvP on him (lv 41), I re rolled Sin and holy fuck dude PvP is ACTUALLY FUN. Level 26 and was absolutely annihilating, I got top damage in the Civil War and was taking on people left and right. Love this class, got a 3.5k crit on some guy!
On January 12 2012 19:02 Narw wrote: You call my oppinion about state of PvP in this game bullshit QQ, you write that you have R40 which means actually NOTHING couse in this game you get ranks for just participating in PvP, you write to me that i have to use CD's and CC at right times and my reason to point out that PvP in this game is bad is me dying with complete disregard to fact that i could possibly be 2500 rated player from WoW which belive me gives me the ability to understand limitations of this poor copy cat of WoW pvp and then you end discussion (couse you know, it's discussion) with accusing me of being angry teenager. Okey.
Newsflash: You told me i had no clue about anything before i called your "opinion" anything. So dont start.
Also, You being "2500 rated player from WoW" while explaining alot about your opinion and personality. Doesnt mean a whole lot.
I experience EXACTLY what you do when i pvp, did you notice the 10-50 brackets by chance? God, i had no idea nor care for what XX rank you had in X game, "complete disregard" for it? Have you regard for what PvP ive done in any MMO's? No? Because i havent said anything?! Dejavu.
You argued about huttball being stuns / pushes / pulls etc. Its the design of the warzone, and i argued that. Its like saying WoW PvP is fucking gay because of alterac valley, a zerg rush for the towers and bosses. Hell, 40 players on each side happily run past eachother initiating "high fives" on the way to the NPC's.
THAT, is the design of the BG allowing it, flawed yes.
You cannot turn round and say "its like playing 1000 sc matches and saying you know how it works". I cannot comment on balance, as i already said, as i am not 50 and have not played in a 50 only bracket, or 1v1. Much like all the people here, who still complain.
I CAN comment on how the warzones play out, and how they are played, the tendancies and skills of other classes / players. Because i have experienced them, a hell of alot and my brain tends to function. I understand them, shock horror.
Now drop the damn WoW e-peen talk and either PM me to continue this or go back and play it. Prefferably the latter.
BTW, i love how you think if someone is not "2500 rated player" your opinion is nothing, in a different game. I could tell you all my pointless achievements in online games, how competitively ive played in different genre's, titles blah dee blah. Unfortunately, i consider peoples opinions regardless of how good they are :O.
Even when, they are uselessly bashing and "nitpicking" tiny details about a game, or complaining about silly things. I dont defend anything people complain about anymore, as long as they are justified tbh.
Ability delay? yup, its there. Class Imbalance? IDK, keeping out of it. Bugs? Yeah ok.
The thing is, they come in this thread and SMASH the game to tiny little pieces when its only been released, its like seeing a baby fall over and saying, WTF ALCOHOLIC! Sure the game shouldnt have so many bugs etc, but ive explained before this happens with every game -_- give it a few months rather then demanding the game is crucified. Ive explained this all too many times though.
I think i get too bored when im waiting for the servers
So in short you agree PvP in this game is bad. Thanks.
Nah, PvP isn't really fun. Playing as level50 with/vs Level10s is no fun! And the rewarding system for PvP is total RNG Crap! If you are lucky you get full-pvp-set in 10 bags and if you're unlucky you open 50 bags and only get like 1-2 items. Right now, I will just finish the class-stories for my Juggernaut&Saboteur and if the Endgame is still that boring I won't pay for another month.
On January 12 2012 19:36 Rikke wrote: Nah, PvP isn't really fun. Playing as level50 with/vs Level10s is no fun! And the rewarding system for PvP is total RNG Crap! If you are lucky you get full-pvp-set in 10 bags and if you're unlucky you open 50 bags and only get like 1-2 items. Right now, I will just finish the class-stories for my Juggernaut&Saboteur and if the Endgame is still that boring I won't pay for another month.
Dude, there is a level 50 bracket AND the non-RNG gear being added this month
On January 12 2012 19:36 Rikke wrote: Nah, PvP isn't really fun. Playing as level50 with/vs Level10s is no fun! And the rewarding system for PvP is total RNG Crap! If you are lucky you get full-pvp-set in 10 bags and if you're unlucky you open 50 bags and only get like 1-2 items. Right now, I will just finish the class-stories for my Juggernaut&Saboteur and if the Endgame is still that boring I won't pay for another month.
Dude, there is a level 50 bracket AND the non-RNG gear being added this month
Narw, you proved me right, ty.
This is a finished product for which you pay 55-60 euros and pay monthly subscription with 5 years in development not some free to play mmo. Get some standards, at this point pvp in this game is uter joke due to TONS of issues listed in this thread for so many times it actually gets funny that you still keep comming with "but they told/i hope they will fix/add that stuff!".
Yeah, it would clearly have been better for you 50ies to not get into BG at all because there would not have been enough 50ies...
ugh... Stop talking about balance before rated PvP/BG's is in, it's just R E T A R D E D. You can talk about the groundlying mechanics (the tons of stuns for instance) but balance? Rofl.
On January 11 2012 10:25 Tektos wrote: Yeah I've been happy with all of the ilum patch updates I'm just a little upset that you can't use companions, it means there is no real PVP that you can have with your companion.
So what is the purpose of gearing up a companion if all you ever use it for is daily quests? (which I don't do, the daily quest rewards are sub-par).
while i agree in some ways, pvp can be a bit ridiculous with companions my 47 smuggler was facing off against a 46 Merc yesterday and it was pretty ridiculous, we had probably close to a 7-8 minute duel it was alot of fun to be honest, but it did take a long time.
I finally won
Without companions it probably would have ended within a minute or so, (with me losing probably as my companions was keeping me alive and he had a dps companion and was healing himself)
there is still tons of open world pvp though, on hoth today on my server republic started a huge group to go take down imperials trying to take down the world boss there.
Would be kind of cool to have a pvp set specifically for your companion, i think they will add some pvp that has to do with companions eventually though. Their are so many opportunities for them to expand on companions in the late game, i cant wait to see what they come up with.
I really want them to add high res textures again!!! I understand why they dont though considering some pc's (even high end ones) are already having trouble running the game, once they get that sorted out though i think they will add it back in.
The game looked really good in beta (better id say) and they didnt even have high settings enabled when i was playing in beta.
50 brackets will be added before the end of january thats like a week or so away. Not to mention ilum pvp, between that i think 50's should be pretty happy with the pvp.
I dunno though ,im really happy with this game so far, beyond the end game there is just soooo much freaking content between class stories and all the planets i didnt finish ( there isnt a single planet i have done every quest on) when i think ive finished a planet i realise how much more there is , for instance i was levelling up today in the 46-48 zone in hoth, there is 6 heroics in that zone and a ton of quests and i missed all of alderaan, and didnt check out the higher level parts of nar shadaa (level 31 ish). Between new classes and choosing different options and going with a different advanced class that is more content then ill beable to handle in the next 6 months. Personally im really happy they decided to refine the levelling experience for this game, refinement in the end game can and will come soon , Im not even 50 yet so i cant really say what end game is like, but i will be 50 in the next day or so and i dont think anyone beyond the most hardcore of hardcore will get through end game content before they release more.
I really enjoyed belsavis though i did most of the quest there it was a ton of fun cant wait to get back there to do the dailies at 50.
So I bought the game this week. It's been out for like a month I think? I've been having a lot of fun playing. For such a massive game they seem to be coming along pretty well. Not sure why everyone likes to complain about stuff so much. The story is pretty awesome, I love the way the gear works, lots of quests to do, lots of places to explore, takes a long time to level up, and the pvp is pretty fun. Not really a fan of Huttball, or space combat but I can deal, maybe they will do like Star Wars Galaxies and make an expansion just to add cool stuff like flying around in space and space pvp and stuff. That would be pretty sweet. Overall I think it's pretty awesome, and I am really excited for them to hammer out the problems they are having to appease the kids, and to just keep adding stuff and make this the best MMO world out there.
EPT
if huttball was like that, then tanks would grab the ball and just walk off with it. It would just become the spam of who could get the ball fastest + random ganking for 3~ minutes.
