[HoN/DotA] Let's Play~!! - Page 845

On April 22 2010 02:18 MYM.Testie wrote:
Heen are you still around ?!?

On April 22 2010 03:17 rabidch wrote:

Yeah, but I don't want broodmother, weaver, ursa, drow fking running around with lifesteal and deso (holy shit deso weaver??) etc. bitches are annoying enough already. the only hero it does any good for is antimage and he's not a terrible pick

its difficult to implement in wc3 engine but its not impossible.
annoying to implement feature that will for sure cause annoying balance issues in the future => why would you want to implement this other than to get rid of all those tidbits of orb effects caused by the wc3 engine

On April 22 2010 04:30 Pokebunny wrote:
So can I ask a question without getting bitchy answers from everyone, or if I ask a serious question, will everyone just say "you're bad stfu ze"?

On April 22 2010 03:26 L wrote:
Feel free to read your own argument from past pages. Your statement was that a game which needed community intervention was a bad game. Period.

He is in ST2 along with O.sagat. Its a hard ban for both there. In the american scene only akuma is banned. In HD remix, Japan has allowed akuma for some time, whereas the american scene rebanned him.

Either way, either something is banned or it isn't. There is no soft ban. Either something is against a tournament's rules or it isn't. There's no "oh well, that's kinda faggy" because if it isn't against the rules people will do it.

Actually it is. The devs haven't been able to code half of the stuff that the community implements. While its admirable and laudable that they should and can fix the problems, at the end of the day its the players who have the final say of what they allow in their games in a situation in which they have power to regulate; IE in tournaments and such. And again, there are arcade games which do receive updates. That doesnt' stop tournaments from enacting bans. If a tournament wanted to run a prohibition on running more than 2 loops of any infinite combo in mvc, for instance, they would be perfectly able to do that.

Neither do you, yet people will still do it in pubs, and do it exclusively in pubs because you can't do that shit in ih games or tournament matches. The entire attempt to justify it is an attempt to justify its use in pubs because its simply NOT ALLOWED in other game formats. Its irrelevant if half the pubs don't know what BD is; its mostly the fault of obfuscation and shitty arguments from people like you who don't even know what BD is.

Err, we push up your ramp, we get into a team fight we finish the team fight and win with 2 of us remaining. Our last kill involves both of us being on the bottom of the ramp, say, a puck. He jaunts away, but we have a clock that hooks him or some shit and we kill him. We walk back, 10 seconds have passed and we were just fighting up your ramp, but the shield's up. Now we can't finish the 150 hp rax because your carry just bb'd and we need to wait 30 seconds for creeps to arrive.

Yeah, your fix works alright, except that it materially alters the game in non-backdoor situations.

Again. I'm sitting in my base with THD. 30 seconds till my allies respawn. its 1v5. I macropyre all your creeps and they die, then run to my fountain. All the creeps die before they get up the ramp. Shields up, fucker, can't touch my base till 30 seconds pass and all my team is up.

YEAH, YOUR FIX WORKS ALRIGHT.

1 Creep reaches the bottom tower after ES fissure placed it off the path and so it skipped creeps. Clinkz starts BDing top.

THIS FIX IS FANTASTIC.
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. VS wouldn't autotarget the tower and a push wouldn't be sitting on the bottom of a ramp without creeps having pushed them up that far. VS also can't swap up the ramp without vision which typically comes from creeps or a proxy ward (but mostly creeps). You clearly don't know why the BD rule exists or what its meant to prevent if you think that a VS swapping up a ramp during a push is a contravention of the rule.

On April 22 2010 04:55 MYM.Testie wrote:
I already broke the news to him.
He hasn't been the same since.

On April 22 2010 04:43 JeeJee wrote:


yeah and i stand by it. if version1 of the game has an imba char, and version2 does not, version1 is a bad game and version2 is not. that doesn't mean you can suddenly use imba char in version1 even if its fixed in version2. way to make sense. and yes, like i've said, st2 is a bad game by virtue of akuma being in it. for the sake of enjoyment though, that little fact is ignored and the game is salvaged ze

re: soft/hard bans, i'm afraid you're unfamiliar with the scene. i have no inclination to continue arguing over something that shouldn't even be a point to argue, since it's not a matter of opinion, it's just fact ze

re: playing what you get vs playing an updated game. you make no sense. dota isn't static, dota changes. otoh, take a widespread arcade game and it's going to stay the same until it's removed ze

sure, tournament could run whatever rules they want. if i want to run a starcraft tournament with only island/semi-island maps, i damn well can. doesn't say anything about the game though and isn't relevant here ze

oh i'm aware of what BD is; i don't think you understand the nuances. if you win a teamfight outside the base but there's no creeps to push in, you can't go in and kill, it's bd. in your macropyre example, it doesn't make sense. what you're saying is a team can go in without creeps and raze the opponent's base just because the creeps died CLOSE to the base? doesn't count. they're either in or they're out. if you use your approach, define close? 50range from bottom of ramp? 100 range? a bit further? how much further? somewhere, you're going to have to draw the line, and then you'll whine again that oh it's CLOSE to the line. no, you're either in or you're out. again, the fix works, your examples don't make sense ze

yes, vs would autotarget the tower, try it sometime. you delay clicking the walk command due to lag or something, she wont be standing there, she'll be attacking the only thing in range: the tower. vision problem doesn't even exist. wards or daytime and it's gone; either way not relevant ze

i know the reason the bd rule exists, i'm showing you that it's not foolproof and situations which directly break the rule are in general ignored because it's only a little bit of damage or something along those lines. that doesn't make sense, something either breaks the bd rule or it doesn't. a vs teleporting/blinking/whatever-you-wanna-call-it inside the enemy base and attacking a tower without creep support breaks it. for someone who can't understand the notion of a softban, i'm surprised you also don't understand this ze

of course i'm aware that stray hits on the tower is a minor rulebreak (i.e. if you repeat it several times you'll get in trouble but once? nahh) but an actual fix just makes it all the more robust

ze.

On April 22 2010 08:25 JeeJee wrote:
it's funny because you nor your arguments make any sense actually ze.

vs magically seeing uphills has nothing to do with the example i brought up. the fact that you focus on that completely irrelevant aspect shows you have no idea how to respond to the actual point i'm making, but to humour you i have explained several times how vs can swap someone sitting uphill. but again i congratulate you on completely missing the point ze.

and again, the issue with the macropyre example isn't that the thd can defend a 5man push, it's the fact that you said a team can push into the enemy's base with no creep support and call it not bd. again i congratulate you on completely missing the point ze.

i admire that you finally figured out you make no sense though ze.

On April 22 2010 08:46 L wrote:

Your trolololol was good before I figured it out.

Now its just sad.