• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:07
CEST 05:07
KST 12:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon205.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes26Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch2[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)99
StarCraft 2
General
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Is the larve respawn broken? ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play
Tourneys
Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! INu's Battles#17 <BO.9>
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch Best thing happen to StarCraft since Remastered? BW General Discussion ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool ProGamer Paychecks Story
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
[94721]Better Good-Health Signs Than 3-15 Bans/Yea TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Men's Fashion Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5085 users

[HoN/DotA] Let's Play~!! - Page 1537

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 1535 1536 1537 1538 1539 1664 Next
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
September 07 2011 06:02 GMT
#30721
On September 07 2011 14:06 macmann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 13:22 JeeJee wrote:
On September 07 2011 11:42 bkrow wrote:
In terms of super late game without the impact of items i think stats gain is pretty important; arachna has a crazy agility gain - i think it's that highest at +3.2 meaning she will scale really well as the levels get higher. Other big ones are dark lady (+3.1) and night hound (+2.9) - there are quite a few agi heroes hovering around the 2.8 mark.

If you combine that with her passive in terms of auto attack damage output arachna is beastly; plus she is ranged. But then again madman does look the coolest so it is a tough one.


Yeah. That's why pudge and silencer are the hardest carries since they're the only heroes in the game with unlimited stat growth.

Silencer's int gain will stop once all 5 enemy heroes have 0 int.
Pudge is the hardest carry.


nah it doesn't they just get negative int
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
macmann
Profile Joined May 2011
87 Posts
September 07 2011 06:13 GMT
#30722
On September 07 2011 15:02 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 14:06 macmann wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:22 JeeJee wrote:
On September 07 2011 11:42 bkrow wrote:
In terms of super late game without the impact of items i think stats gain is pretty important; arachna has a crazy agility gain - i think it's that highest at +3.2 meaning she will scale really well as the levels get higher. Other big ones are dark lady (+3.1) and night hound (+2.9) - there are quite a few agi heroes hovering around the 2.8 mark.

If you combine that with her passive in terms of auto attack damage output arachna is beastly; plus she is ranged. But then again madman does look the coolest so it is a tough one.


Yeah. That's why pudge and silencer are the hardest carries since they're the only heroes in the game with unlimited stat growth.

Silencer's int gain will stop once all 5 enemy heroes have 0 int.
Pudge is the hardest carry.


nah it doesn't they just get negative int

u r right about that
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
September 07 2011 07:06 GMT
#30723
no worries, the difference is that puj hits harder and gets tankier while silencer just hits harder, puj ez imo
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
September 07 2011 07:09 GMT
#30724
silencer just hits harder, puj ez imo


Worth mentioning that in Hon at least Silencer does True Damage based off his int so that can get really scary lategame.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 07:10:20
September 07 2011 07:09 GMT
#30725
On September 07 2011 15:02 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 14:06 macmann wrote:
On September 07 2011 13:22 JeeJee wrote:
On September 07 2011 11:42 bkrow wrote:
In terms of super late game without the impact of items i think stats gain is pretty important; arachna has a crazy agility gain - i think it's that highest at +3.2 meaning she will scale really well as the levels get higher. Other big ones are dark lady (+3.1) and night hound (+2.9) - there are quite a few agi heroes hovering around the 2.8 mark.

If you combine that with her passive in terms of auto attack damage output arachna is beastly; plus she is ranged. But then again madman does look the coolest so it is a tough one.


Yeah. That's why pudge and silencer are the hardest carries since they're the only heroes in the game with unlimited stat growth.

Silencer's int gain will stop once all 5 enemy heroes have 0 int.
Pudge is the hardest carry.


nah it doesn't they just get negative int

best part is when dr repulsor hits int of 0 he can ult indefinitely, shame he starts with 25 int and 2.5? int gain a level.
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
September 07 2011 07:21 GMT
#30726
On September 07 2011 16:06 Kupon3ss wrote:
no worries, the difference is that puj hits harder and gets tankier while silencer just hits harder, puj ez imo

So what happens when a hero with infinite damage hits a hero with infinite hp? hmmmmm
macmann
Profile Joined May 2011
87 Posts
September 07 2011 07:33 GMT
#30727
On September 07 2011 16:21 GhostKorean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 16:06 Kupon3ss wrote:
no worries, the difference is that puj hits harder and gets tankier while silencer just hits harder, puj ez imo

So what happens when a hero with infinite damage hits a hero with infinite hp? hmmmmm

blademail.
[image loading]
hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
September 07 2011 07:37 GMT
#30728
On September 07 2011 12:28 AndyJay wrote:
A funny thing in HoN I've seen is a farmed SW become pretty useless late game when everyone on the other team gets a nullstone. His ult literally does nothing if their nullstones are up.


Valk ult is pretty neat for this too. Tad more practical than farming 5 nullstones.
wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
September 07 2011 08:29 GMT
#30729
So what happens when a hero with infinite damage hits a hero with infinite hp? hmmmmm


Has anyone actually tried this? If you can hit someone for more than their current hp in 1 hit will Blademail still trigger and kill you back in return?
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 09:02:03
September 07 2011 09:01 GMT
#30730
On September 07 2011 17:29 wonderwall wrote:
Show nested quote +
So what happens when a hero with infinite damage hits a hero with infinite hp? hmmmmm


Has anyone actually tried this? If you can hit someone for more than their current hp in 1 hit will Blademail still trigger and kill you back in return?

I want to say yes

Also, pudge eventually becomes so tanky that he can just right click on buildings and ignore silencer (multiple hearts, etc). Not very likely to happen, but neither is a late game pudge vs silencer.

Endgame carry theory craft always gets a little silly though.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 09:23:09
September 07 2011 09:19 GMT
#30731
On September 07 2011 07:51 Rakanishu2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 07:00 wonderwall wrote:
So, TL, what is the hardest carry in HoN?


Have to be more specific. Highest potential dps on a single target? No clue I think Dark Lady is up there though. 1v1 carry wars? These are really situational and often depend on who initiates on who. The best carry to pick in a MM game? Valk and Magebane are up there as its so difficult to gank them and stop them from farming. Best carry in the pro scene? Silhouette recently in last weeks games.


I think what he means is, if one carry had high farm, when compared to other carries at the same farmed state, which is the strongest?

I this SW is a strong contender for hardest carry. If you can get him 2400 or so health (frostwulf and behemoths heart?), then he's extremely hard to bring down, and does huge damage to everyone. Nullfire or mock makes him do obscene damage. While at the same time, Frostwulf slowing everyone and draining some mana. Crazy.

Scout is definitely in the conversation. So is Dark Lady.




According to swindlemelonzz Silhouette is the hardest carry in HoN hands down. He even mentioned something about her winning against CD using conduit on her with just autoattacks and not using any skills. Sick.

Might also be a reason why sgty picks her for Tralfamadore every time they can.
+ Show Spoiler [sgty vs DM] +
Annihilation against Dirty Minds isn't something that happens often, isn't it?

Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
September 07 2011 09:26 GMT
#30732
Has there been any discussion about HoN getting its own subforum like Dota2 and LoL? TL being a site about competitive games when LoL has no tournaments aside from Riot sponsored events and Dota2 isn't out yet, with IPL/MLG as well as HoNtour (whatever that ends up being) coming up it seems like whoever made the decision to create the subforums didn't really know anything about the scene and just assumed HoN would die when Dota2 came out.
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
September 07 2011 09:51 GMT
#30733
And what would we talk about? There are like 10 people that would be on there
wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
September 07 2011 10:08 GMT
#30734

And what would we talk about? There are like 10 people that would be on ther


Sounds like the current Dota 2 forums.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
September 07 2011 10:10 GMT
#30735
On September 07 2011 19:08 wonderwall wrote:
Show nested quote +

And what would we talk about? There are like 10 people that would be on ther


Sounds like the current Dota 2 forums.

Zing.

With a subforum, discussions can take place about individual heroes as well as competitive events as more and more pick up, it'll certainly be more active than the Dota2 forum will before the game gets released, it's pretty much just the same post over and over right now, "I play LoL and what should I do before Dota2 comes out".
Gowerly
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom916 Posts
September 07 2011 10:51 GMT
#30736
Does DotA have the equivalent of predator (Naix?) that has a passive that does 8% of target's current HP in physical damage and heals for that? That's a good "counter" to a super tanky pudge.
I will reduce you to a series of numbers.
Phelix
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1931 Posts
September 07 2011 10:54 GMT
#30737
On September 07 2011 19:51 Gowerly wrote:
Does DotA have the equivalent of predator (Naix?) that has a passive that does 8% of target's current HP in physical damage and heals for that? That's a good "counter" to a super tanky pudge.

Predator has that skill in HoN. So now there's a character that can regain infinite health from an infinite strength gain Pudge. Who wins?
Venture Capital is better off spent on lottery tickets rather than investing in E-Sports; you'll get a far better return. The difference is simple: Koreans are tryharding at the game, foreigners are tryharding in real-life.
wonderwall
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
New Zealand695 Posts
September 07 2011 10:57 GMT
#30738
Predator has that skill in HoN. So now there's a character that can regain infinite health from an infinite strength gain Pudge. Who wins?


You run into the same paradox of what if Devourer has so much strength his damage is so high he can kill Predator in 1 hit before he can regen?
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
September 07 2011 11:00 GMT
#30739
On September 07 2011 19:54 Phelix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 19:51 Gowerly wrote:
Does DotA have the equivalent of predator (Naix?) that has a passive that does 8% of target's current HP in physical damage and heals for that? That's a good "counter" to a super tanky pudge.

Predator has that skill in HoN. So now there's a character that can regain infinite health from an infinite strength gain Pudge. Who wins?

Pudge wins, since Pred doesnt have an infinite amount of health he'll get 1-shot.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
TL+ Member
lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
September 07 2011 11:07 GMT
#30740
Blademail has a damage cap of 3k. Anything above 3k damage (or below 2 damage) in one hit is ignored. Just to bring some mechanics into this discussion. Also pudgeywudgey could just get a bkb.

For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
Prev 1 1535 1536 1537 1538 1539 1664 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
SEL Masters #7 - Day 1
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft585
ViBE271
Nina 152
RuFF_SC2 139
Ketroc 29
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3823
GuemChi 3245
Free 183
HiyA 116
Noble 77
Mind 72
Sharp 30
Bale 28
Terrorterran 16
yabsab 11
[ Show more ]
Purpose 6
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm163
Counter-Strike
taco 477
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1004
Other Games
summit1g9564
C9.Mang0632
PiGStarcraft459
Maynarde139
UpATreeSC51
JuggernautJason21
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1239
BasetradeTV366
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream163
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 132
• Adnapsc2 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush861
• Stunt360
Upcoming Events
CrankTV Team League
7h 53m
Bombastic Starleague
16h 53m
The PondCast
1d 6h
HomeStory Cup
1d 7h
Replay Cast
1d 20h
HomeStory Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
HomeStory Cup
3 days
OSC
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

YSL S3
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W1
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Heroes Pulsing #3
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.