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On May 09 2011 07:43 tube wrote:
1. of course i was farming, did you even read that segment
2. what do you mean had i initiated, they came to push our first tier mid tower while i was at a side lane, and when they came i was on my way; nor does that change the fact that a few of you just started bitching at me for leaving the lost teamfight so that i could die with you?
3. no i wasn't, i was on the cliff right next to rosh, if anyone still has that replay i would ask them to confirm for me
also my entire point was that you guys repeatedly just got really mad for seemingly no reason, and we weren't even in danger of losing the entire game yet somehow people started raging at me for not constantly following them
Just from the brief games I've played with you, I am not sure your situational awareness is all there at times. Just my 2 cents.
Edit:
Denmark vs. Ukraine G3, lesson in Dendi DotA. Maelk picked properly too.
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On May 09 2011 05:41 Ack1027 wrote:
Don't get me wrong. Merlini is and has always been a boss.
I just want him to admit that Hon takes less time/dedication so he can prioritize irl ;D
Edit: I don't see how haters gonna hate even applies to this scenario >_>
thanks to the chinese, its impossible to be one of the best in dota atm without taking periods of significant time off to train in dota. probably as many top level chinese teams in the dota scene now like players in the wc3 scene
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and theyre more dominant in dota than in wc3 since pre sc2 had koreans etc.
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More like thanks to the rotating roster bonaza and various people quitting, un-quitting, and then "retiring". MYM and DTS was so successful because of that reason, same reason why that Chinese Tyloo team is doing well now; raw talent only gets you so far.
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On May 09 2011 19:47 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 05:41 Ack1027 wrote:
Don't get me wrong. Merlini is and has always been a boss.
I just want him to admit that Hon takes less time/dedication so he can prioritize irl ;D
Edit: I don't see how haters gonna hate even applies to this scenario >_> thanks to the chinese, its impossible to be one of the best in dota atm without taking periods of significant time off to train in dota. probably as many top level chinese teams in the dota scene now like players in the wc3 scene edit: and theyre more dominant in dota than in wc3 since pre sc2 had koreans etc.
I was basically posting this so hon players who don't know merlini would understand that to be at the top of dota and the top of hon are different things. I started following this thread again once chinese dota players started owning so I know rabid.
Also lakers xD
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So let's see:
S2 was under DDOS attacks this weekend, I believe. Servers go down, can't log in, etc. Then things are "fixed." However, I still can't use stats, it takes me a minute to log in, and half the time I get "empty response from server." I just assumed it would fix itself after a couple days but it hasn't.
My internet works perfectly fine for everything else but HON, and now suddenly friends of mine who say it wasn't happening to them before are getting the exact same problems I am. And thanks to HON's rather stupid coding, such as being unable to cancel a stats request until it tells me I can't load the stats, that means that if I accidentally go to look then it takes 45+ seconds for me to close the window. I missed picking in a BP game because I accidentally statted, then I logged out to close it, then it took me 45 seconds to relog in.
The forums are also down for me, but apparently up for most people. My best guess is that S2 has limited certain IPs or bandwidth from them under the pretense that they have a similar range from which the DDOS attacks came. It doesn't make much sense that this has happened to me for 3-4 days while some of my friends were fine until a day ago.
Also, I don't understand how an actual company like S2 can be taken down by amateur kids. Is it really that easy to do a DDOS attack? Don't you need a lot of computers or something?
Hell, I don't even really care. I'd be ok with S2 just telling me it's damage control and that they'll fix it later. But I was able to get on the forums for about 5 minutes the other day and I saw some moron named [S2]KingKtulu or something like that telling someone with my exact problems that there is nothing wrong on S2's end, and that it's 100% on users' ends. I've done all sorts of troubleshooting to fix the problem, but having a dozen friends with my exact problems, and all of them being limited to HON and nothing else, leads me to conclude that as usual S2 is a disingenuous company completely incapable of simply telling the truth. Last time I was able to look they hadn't even mustered an official response to the attacks to even tell people what the fuck had happened.
I like HON, I don't complain about the things most idiots do, about imbalance, and new heros sucking, and all of that, but I really hate S2. This reminds me of the time ICCUP banned that city from its servers because there was one person hacking. It's unprofessional as fuck to do that without even admitting it or telling your customer base what you're doing. But then, S2 has never been anything close to professional.
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I wonder how many times ack threw out the S2 people are morons like 200 pages ago, and how many HoN players attempted to disparage that by saying it has no bearing on the game.
Like I said before, the S2 people really don't have a clue on what they're doing and that'll kill HoN before Dota 2 does. And I am basing that based on their previous titles and how "well" they supported that.
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On May 10 2011 01:09 Judicator wrote:
I wonder how many times ack threw out the S2 people are morons like 200 pages ago, and how many HoN players attempted to disparage that by saying it has no bearing on the game.
Like I said before, the S2 people really don't have a clue on what they're doing and that'll kill HoN before Dota 2 does. And I am basing that based on their previous titles and how "well" they supported that.
well you are wrong on a lot of things, but hey you dont play hon so it's pretty irrelevant to you.
s2 does dumb things, but they are far from unsupportive. they make a lot of changes based on player feedback ( for better or for worse [ goddamn testie]) and they patch the game with a relevant frequency.
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On May 10 2011 02:24 Etherone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 01:09 Judicator wrote:
I wonder how many times ack threw out the S2 people are morons like 200 pages ago, and how many HoN players attempted to disparage that by saying it has no bearing on the game.
Like I said before, the S2 people really don't have a clue on what they're doing and that'll kill HoN before Dota 2 does. And I am basing that based on their previous titles and how "well" they supported that. well you are wrong on a lot of things, but hey you dont play hon so it's pretty irrelevant to you. s2 does dumb things, but they are far from unsupportive. they make a lot of changes based on player feedback ( for better or for worse [ goddamn testie]) and they patch the game with a relevant frequency.
I think that S2 is good at updating the game and all the things involved in that but their public relations are TERRIBLE and that's what irritates me, especially when I'm getting shafted and they're blaming me/not telling the community what's happening.
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It seems to me that S2 has no official stance on anything. You have a problem/bug/grievance? You'll get a dozen different responses. None of which give you any resolution. Legionnaire is doing ridiculous damage due to a bug? "Use it and enjoy it while it lasts" and then "You might get banned for it". Continuing with this example, I would assume everybody who abused this bug would get the same punishment. Nope.
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my impression is that s2 is fairly split up and unorganized, that's why you have clowns like ganfei2 pointed out that make no sense saying it's on user's end because they aren't hon's sysadmins and just spew shit to make the playerbase happy (let's face it, if it's fixed for 90% of players, it's a hell of a lot easier to say "its fixed for everyone" than to go into details and 90% won't know the difference and be happy)
and as a result, there are very inconsistent decisions like lordweird pointed out .. like banning some people for X (cough testie cough) but not others, etc.
plus there's maliken
nuff said
that said, the game's good tho.
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On May 09 2011 23:57 Judicator wrote:
More like thanks to the rotating roster bonaza and various people quitting, un-quitting, and then "retiring". MYM and DTS was so successful because of that reason, same reason why that Chinese Tyloo team is doing well now; raw talent only gets you so far.
tyloos not doing that well now, they're only on LGDs level now or maybe lower, which is 2nd-ish (i believe tyloo's captain left after their DMT win). LGD's had a fairly stable roster for the past year, but they havent ever reached the domination they had before when they were setting the strategy standards. at the moment CCM's hold on 6.71b is on top even when Tyloo had their better roster, only losing here and there, and thats running on mostly talent.
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On May 10 2011 02:24 Etherone wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 01:09 Judicator wrote:
I wonder how many times ack threw out the S2 people are morons like 200 pages ago, and how many HoN players attempted to disparage that by saying it has no bearing on the game.
Like I said before, the S2 people really don't have a clue on what they're doing and that'll kill HoN before Dota 2 does. And I am basing that based on their previous titles and how "well" they supported that. well you are wrong on a lot of things, but hey you dont play hon so it's pretty irrelevant to you. s2 does dumb things, but they are far from unsupportive. they make a lot of changes based on player feedback ( for better or for worse [ goddamn testie]) and they patch the game with a relevant frequency.
See the posts below you for the point that I was making. Did I state game or game play? I am not saying they aren't supporting their game or don't care about community feedback, but these little things irk the player base more than any balance changes or patch notes simply because the latter at the very least encourages some kind of feedback while the former doesn't do much except annoy the client. It's not a case of not doing anything, it's a case of you're doing it wrong.
The reason why DotA took off the way it did is because Icefrog for all of his shortcomings was good and consistent at handling the growing community, you knew what you are getting. S2 on the other hand...is #questionmark. Part of that is due to Icefrog being the singular representative and S2 not, but really, the game's been out for a while now, these things really shouldn't be happening or rather should be handled in a much better manner.
On May 10 2011 03:04 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 23:57 Judicator wrote:
More like thanks to the rotating roster bonaza and various people quitting, un-quitting, and then "retiring". MYM and DTS was so successful because of that reason, same reason why that Chinese Tyloo team is doing well now; raw talent only gets you so far. tyloos not doing that well now, they're only on LGDs level now or maybe lower, which is 2nd-ish (i believe tyloo's captain left after their DMT win). LGD's had a fairly stable roster for the past year, but they havent ever reached the domination they had before when they were setting the strategy standards. at the moment CCM's hold on 6.71b is on top even when Tyloo had their better roster, only losing here and there, and thats running on mostly talent.
That's actually about consistent with the typical cycle in DotA; if you look at NA's history of teams and their success, China's team situation/landscape about right albeit in a fairly accelerated time frame.
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On May 10 2011 01:01 Ganfei2 wrote:
So let's see:
S2 was under DDOS attacks this weekend, I believe. Servers go down, can't log in, etc. Then things are "fixed." However, I still can't use stats, it takes me a minute to log in, and half the time I get "empty response from server." I just assumed it would fix itself after a couple days but it hasn't.
A DDoS attack messed up the login/game server and the forum server for less than a day. I think that is impressive considering that it happened on a weekend and the day before Mother's Day. Everything has been working flawlessly for me since.
On May 10 2011 01:01 Ganfei2 wrote:
My internet works perfectly fine for everything else but HON, and now suddenly friends of mine who say it wasn't happening to them before are getting the exact same problems I am. And thanks to HON's rather stupid coding, such as being unable to cancel a stats request until it tells me I can't load the stats, that means that if I accidentally go to look then it takes 45+ seconds for me to close the window. I missed picking in a BP game because I accidentally statted, then I logged out to close it, then it took me 45 seconds to relog in.
I never had/heard of this issue but I can see it occurring during the "downtime." You probably should have waited for the issue to be resolved rather than playing right after the attack, or right clicked a hero, or not tried to view the optional stats when the system was fragile. Either way, it's only one game. :S
On May 10 2011 01:01 Ganfei2 wrote:
The forums are also down for me, but apparently up for most people. My best guess is that S2 has limited certain IPs or bandwidth from them under the pretense that they have a similar range from which the DDOS attacks came. It doesn't make much sense that this has happened to me for 3-4 days while some of my friends were fine until a day ago.
Forums are working fine for me at the moment. They're pretty worthless to read so I don't know why you'd be so anxious to access them. I guess you wanted news on the attack but that's kind of unrealistic when they hit the forums. I think they were twitter or something to get immediate news but it wasn't important enough for me to follow.
On May 10 2011 01:01 Ganfei2 wrote:
Also, I don't understand how an actual company like S2 can be taken down by amateur kids. Is it really that easy to do a DDOS attack? Don't you need a lot of computers or something?
Cyber attacks are pretty easy. PSN was just hacked and everyone's personal information got accessed. That's magnitudes more serious.
On May 10 2011 01:01 Ganfei2 wrote:
Hell, I don't even really care. I'd be ok with S2 just telling me it's damage control and that they'll fix it later. But I was able to get on the forums for about 5 minutes the other day and I saw some moron named [S2]KingKtulu or something like that telling someone with my exact problems that there is nothing wrong on S2's end, and that it's 100% on users' ends. I've done all sorts of troubleshooting to fix the problem, but having a dozen friends with my exact problems, and all of them being limited to HON and nothing else, leads me to conclude that as usual S2 is a disingenuous company completely incapable of simply telling the truth. Last time I was able to look they hadn't even mustered an official response to the attacks to even tell people what the fuck had happened.
I doubt that KingKtulu is intentionally lying. I empathize if the problem is on S2's end and they say "It's your fault" rather than considering your specific issue. The game works for a lot of people and customer support should help those that are still having issues.
As for an official statement about the attacks, I agree that it would be nice. It's not difficult for them to make a thread with a short blurb about it and I don't know why they haven't done it. All in all, one day without HoN isn't the end of the world.
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DDoS attacks are magnitudes more simple than the PSN hack which required some knowledge about reading packets and exploitation. DDoS is just get a bunch of computers (which is relatively simple given how long people have been doing this in networks) and ping. In this way any idiot can do it.
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And there's no way to stop it? Seems too simple to not have some way to easily stop it
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On May 10 2011 10:11 GhostKorean wrote:
And there's no way to stop it? Seems too simple to not have some way to easily stop it
Some DDoS attacks are "exploits" like smurf attacks and SYN floods, there are a lot of measures to reduce the impact of DDoS plus better network-server infrastructure. But it's not gonna stop DDoS attacks. I don't really think it's S2's fault that they're getting targeted.
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On May 10 2011 10:11 GhostKorean wrote:
And there's no way to stop it? Seems too simple to not have some way to easily stop it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ddos_attack#Prevention_and_response
tons of ways to prevent it
however you'll notice that pretty much every solution has a except/but/unless in it, meaning it's not actually that simple at all
it's very much illegal though
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Hm where do you guys play dota most now? (out of the options I saw in the OP) Is it still gayrena?
I feel the sudden urge to learn dota again  .
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