EPTStormgate/Frost Giant Megathread - Page 5
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Riquiz
Netherlands402 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3392 Posts
Waiting for alpha footage, good to have an RTS development in 2022 though | ||
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112StaminaX
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
2984 Posts
On June 11 2022 08:12 NewSunshine wrote: I think it's worth remembering that for a brand new team, workshopping the game concept, coming up with a world and lore, characters, concept art, and actually developing a watchable trailer and possibly even a development build of the game, is a hell of a lot to accomplish in just a year and a half. That's a pretty quick turnaround time for a brand new major IP from a brand new studio. They sound a lot like they know what they want to make, and they're executing in pretty snappy order here. That gives me a positive impression of the overall trajectory, I think the final quality that we're in for could be quite high. I just hope this doesn't mean Frost Giant is under pressure to get this game out ASAP. That would be a real shame. I want these guys to take as much time as they need. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
I think another factor is that a lot of Blizzard folks had been really wanting to work on a Warcraft 4 or a Starcraft 3, but by then Activision leadership didn't think there was money in it and wouldn't give it the greenlight. But the passion for RTS games was still there, and these folks have ideas for stuff they've been wanting to see and do. | ||
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Riner1212
United States337 Posts
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SlyZ1
39 Posts
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Ludwigvan
Germany2371 Posts
On June 11 2022 16:22 SlyZ1 wrote: So a FTP Moba?....No please. it is sc2like-rts. the 3v3 might be more like a moba, i dont know. but the 1v1 isnt. | ||
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Sibeling
Sweden3 Posts
Totally fair to feedback on what they have shown though, which sadly seem to be very generic demons coming to fight the humans. Would have loved to see something a bit more imaginative for sure. I understand they want sc/wc fans to not find the new game completely foreign but I don't think that means you can't change it up at all... They had a completely blank slate. That said I am still hyped for the game. Gameplay is of course most important and yet to be seen and the communication from FrostGiant has been really good so far. Will be interesting to see more on sunday. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9396 Posts
In my opinion it is essential that moving and microing units feels great. Nothing else matters if they move in slow-motion, bad pathing or there is a large delay in the response. The Stormgate dev seems to understand that (as the first RTS studio) On other areas such as lethality and heroes; I would prefer something closer to Sc2. I am okay with a slight increase in HP, but WC3 units that doesn't die is not as satisfying to me. That said I am a bit open-minded in this area, and I don't think it has to be a deal breaker. I also like they want to reward lots of multitasking with action across the map. When it comes to make it more accessible for newer players (necessity if it has to reach a wider audience), they seem to be say a lot of the rights things - although it is yet to be seen if they are going far enough here. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On June 11 2022 02:35 TheDougler wrote: I really like the point about DotA here. I bet not even a fifth of people who’ve heard of DotA could tell you what that stands for. Does it even mean anything now? Or have they changed what it stands for? Because the original meaning is clearly a reference to an element of Night Elf lore which they can't use anymore, much like its predecessor AoS referenced Protoss lore. | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey418 Posts
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Fantasisa
2 Posts
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Miragee
8543 Posts
On June 12 2022 17:29 Fantasisa wrote: I think im going to vomit when i see another picture of an smiling asshole glorifying this vaporware Calling those things Interviews couldnt could be more wrong. The entire project is basically "Populism": They repeat every ciriticism in the history of RTS, promise you that they are going to fix them and promise you heaven. And they pay a bunch of people to smile and "THIS SOUNDS AWESOME". History anyone? STARCRAFT WARCRAFT BLIZZARD BTW That's a bit far with the history comparison, isn't it? But these interviews are extremely uncritical indeed... | ||
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
However I see games like PUBG regularly adding some stuff to the game including weapons and its working great.. Of course it is a super different type of game so the consequences are way different, you'd mostly pick a weapon and use it for the entire game. But keeping things fresh by bringing in some new stuff smartly designed rather regularly seems quite good for it. So.. I suppose that can be experimented with for a RTS. It just sounds really difficult to do. [seems like most important is to make sure any addition is far from OP] Anyway I like the aspect on the screenshots tbh. I'm really curious to see more etc. | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
Call down 10 nukes - 3$ Change match result - 5$ Lower your MMR by 400 and lock it there for convenient smurfing : 8$ Grandmaster Icon for the rest of season: 15$ The possibilities are endless. | ||
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Miragee
8543 Posts
On June 13 2022 00:42 ProMeTheus112 wrote: The only criticism I would make right now is that I read a little square on the website that said something like "ever expanding universe including adding units regularly" : I believe that a RTS stands most solid when the internal balance of the factions (not just the winrates) is in a great place, allowing a plethora of openings and their nuances and their follow ups to be viable and answered in many ways, giving each game a different flavor and also a lot of room for each player to develop a personal playstyle, not just following a meta and not following a recipe (rather adapting a lot as the game goes, room for improvisation). Well this works when the internal balance is amazing but each time you add a unit to a match up the previous balance work is potentially altered by this addition and this can potentially erase a ton of the nuances that previously existed and had been worked on. So basically, I believe there should be zero pressure to ADD UNITS to a game like this unless it feels like it will actually enrich it. However I see games like PUBG regularly adding some stuff to the game including weapons and its working great.. Of course it is a super different type of game so the consequences are way different, you'd mostly pick a weapon and use it for the entire game. But keeping things fresh by bringing in some new stuff smartly designed rather regularly seems quite good for it. So.. I suppose that can be experimented with for a RTS. It just sounds really difficult to do. [seems like most important is to make sure any addition is far from OP] Anyway I like the aspect on the screenshots tbh. I'm really curious to see more etc. I agree, it's much the same with constant big balance patches. There will be no healthy shifts in the meta, cheese and niche sectors but they are forced every few months. Adding units is even worse. I also know I despised the feeling of knowing I had to wait for years for a complete game experience with SC2. The thought of no end to that sounds dreadful... PUBG is very different because from what I understand it's a very asymetrical, unbalanced game by design. On June 13 2022 01:19 MockHamill wrote: Sometimes I wonder which will be the first company to take pay to win to the next level: Call down 10 nukes - 3$ Change match result - 5$ Lower your MMR by 400 and lock it there for convenient smurfing : 8$ Grandmaster Icon for the rest of season: 15$ The possibilities are endless. You are lowballing with the price tags though. People are already paying hundreds for the last point for example. | ||
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
Well, at least we saw the pictures in movement now... I guess. | ||
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dr_j_i_t_
7 Posts
It would have been better, for example, to have a blank screen with a good script and good sound effects. I do not believe that it takes a year and a half to create such generic characters. I appreciate that every story has already been told, but still. They could have made some sort of an effort to create something original. There are hundreds of writers out there who would have bitten their hands off to get the chance to create a world, lore and factions. | ||
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