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CicadaSC
United States1913 Posts
On July 19 2025 14:41 Gorsameth wrote: being forced to release it cause of potential financial troubles doesn't mean its finished ah, sorry, I meant the patch was close to being finished. | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2049 Posts
I know stuff takes time, there's a lot of elements that have to click together and in general developing a game isn't easy, but it feels surprising how long it has taken to add more already planned units to the tech tree. At this point you'd think they have a lot of experience and most of the underlying structure and toolset in place to speed up the process compared to the existing tech tree. The reworks on existing systems have probably taken resources and they've probably had to downsize quite a bit, but it still feels off to me. Especially now that they're dropping the early access tag, you'd want to see at least some kind of rough overall structure of gameplay. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1913 Posts
On July 21 2025 21:09 Bacillus wrote: Over time I've seen quite a bit of talk about tier 3 'coming soon'. Did some of it actually get added at some point? On the roadmap most of it seems to be 'in the future' while there are videos of tier 3 units from a year ago already. I know stuff takes time, there's a lot of elements that have to click together and in general developing a game isn't easy, but it feels surprising how long it has taken to add more already planned units to the tech tree. At this point you'd think they have a lot of experience and most of the underlying structure and toolset in place to speed up the process compared to the existing tech tree. The reworks on existing systems have probably taken resources and they've probably had to downsize quite a bit, but it still feels off to me. Especially now that they're dropping the early access tag, you'd want to see at least some kind of rough overall structure of gameplay. not yet. some people argue dragon archangel and helicarrier are t3 and then people have started calling the incoming units T4. No confirmed date on when they are coming. hopefully with next patch as they leave early access and 1v1 is in a "final" state. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1913 Posts
Lets get some positivity rolling! The game is leaving Early Access in 2 weeks lets name some things we are excited for. I will start: Celestial phase 1 rework Completed vanguard campaign More players and more even matchmaking Balance tweaks such as no replicating Dragon (I dont think this is guaranteed but it is my hope.) Content creator videos giving the game another shot Tournament circuit(?) | ||
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TelecoM
United States10721 Posts
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Purple_hu
4 Posts
On July 24 2025 03:14 TelecoM wrote: How's game balance / ladder / player count now on ladder? Balance is weird all 3 races having insane cheeses/allins and really huge power spikes trough various game states. Player count is low everyone is waiting August 5  The custom map section is pretty nice ppl asking for custom games via their discord. | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2049 Posts
I'm not a big advocate of staring at balance numbers when the whole game is still incomplete though. The more interesting bit is if the game allows players to do viable and interesting stuff. I'll take a varied and skill intense 65-35 over a mundane 55-45 on predetermined tracks anytime, anywhere. As far as I've understood, the current matchmaking is configured not to be too picky on the matches. You'll usually find matches pretty fast - at least considering the playercount - but the skill level of the opponents varies quite a bit. Probably a smart move at least in current state of the game, we'll see how it goes when the release spikes hit. Edit: Some crazy win rates and streaks on that leaderboard. Not sure what's going on in there, probably better take that one with a grain of salt unless there's some good explanation. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1913 Posts
On July 24 2025 17:42 Bacillus wrote: Currently 12 infernals and 2 vanguards in top 20 rankings. I guess the top level balance is a bit all over the place at least. I'm not a big advocate of staring at balance numbers when the whole game is still incomplete though. The more interesting bit is if the game allows players to do viable and interesting stuff. I'll take a varied and skill intense 65-35 over a mundane 55-45 on predetermined tracks anytime, anywhere. As far as I've understood, the current matchmaking is configured not to be too picky on the matches. You'll usually find matches pretty fast - at least considering the playercount - but the skill level of the opponents varies quite a bit. Probably a smart move at least in current state of the game, we'll see how it goes when the release spikes hit. Edit: Some crazy win rates and streaks on that leaderboard. Not sure what's going on in there, probably better take that one with a grain of salt unless there's some good explanation. thats all from 0.4 mostly as they never reset the leaderboards, but yeah your point still stands and the game had been wildly imbalanced at certain points but they nerfed brute, the main issue in 0.4. some still complain about balance issues the community but not as extreme as before unless u consider dragon cloning and certain cheese rushes but that will all probably get patched in 0.6 and hopefully 1v1 will be in a good state. | ||
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Slydie
1936 Posts
On July 24 2025 20:33 CicadaSC wrote: thats all from 0.4 mostly as they never reset the leaderboards, but yeah your point still stands and the game had been wildly imbalanced at certain points but they nerfed brute, the main issue in 0.4. some still complain about balance issues the community but not as extreme as before unless u consider dragon cloning and certain cheese rushes but that will all probably get patched in 0.6 and hopefully 1v1 will be in a good state. It is very hard to get 3-way balance in RTS right. By fixing one problem, you usually create new ones. The first year, you can fix the most broken strategies, but It would not hope for a "good state". | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1913 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States1913 Posts
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CicadaSC
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Agh
United States1045 Posts
The 'release', 'version', and other titles are meaningless as it's being approached as a live service game. Main issue is they've done very little to address gameplay issues and concerns, even when they are egregiously bad and in any other universe would see immediate hot-fixing. I still think they should go the route of testing the production charges for all races suggestion, or at least someone should make a map to test when the editor allows it. Aside from not being able to customize actual command card locations & specific color settings/extensive color blind mode, everything with the UI and controls is fantastic. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1913 Posts
On July 27 2025 17:51 Agh wrote: I still think they should go the route of testing the production charges for all races suggestion, or at least someone should make a map to test when the editor allows it. It reminds me of elden ring. no difficulty slider- but if you want easy mode, use summons. Perhaps they are trying to do something like that but for RTS and infernals. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22372 Posts
On July 27 2025 18:50 CicadaSC wrote: But that concept doesn't work in a PvP game. If there is an easy mode you are forced to use it because your opponent sure will.It reminds me of elden ring. no difficulty slider- but if you want easy mode, use summons. Perhaps they are trying to do something like that but for RTS and infernals. | ||
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Agh
United States1045 Posts
Getting attacked or stormgate spawning? Press key, get units. Tier 2? Even better, use ability, get 3 units. I don't think I've ever seen an all or nothing angle like that before, make it baseline or remove it. Otherwise the only way you balance it is by giving them the sc2 protoss gateway unit treatment and that isn't an appealing option for anyone. With smaller maps it gives the advantage of being able to be insanely safer expanding compared to the other two races. And once we inevitably get out of the shoebox map size you run into the issue of production at each base for the best harassment defense. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26795 Posts
On July 27 2025 19:57 Agh wrote: I mean that's what the current version of infernal is, you just sit on production and make sure you're not at capped charges. Getting attacked or stormgate spawning? Press key, get units. Tier 2? Even better, use ability, get 3 units. I don't think I've ever seen an all or nothing angle like that before, make it baseline or remove it. Otherwise the only way you balance it is by giving them the sc2 protoss gateway unit treatment and that isn't an appealing option for anyone. With smaller maps it gives the advantage of being able to be insanely safer expanding compared to the other two races. And once we inevitably get out of the shoebox map size you run into the issue of production at each base for the best harassment defense. Is this as broken, or at least as frustrating as it sounds? | ||
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Agh
United States1045 Posts
On July 27 2025 21:05 WombaT wrote: Is this as broken, or at least as frustrating as it sounds? The best mental image I can paint is more or less a sc2 warpgate, except each unit stacks up to 3 and there isn't a warp-in time it just builds instantly. And it's for every unit, not just tier 1. (even the 'hero' dragon unit builds instantly) So yeah, I'll let you form your opinion based on that. Only thing that makes it even remotely acceptable is that the game pace is fast enough that it somewhat blends in. I'm fine with the reverse/instant production but why does it go past a single charge, much less up to 3? Maybe add a tier 3 upgrade that increases it, but not baseline. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5460 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26795 Posts
On July 27 2025 22:22 Agh wrote: The best mental image I can paint is more or less a sc2 warpgate, except each unit stacks up to 3 and there isn't a warp-in time it just builds instantly. And it's for every unit, not just tier 1. (even the 'hero' dragon unit builds instantly) So yeah, I'll let you form your opinion based on that. Only thing that makes it even remotely acceptable is that the game pace is fast enough that it somewhat blends in. I'm fine with the reverse/instant production but why does it go past a single charge, much less up to 3? Maybe add a tier 3 upgrade that increases it, but not baseline. That sounds, awful, although I dunno the specifics. It sounds like in a sorta even lategame where you’re banking, you can leave spare supply space and have the capacity to almost instantly reinforce any weak point your opponent finds? I don’t know enough about this specific thing, sounds wonky but I don’t know. I’ve fucking zero idea why FG went in certain directions in terms of production. Celestials initially (not sure now) were like the worst aspects of SC2 Protoss that people hate, on steroids. Unless I’m misunderstanding this sound like that again, on steroids. It’s weird, look it’s all good making a mechanically easier game for casuals, but fairness and frustration is part of that too. Some of their decisions feel ‘half right’ in the worst way possible. Let’s make it mechanically easier (good for many), also you know the most frustrating non-mechanical elements of SC2, let’s accentuate those It’s daft, I don’t get why they went this direction other than to respond to allegations it was too safe. Needing high APM to compete, ok that puts people off. Things like ‘oh I missed scouting a proxy pylon and now like shitloads of army are in my face’ are actually way more discouraging for the casual player. Played/followed Protoss since BW. Argued against Warp Gate in its current form for over a decade. At least as a core mechanic. Or at least without a trade-off (I wouldn’t be against late game warp gate if the production cooldown was < than gateways). And this is from both directions. 1. I don’t get units as good as bio, or as fun to micro until blink comes in anyway. Because I can’t. Because if I did, the ability to warp in in combination would be completely broken 2. Playing against Toss, especially at lower levels warp ins have always been incredibly frustrating. Oh I couldn’t get a scout in to see if you threw gateways down. At least versus Zerg or Terran I can have a spotter that gives me 30 seconds or so if I spot a moveout. Warpgate might have a huge allin just be at my door I think a lot of the QoL changes are great but I’ve zero idea why FG decided to double down on some of the worst elements of frustrating volatility in SC2 | ||
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