EPTand it was just totally impossible to take the ball from him..
2007-2008 football(soccer) thread - Page 28
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28728 Posts
and it was just totally impossible to take the ball from him.. | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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Telemako
Spain1636 Posts
Messi just breaks defenders, he is unstoppable but lacks finishing and vision (his words, not mine). C.Ronaldo is not that good dribbling but isn't far, and adding his scoring and heading makes him more complete IMO. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
For me he is the hottest player around right now. This fellow breathes soccer. He improved so much. And he kept on getting better and faster and more flexible and just becoming a more and more complete and overall good player when i thought it would have to end there. He even started scoring sick free kick goals lately. Scoring free kicks is enough.. u might think.. but he scores teh sick ones.. seriously.. Zidane was something special.. i wouldnt want to compare him with anyone else.. almost the same as it goes with Pele and Maradonna.. but C.Ronaldo is just awesome.. | ||
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white_box921
United Kingdom967 Posts
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Lenwe
Netherlands757 Posts
However, comparing him to the all-time greats (Zidane/Pele/Maradona/Cruijff/etc.) is still way too early. Those players led their teams to trophies, country's to world/european cups or copa america's and that is something Ronaldo hasn't done (yet). | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On March 31 2008 08:28 Lenwe wrote: However, comparing him to the all-time greats (Zidane/Pele/Maradona/Cruijff/etc.) is still way too early. Those players led their teams to trophies, country's to world/european cups or copa america's and that is something Ronaldo hasn't done (yet). The problem for Ronaldo is that even if Portugal has a really good team i guess that they wont win a World or Euro cup :<. Brazil/ France /Argentina were way more stronger when they won the World Cup. | ||
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
And in 2000 Portugal gave France a very tough match in the semi's. Surprises happen all the time in football, you never know. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28728 Posts
I agree that for ronaldo to be remembered on the same level as pele/maradona/zidane, he'll have to lead portugal to winning wc or ec, or simply leading united to like, several CL trophies. but his league performance, this season and the previous season, is greater than that of any equally young player, ever, if you take into consideration that the EPL is clearly the strongest league at the moment. so far this season he has scored 35 goals in 38 matches, or 26 in 28 if you only consider EPL games.. thats the kind of statistics you normally see from top strikers in their peak seasons. not wingers 3-4-5 years before their expected peak. | ||
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
Portugal's Achilles Heel has always been the striker, so I wonder if Scolari could pull having him upfront in a free role, as a SS or whatever, or maybe even as a proper striker. Coz we have other very good wingers to do the job - Simao Sabrosa, Quaresma, Nani. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28728 Posts
last season his early season was about as great as his early season this year, but he had a "semi-slump" later on. that has not yet happened, and I don't think its going to. | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
Zidane is an pretty awesome player, and complete but it seems your underrating Pele and Maradona . I seen them play specially pele in videos and he was unstopabble and scored goal almost every time he had the ball. The most complete player i seen in my life | ||
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ATeddyBear
Canada2843 Posts
On March 31 2008 11:53 ilj.psa wrote: wow how can you put pele/maradona in the same level as zidane. Zidane is an pretty awesome player, and complete but it seems your underrating Pele and Maradona . I seen them play specially pele in videos and he was unstopabble and scored goal almost every time he had the ball. The most complete player i seen in my life that's usually the case in highlight videos  | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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Lenwe
Netherlands757 Posts
However, Zidane (while having a great team behind him) was the main reason France won the world cup in '98, the european championship in 2000 and was still one of the best players of the squad that reached the latest world cup final in 2006. He reached 2 EC1 finals with Juventus (although he lost them both) and won the Italian league twice, which is (arguabely) one of the strongest leagues in the world. With Madrid he finally won the Champions League, he gained his 3th FIFA player of the year award and he won 2 more league titles (once again in arguabely one of the strongest if not the strongest league in the world, especially at that team). Besides that, you cannot compare the football that was played when Pele was around to how it is played nowadays. So yes, I do think Zidane belongs amongst the all-time greats of football and if the FIFA had to award the trophies for footballers of all time again, I think he would rank in the top 4 (with Pele, Maradonna and Cruijff). As always, this is extremely subjective. | ||
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Shanghai
China9 Posts
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UbRi
Italy603 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28728 Posts
but if your definition of "great" is "how dominant was this player compared to his opposition" then it will never, ever be possible to be as "great" as pele was. a player in the 50-s/60s who completely dominated might be able to score goals completely on his own in a way that players are, no matter how godly, not able to regularly do today. so well, the only thing you really can do, is define who the greatest player of each era was. pele was the by far greatest from like, 1958 to 1970~ or whatever, maradona dominated the 80s, zidane dominated from ~1998-2006. all these periods had other magnificent players as well, but these are the ones who are remembered as the greatest ones. that, alone, is to me reason enough to group them together. (Cruijff is to me harder to give the same status. frankly, him, and ajax' manager rinus michels probably deserve more credit for the evolution of football than both pele and maradona, but because of the fact that Cruijff's career somewhat overlaps that of pele, and that pele was clearly a more dominant player, Cruijff was not the unquestionably best player of his era, unlike both pele, zidane and maradona. ) | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
I actually think Ronaldo Luis Nazário de Lima (Brazilian Ronaldo) was better in that era. They both won "World Player of the Year" 3 times. But Ronaldo on the top of his form was arguably the most naturally talented footballer the world has ever seen. The guy was the complete footballer; two-footed, phenomenal pace, good in the air, fantastic skills, brilliant dribbler, extremely strong on the ball and the natural composure that any great finisher needs. Shame about his drinking and psychological problems, but regardless I think he was better. That's one of the reasons why I agree you can't put Zidane in the same league as Maradonna or Pele. | ||
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Raidern
Brazil3811 Posts
Klive5ive: I actually think Ronaldo Luis Nazário de Lima (Brazilian Ronaldo) was better in that era. They both won "World Player of the Year" 3 times. But Ronaldo on the top of his form was arguably the most naturally talented footballer the world has ever seen. Ronaldo, together with Romario, is my favourite player. And he is VERY talented, but I don't think anyone has ever been more talented than Zidane. Zidane played well pretty effortlessly. And Ronaldo only displayed his potential for +-4 years (95-99 lets say). After that he was a very good striker. Ronaldo's technique is also outstanding, and his vision of the game matches Zidane, but I think Ronaldo had to play at that level for more time than Zidane in order to be 'better' than him in my opinion. eriador: zidane wasnt as dominant as pele/maradona because other players / tactics were so much better when zidane played. but he was a better player than both.. the fact is, it's impossible to compare because of how football has evolved.. (never have brood war analogies been more correct ; trying to compare pele with zidane is like trying to compare GRRR with bisu) I think Zidane is more talented than both, and his game is more 'beautiful' than both, for sure. But I don't really think that he is better than Pele and Maradona. Pele for example did regularly things people do once nowadays and celebrate, like those 'baloon' goals (the goal agaisnt Sweden in 58 final). Forget about this 1000 goals (only brazilians count friendlies), his execution is flawless and unmatched. The shit about comparing them, tho, is that noone will probably ever be able to do the things Zidane did in that video, but I don't think that makes one the best player, or Okocha would be among the very best. | ||
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