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Skadi on sniper makes me cry  such a shitty build
So do people who go scattershot on sniper. It's all about headshot + range and stats afterwards.
Equi, you disappoint me T_T j/k
When I first started dota, my friends hardcoded me to be a bracer whore so I used to get bracers on just about any hero, which isn't bad unless you're naix or something.
Just think about what you want your hero to do for your team, whether it be DPS or disable.
Common mistake with newbs is that they go boots very early when they aren't necessary for the majority of heroes. What makes it worse is someone sees a queen of pain who went boots first go godlike and thinks it's ok, that he should take him as an example.
TP = friend. Have one at all times. I often have TP scrolls even though I have boots of travel since they take less to channel. On a related note, be conscious of the enemy lineup so you can escape ganks without being interrupted.
Hrmm what else, oh, people don't understand how good blink dagger is. It can be used both offensively and defensively and a good player with blink dagger is such a bitch to kill.
Eul's is godly, in most cases, better than dagon.
Ok, I think I'll end my stream of random thoughts there.
PS. I never buy ironwood branches unless I'm going meka/headress, just a pet peeve, I don't like the way they look
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most people that are suggesting branches dont realize that these guys are probably playing em games since they are new and stuff and in em you have enough money that cost doesnt really matter at the beginning and thus starting off with 2x circ tangos is much easier and more space efficient when switching to bracers later in the game
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Now, I totally get that each hero will have different demands, and that's fine, but what I'm really looking for is a "default" build to go with so that if I'm playing a hero I'm not used to, I'll be fine.
So is dual bracers a good idea? Or should I go dual bracers/bands/talismans depending on my main stat?
The two most common things I see are Basilius/tangos or dual bracers/bands/talismans and tangos.
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Basilius is good on heroes who have low int and have some good spells to use, like Abbadon or Ogre Magi.
Bracers are often better than the other two. You should be short on life during battles, not mana. So yes, 2 bracers is a pretty safe 'default' build.
I almost never get bands even though they got cheaper. Maybe on Nevermore, who depends a lot on early last hits.
As for high lvl items when you really have no idea how to play a hero, off the top of my head
int: guinsoo
str: heart/radiance
agi: mkb
Those items aren't restricted to class at all, but it should be decent at least, minus some exceptions.
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For starters: 2-3x tango (depends on starting cash) + 5 branches
This seems to work really fine for me, you can always switch to bracers/whatever later on.
And to correct Heen's post:
int: guinsoo/necronomicon
str: heart/satanic (radiance isn't as good as many people think)
agi: butterfly/mjolnir/mkb (in order of usefulness, although sometimes mjolnir comes before mkb)
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United States2705 Posts
Can someone please explain this whole branch thing to me? I don't see the point, really. You get better stats from bracers.
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On July 11 2007 02:18 Manit0u wrote:
For starters: 2-3x tango (depends on starting cash) + 5 branches
This seems to work really fine for me, you can always switch to bracers/whatever later on.
And to correct Heen's post:
int: guinsoo/necronomicon
str: heart/satanic (radiance isn't as good as many people think)
agi: butterfly/mjolnir/mkb (in order of usefulness, although sometimes mjolnir comes before mkb)
agi: bfly/mkb/mjo? ;]
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NEVER EVER get headress first, it makes your creeps stronger which means that most of the time you will be near the tower of the other team, which makes it almost impossible to get a kill
it totally depends on the hero but as mentioned before, 4-5 branches and some tangos are probably the best starting items
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yeah, if you look at it that way, 1 bracer > 1 branch but when you look at the cost difference, branches give you better stats for much less gold. And it's something u can easily sell back to fit other items in. I usually don't get branches myself unless I'm a mek hero, or if i dont want to buy anythign else and dont wanna go out empty hehe ;]
bracers are incredibly helpful, you'll find that there's many situations where you would've died early game if it weren't for them. If you're talking about pub though, honestly, any item build works - _-
radiance is actually more helpful, i think, that most people think. it usually goes with carry heroes and it's usually the first core item they buy (your carry MUST be an efficient farmer)
i honestly play more pubs than more serious matches around 70/30% ratio because i hate waiting for everyone to meet up and get ready etc. when i get back from work pretty worn out, all i feel like doing is getting on b.net and joining a game asap to relieve me of my stress ;p
in more seirous games though, like someone alraedy mentioned, your starting items should depend on the other team/heroes (very situational). But in pubs, anything works i'm not even kidding.
if you're bored and looking for a weird way to play pubs, try rushing guinsoo w/ any hero; i think it's kinda funny, it actually works better with some heroes than you may first think. And plus, your team will love you. And if you're playing with 4 friends, have your whole team go guinsoo, disable ftw <33
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err.. btw if any of you hapen to play DXD on west, does anyone know 420-Splash.?
i've only played one game with him and he carried razor extremely well, but it's only one game so i don't know, his melee stats were really impressive too > _>;;
random yes.
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On July 11 2007 02:18 Manit0u wrote:
For starters: 2-3x tango (depends on starting cash) + 5 branches
This seems to work really fine for me, you can always switch to bracers/whatever later on.
And to correct Heen's post:
int: guinsoo/necronomicon
str: heart/satanic (radiance isn't as good as many people think)
agi: butterfly/mjolnir/mkb (in order of usefulness, although sometimes mjolnir comes before mkb)
I posted as few items as possible since giving a huge list wouldn't be specific enough. In my defense (since you used the term 'correct'  ):
Necronomicon, a great item, but difficult to use for newcomers and more often than not guinsoos is overall better.
Radiance is underrated if anything. It's relatively cheap too.
You seem to be a butterfly fan while I'm a MKB whore. Again, different results on different heroes. No need to make generalizations as if I'm wrong t.t
As for mjolnir, never liked it. Quite frankly, I think it's a piece of shit.
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On July 11 2007 03:08 BlueRoyaL wrote:
err.. btw if any of you hapen to play DXD on west, does anyone know 420-Splash.?
i've only played one game with him and he carried razor extremely well, but it's only one game so i don't know, his melee stats were really impressive too > _>;;
random yes.
Razor needs TONS of skill. (sarcasm)
How is he with Chen?
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On July 11 2007 03:07 BlueRoyaL wrote:
yeah, if you look at it that way, 1 bracer > 1 branch but when you look at the cost difference, branches give you better stats for much less gold. And it's something u can easily sell back to fit other items in. I usually don't get branches myself unless I'm a mek hero, or if i dont want to buy anythign else and dont wanna go out empty hehe ;]
bracers are incredibly helpful, you'll find that there's many situations where you would've died early game if it weren't for them. If you're talking about pub though, honestly, any item build works - _-
radiance is actually more helpful, i think, that most people think. it usually goes with carry heroes and it's usually the first core item they buy (your carry MUST be an efficient farmer)
i honestly play more pubs than more serious matches around 70/30% ratio because i hate waiting for everyone to meet up and get ready etc. when i get back from work pretty worn out, all i feel like doing is getting on b.net and joining a game asap to relieve me of my stress ;p
in more seirous games though, like someone alraedy mentioned, your starting items should depend on the other team/heroes (very situational). But in pubs, anything works i'm not even kidding.
if you're bored and looking for a weird way to play pubs, try rushing guinsoo w/ any hero; i think it's kinda funny, it actually works better with some heroes than you may first think. And plus, your team will love you. And if you're playing with 4 friends, have your whole team go guinsoo, disable ftw <33
if we are 5, we never play pub games cause its just 30-0 bashing, but i guess 5 mekas, 5 arcane rings and 5 necrobooks would be pretty fun too :D
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On July 10 2007 20:36 Equinox_kr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2007 11:53 Ack1027 wrote:On July 10 2007 11:50 thedeadhaji wrote:
mmm, if you're new you might want to just stick to one hero and really get a feel for how the game dynamics work. Limiting the hero variable will also limit the item variable, and allow you to concentrate solely on the gameplay. Once that's settled in, picking the right items for each hero for various situations will be just a matter of knowledge and some experience.
I'm personally in favor of limiting the things you need to learn at once in the beginning, but that's just my take. Agreed with haji. Irl friends and those in my vent who were completely new to dota I taught them how to play by playing two heroes: Sniper and Sven. They played those for about a week each and learned the important things like last hit, deny, gank, when to use and not use ulti, how to support your team, understanding auras, different item builds. Also I have never bought wraith bands in the last several versions in serious games and have only bought them in pub games for some heroes like drow and sa. Very rarely. You will learn that health items [bracer] are KING. Eww Ack you're such a noob hahahaha edit: OP: Sniper is such an easy hero to play, and you can get good with him easily as well. Just get Treads then Skadi with 2 Bracers and you'll be fine. As for skills, just alternate between Range and Scattershot while getting Assassinate at its respective levels. Just last-hit, deny, gank when called to, get some kills. Easy I had the misfortune to start DotA with Crystal Maiden (I randommed so I wouldn't look like a noob ) and I went like 0-27 or something. It was fun though :O
lol scatter shot?
Please.
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On July 11 2007 01:48 rpf wrote:
Now, I totally get that each hero will have different demands, and that's fine, but what I'm really looking for is a "default" build to go with so that if I'm playing a hero I'm not used to, I'll be fine.
So is dual bracers a good idea? Or should I go dual bracers/bands/talismans depending on my main stat?
The two most common things I see are Basilius/tangos or dual bracers/bands/talismans and tangos.
Dual Bracers is basic; if you're having problems staying alive, get more if you need to. I played a game with Viper and to keep myself from dying before I farmed the necessary items for MKB I got 5 Bracers and Boots -_-;;
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On July 11 2007 02:48 rpf wrote:
Can someone please explain this whole branch thing to me? I don't see the point, really. You get better stats from bracers.
Well, Branches just provide stupidly easy extra stat points; gives you a little edge. If you're really adamant about getting them, just get 2 Circlets, 1 Flask and 1 Clarity. I tried it several times and it works fine compared to 6 Branches or w/e in the beginning.
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On July 11 2007 03:57 Naib wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2007 03:08 BlueRoyaL wrote:
err.. btw if any of you hapen to play DXD on west, does anyone know 420-Splash.?
i've only played one game with him and he carried razor extremely well, but it's only one game so i don't know, his melee stats were really impressive too > _>;;
random yes. Razor needs TONS of skill. (sarcasm) How is he with Chen?
Oh man Razor DOES need tons of skill. Same with Skeleton King! STORM BOLT! WALK! HIT! LIFESTEAL! CRITICAL! STORM BOLT! KILL!
Skeleton King is the most retardedly easy hero to play -_- Once you get a damage item (MKB/Radiance/Buriza) and get BoTs, game is all uphill from there
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Why do everyone say scattershot suck? it makes sniper farm REALLY nice, if you get BOT-scattershot you should like get MAAAASSS money ... try it.. tp somewere, kill the creeps off easy and get huge amount of cash, tp to next lane, do same thing until you get money for w/e you want
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On July 10 2007 15:42 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
i heard rapier is good
Yah I heard 5 of them + 1 BOT is very good... But if you die once, then you will cry like nancy
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On July 11 2007 13:54 Vedesole wrote:
Why do everyone say scattershot suck? it makes sniper farm REALLY nice, if you get BOT-scattershot you should like get MAAAASSS money ... try it.. tp somewere, kill the creeps off easy and get huge amount of cash, tp to next lane, do same thing until you get money for w/e you want
Because if you're a competent player you will get an equal or greater amount by using last hit with his insane range.
Not to mention the gold you get from scattershot matters naught when you kill heroes a lot easier with headshot. Headshot also has a ministun getting rid of anything that channels and interrupts a lot of shit. You can interrupt your opponent's last hit and then last hit and deny your creeps all you want.
Mana is much better saved on assassinate. The game is not all about pushing.
Stats > Scattershot.
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