Diablo IV - Page 96

On July 11 2023 14:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
and here you are 20 years later talking about it. LOL. they've done a great job the last 20 years with the franchise.

well, 50 hours in ... D4 has been awesome. However, AEW Fight Forever is too good and is much more of the game type i prefer and it just came out. I don't see myself touching D4 again for at least 6 months. I gotta credit ATVI's marketing team... they reeled me in. $90 CDN... i've got more money than brains.

This is hilarious. ATVI prolly loves this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9JZBh_eJJ8

My favourite satanic happening ever...
was there any whining about this show?

On July 11 2023 22:07 Manit0u wrote:
I must say D4 is really weirdly balanced. I've switched from shards back to fire and now my sorceress gameplay is pretty enjoyable. Compared to frost build the clear time is much slower but on the upside I never run out of health or mana so can just freely spam hydras and firewalls while everything around me dies slowly.

The damage could be a bit better but at least it doesn't feel as janky as frost. Especially bosses take longer to kill now but it's no problem because I don't have to aim anything, just drop firewalls and hydras and focus on dodging mechanics while the boss dies.

On July 11 2023 22:39 Latham wrote:


I would highly recommend the ice shard/blizzard hybrid build, instead of pure ice shards. A little bit slower, but safer and can push both high NM dungeons & uber lilith.

On July 11 2023 05:00 uummpaa wrote:


that "imo" is the key here.

for me D3 is a better game then D2, as is Last epoch. and just by player numbers alone a lot of people prefer PoE over D2. i am firmly convinced a lot of the love for D2 is because it was by far the best ARPG when LoD was released and we all loved it back then, not because it holds up all that great, but thats my very personal "imo"

no wonder, D2 was done for me after they introduced waay to powerful runeword combinations (with spamable spells from other classes) and the lack of endgame (for me at least running the same paths with the same monsters over and over is no satisfactory endgame).
D3 has greater rifts, and by that alone it has better endgame then D2. plus a bunch of other little reasons i dont need to go into cause its offtopic in a D4 thread

But there is no point in shouting each others opinions at each other,
my point was just that for a full priced game D4 is quite underwhelming and D3s terrible launch should be a dreadful exception that shouldnt be repeated at all costs, not an excuse for releasing games that will hopefully be good 1-2 years from now

On July 11 2023 16:54 0x64 wrote:


What's AEW? Sorry been way from gaming for a long time.

On July 11 2023 05:00 uummpaa wrote:


that "imo" is the key here.

for me D3 is a better game then D2, as is Last epoch. and just by player numbers alone a lot of people prefer PoE over D2.

no wonder, D2 was done for me after they introduced waay to powerful....

But there is no point in shouting each others opinions at each other,
....

On July 12 2023 00:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

AEW Fight Forever is a pro wrestling game. the producer of the game is the producer of the much loved AKI series of pro wrestling games that includes WCW Revenge, WWF No Mercy , and Def Jam Fight For New York. Def Jam Fight For NY came out in 2004 and the combat was incredible. People have been waiting 20 years for the next game since EA severed their relationship with AKI.

Also, the game is out on Switch and the multiplayer has low latency. the multiplayer combat is great.

long term engagement is objective proof of quality. For example, games like Super Tecmo Bowl and NHL '94 Hockey have flaws one can whine about forever. One can yap away about how one's theories about what "real fun" is ... is all that matters... but it doesn't.

I chose two 30+ year old games to take the emotion out of the discussion. The long term engagement #s of these games prove their greatness.

due to long term engagement #s... PoE is a great game... same goes for D3. Blizzard did a great job on D3.

On July 11 2023 22:07 Manit0u wrote:
I must say D4 is really weirdly balanced. I've switched from shards back to fire and now my sorceress gameplay is pretty enjoyable. Compared to frost build the clear time is much slower but on the upside I never run out of health or mana so can just freely spam hydras and firewalls while everything around me dies slowly.

The damage could be a bit better but at least it doesn't feel as janky as frost. Especially bosses take longer to kill now but it's no problem because I don't have to aim anything, just drop firewalls and hydras and focus on dodging mechanics while the boss dies.

On July 12 2023 03:26 andrewlt wrote:


Ice shards is extremely good at clearing but has survivability and sustain issues once you start pushing higher NM dungeons. Same issues in more sustained encounters like bosses, events and packs of multiple elite mobs. It's pretty much a burst damage build. Later on, against mobs, frost nova (w/ ice shards enchantment) is your main mob clearer.

Ice shards build runs into some aiming weirdness that D4 currently has. Sometimes it feels like my sorc shoots ice shards in totally unintended directions (rogue suffers from the same thing). When those damn flies and some charging/leaping monsters get in your face, you can miss them when shooting at point blank range. You have to reposition to hit them.

On July 12 2023 02:11 Archeon wrote:

No offense, but you're the only person I ever hear talk about Super Tecmo Bowl and NHL 94. Like without you I wouldn't even know these games exist. Maybe I'm just a gen younger than you or it's a USA thing, but at least here in Germany they didn't play a role at all in the mid nineties.

I don't disagree on your point though, but the fact that D2 continues to have a semi-active playerbase while it was released 23 years ago, had it's last content update 22 years ago and had it's last major patch 20 years ago is a pretty good statement about long term engagement imo. I know maybe four other games from that era that still are somewhat active (Sc1, Wc3, SSBM and AoE2) and all the others are PvP games.

On July 12 2023 02:11 Archeon wrote:
No offense, but you're the only person I ever hear talk about Super Tecmo Bowl and NHL 94. Like without you I wouldn't even know these games exist.

On July 13 2023 06:07 andrewlt wrote:
I'm 39 and I was 13 when Diablo was released. Still managed to get a copy that year.