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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 03 2017 03:42 GMT
#2141
To be fair, FE6 is itself in many ways just a retelling/reimagining of Marth's saga from FE1/3, and that's honestly pretty cliche heroes-journey stuff from the era of Dragonball Z. I'd say FE7 is more where the storytelling falls flat--since the times it tries to be serious have this weird narrative dissonance with how upbeat and positive most of the characters are most of the time. FE8 does a better job in that regard of meshing upbeat characters with a serious story.
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RuiBarbO
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States1340 Posts
May 03 2017 06:17 GMT
#2142
Huh, I guess I had a much different experience with FE7, although I didn't play any of the previous games so my frame of reference is different (are the characters like, way more downcast in Jugdral?). I never felt like the characters' dispositions threw me the way they do in Fates, for example (although that's setting the bar low imo). Sain and Serra are kind of silly, but idk, I thought it worked. And the sub-plot of Nergal and the Black Fang's fall from grace made for, if nothing else, some interesting side character stories. Granted, the main story doesn't exactly break the RPG narrative mould wide open + Show Spoiler +
guess what, the final boss is a monster from another world! What a surprise!
, but for me it's a case of the characters making the plot more bearable, not less. And the fact that you know the whole thing can only end in tragedy for the main characters once FE6 rolls around. I guess since it was the first time I'd seen a game with anything like optional support conversations, it's kind of become the standard for me of what that kind of game should look like.
Can someone please explain/how water falls with no rain?
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
May 03 2017 06:51 GMT
#2143
On May 03 2017 12:42 TheYango wrote:
To be fair, FE6 is itself in many ways just a retelling/reimagining of Marth's saga from FE1/3, and that's honestly pretty cliche heroes-journey stuff from the era of Dragonball Z. I'd say FE7 is more where the storytelling falls flat--since the times it tries to be serious have this weird narrative dissonance with how upbeat and positive most of the characters are most of the time. FE8 does a better job in that regard of meshing upbeat characters with a serious story.

In regards to FE8 in particular, it's interesting how you have a rather colorful cast, with characters like Colm/Neimi, L'arachel etc, but they are balanced out by the madness of Valter and Orson, as well as Duessel's Lorenz complex
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Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
May 03 2017 13:45 GMT
#2144
This might just be me, and I think you guys already touched on it, but I found FE8 to be surprisingly dark.

I mean I think FE4/FE5 are darker, but I think for FE8 you could play it and be like "whoa".

This could be full on bias on my part. And yeah there were some pretty upbeat characters (LOOKING AT YOU ROSS), but there were some much more subdued characters, like Lyon and my boy Gilliam. I thought it was appropriate, but again, I think I'm pretty heavily biased haha.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
NKB
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom608 Posts
May 03 2017 15:50 GMT
#2145
On May 03 2017 22:45 Frudgey wrote:
This might just be me, and I think you guys already touched on it, but I found FE8 to be surprisingly dark.

I mean I think FE4/FE5 are darker, but I think for FE8 you could play it and be like "whoa".

This could be full on bias on my part. And yeah there were some pretty upbeat characters (LOOKING AT YOU ROSS), but there were some much more subdued characters, like Lyon and my boy Gilliam. I thought it was appropriate, but again, I think I'm pretty heavily biased haha.



I think what makes fe8 so dark is as others have already said, just how upbeat and happy some of the recruitable characters are, they always seem so happy compared to what is actually going on in the story.
Some times you just gotta wish...
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 03 2017 19:01 GMT
#2146
On May 03 2017 15:51 Cricketer12 wrote:
In regards to FE8 in particular, it's interesting how you have a rather colorful cast, with characters like Colm/Neimi, L'arachel etc, but they are balanced out by the madness of Valter and Orson, as well as Duessel's Lorenz complex

Even the ostensibly upbeat characters in FE8 have some rather complex and serious character arcs. Joshua probably being the most popular example of this.
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Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
May 03 2017 19:26 GMT
#2147
Gods, all this talk of the GBA FEs makes me miss playing them for the first time so much.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
May 04 2017 02:29 GMT
#2148
On May 04 2017 04:26 Thorakh wrote:
Gods, all this talk of the GBA FEs makes me miss playing them for the first time so much.

I was only introduced to FE in December of 2015 by randomly finding an FE7 rom cuz I was bored one day. No better time to start than now.
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NKB
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom608 Posts
May 05 2017 08:48 GMT
#2149
Bit of a noob question, but is it worth upgrading your castle in fe:heroes?
Some times you just gotta wish...
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51523 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-05 09:22:06
May 05 2017 09:21 GMT
#2150
yes
first thing you should do with all your orbs
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
May 05 2017 10:04 GMT
#2151
u will really start appreciating it when ur heroes are past lvl 20
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
May 05 2017 16:23 GMT
#2152
Yeah I forgot to do that for the first two months...

Don't...
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-06 05:51:18
May 06 2017 05:50 GMT
#2153
really bummed i had no orbs to roll a ryoma

actually tbh now that SI is out, I wouldn't recommend upgrading castle right away, at the very least until after this current banner is over. The current banner is by far the best banner that they've ever released.
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chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
694 Posts
May 06 2017 16:45 GMT
#2154
Booted echoes for the first time. The game trolls you pretty hard by making the old fashioned battle information the default

Probably will get used to it, but I don't like the UI.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
May 06 2017 17:57 GMT
#2155
On May 07 2017 01:45 chocorush wrote:
Booted echoes for the first time. The game trolls you pretty hard by making the old fashioned battle information the default

Probably will get used to it, but I don't like the UI.

I personally like it, but I don't think I would want it for FE Switch
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calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-07 02:10:29
May 07 2017 02:04 GMT
#2156
Anyone ranking in the top 1k in arena? I'm a little short and need some tips. Also, I see heavily merged units in arena with stupid builds, like not even complete. Lucina 40+10 with no Assist, is this a hacker?
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
May 07 2017 04:34 GMT
#2157
On May 07 2017 11:04 calgar wrote:
Anyone ranking in the top 1k in arena? I'm a little short and need some tips. Also, I see heavily merged units in arena with stupid builds, like not even complete. Lucina 40+10 with no Assist, is this a hacker?

Stupid builds i dont have a reason for, but taking away the assist on ur defense team is quite reasonable as the ai can never use them properly someone with pivot, respostion, smite which was normally super good when a player is controlling them can sometimes screw over ur defense with ur units pushing another out into the open and ahead of the rest. Or even get stuck in a loop or swap/buff.

It could be a hacker but theres no doubt a ton of whales in this game. As for reaching high rank iirc the calculations for ur score or range that ur team is vsing score wise has been released, with legenxary weapons giving moe points 5stars ofc lvl 40 ofc no dancer or healer as they lower ur score every skill also gives points as well as their lvl learned.

But this might all be for nothing as arena is getting upgraded in a couple of days
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
May 07 2017 12:43 GMT
#2158
Alright doing my first Thracia run. Just started chapter 5. So far this has been one of the best starts to a fire emblem game I've ever seen. Story is solid, gameplay is great. I just hope I don't get my ass kicked too hard.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-07 18:16:30
May 07 2017 18:00 GMT
#2159
Honestly Manster is probably the most bullshit part of the game. It's really not that bad if you train Leif, it's just a lot of people kind of spread their XP a bit thin on the early-joiners rather than showing Leif the favoritism he deserves. If you put up with 4/4x/5 you should be okay for a while, just don't be afraid to warpskip maps that look super bullshit. Other than that, it's just putting up with the deployment slots issue I mentioned before and remembering to bring a shitton of door keys for endgame.

On the whole the game's difficulty is overhyped. If you beat Conquest Lunatic, you should be fine.

Been busy with moving so my current run is stopped at chapter 10 atm (which I usually warpskip, I just need to refresh my memory on which items I need to get during the 1-2 turns setting up the skip).

EDIT: Also, you might have known this already, but there's 1 Gaiden chapter later that requires you have at least 1 person captured to unlock. I usually ditch Dalshin at the end of chapter 5 for this because while he's helpful for 4x/5, he starts to become a liability in chapters 6 and 7 because you're on outdoor maps again.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-07 18:58:40
May 07 2017 18:56 GMT
#2160
On May 08 2017 03:00 TheYango wrote:
Honestly Manster is probably the most bullshit part of the game. It's really not that bad if you train Leif, it's just a lot of people kind of spread their XP a bit thin on the early-joiners rather than showing Leif the favoritism he deserves. If you put up with 4/4x/5 you should be okay for a while, just don't be afraid to warpskip maps that look super bullshit. Other than that, it's just putting up with the deployment slots issue I mentioned before and remembering to bring a shitton of door keys for endgame.

On the whole the game's difficulty is overhyped. If you beat Conquest Lunatic, you should be fine.

Been busy with moving so my current run is stopped at chapter 10 atm (which I usually warpskip, I just need to refresh my memory on which items I need to get during the 1-2 turns setting up the skip).

EDIT: Also, you might have known this already, but there's 1 Gaiden chapter later that requires you have at least 1 person captured to unlock. I usually ditch Dalshin at the end of chapter 5 for this because while he's helpful for 4x/5, he starts to become a liability in chapters 6 and 7 because you're on outdoor maps again.

So far Manster hasn't seemed that awful by any means. 4 although time consuming wasn't that bad because Leaf's light sword is a god send. Fergus + Brighton with a Steel sword was enough to deal with the opening wave of 4x. About to deal with the mage squad on 5. My units are in the corridor by the arena and although I did unlock the zerk and galzus mareeta is blocking them off.

Currently Leaf is lvl 9 only, I fear I may have focused too much of Brighton Macua and Fergus, and while I can see myself using the later 2, the brighton investment was a mistake.
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