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On July 20 2015 07:54 Kipsate wrote:
can someone tldr or tldw what HB did and why everyone is salty
Ledge-camping like crazy, making M2K looking like a beginner in that regard. He got owned by Armada and Mango eventually in that regard though...but not after winning a game against Armada thanks to timeout.
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On July 20 2015 07:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 07:54 Kipsate wrote:
can someone tldr or tldw what HB did and why everyone is salty Get lead -> Camp on ledge -> Wait for other guy to approach or run the clock out.
Ok now someone explain to me how HB was camping more than Armada who was keeping the distance with lasers for solid minutes. Like if you hate HB because of camping why would you hate him in that situation?
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On July 20 2015 07:58 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 07:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 20 2015 07:54 Kipsate wrote:
can someone tldr or tldw what HB did and why everyone is salty Get lead -> Camp on ledge -> Wait for other guy to approach or run the clock out. Ok now someone explain to me how HB was camping more than Armada who was keeping the distance with lasers for solid minutes. Like if you hate HB because of camping why would you hate him in that situation?
You mean on FD where he actually crossed HBox? Or do you mean when HBox was camping that he rarely approached, shooting lasers and only attacking when he saw an opening? The former is definitely not worse and the latter is the fault of HBox since it is extremely risky to approach normally with a good chance at getting gimped.
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On July 20 2015 07:58 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 07:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 20 2015 07:54 Kipsate wrote:
can someone tldr or tldw what HB did and why everyone is salty Get lead -> Camp on ledge -> Wait for other guy to approach or run the clock out. Ok now someone explain to me how HB was camping more than Armada who was keeping the distance with lasers for solid minutes. Like if you hate HB because of camping why would you hate him in that situation?
laser camping requires spacing to avoid getting put into the corner as well as the fact you rack up percent with lasers
im kinda suprised that ledge stalling doesnt count as stalling when something like wobbling past 250 does
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after watching melee i simply cannot understand why 'normal' fighting games are liked as well haha
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On July 20 2015 08:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
after watching melee i simply cannot understand why 'normal' fighting games are liked as well haha
That goes both ways.
I wish melee wasn't at evo, it doesn't fit there, it needs it's own tournament
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On July 20 2015 08:08 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 08:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
after watching melee i simply cannot understand why 'normal' fighting games are liked as well haha That goes both ways. I wish melee wasn't at evo, it doesn't fit there, it needs it's own tournament
2 characters hit eachother and do damage
seems good to me
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On July 20 2015 07:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 07:39 Makro wrote:
another noob question but how do the pro train ?
because if i'm correct they don't have access to a decent online system ? i may be wrong There is an emulator + netplay, but it's not ideal since there's non negligible lag for anyting outside of super close distances. Really bad for frame dependent games like Melee. It's usually just local tourneys - that's why having a strong local scene has historically been so crucial for creating top players, cause there's just access to more high quality people to play with. Which is why it's super strange how PPMD does so well since he's in a relatively weak region and doesn't travel to tournaments. Still think PPMD fluked a lot but meh. 0-6 to gods~
You can get less lag than a tournament set up w/ CRT with the right netplay setup
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On July 20 2015 08:11 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 07:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 20 2015 07:39 Makro wrote:
another noob question but how do the pro train ?
because if i'm correct they don't have access to a decent online system ? i may be wrong There is an emulator + netplay, but it's not ideal since there's non negligible lag for anyting outside of super close distances. Really bad for frame dependent games like Melee. It's usually just local tourneys - that's why having a strong local scene has historically been so crucial for creating top players, cause there's just access to more high quality people to play with. Which is why it's super strange how PPMD does so well since he's in a relatively weak region and doesn't travel to tournaments. Still think PPMD fluked a lot but meh. 0-6 to gods~ You can get less lag than a tournament set up w/ CRT with the right netplay setup
? no u cant at best when playing vs someone on the same computer its the same (with the right adapter)
but as soon as you netplay someone there is at least 1 buffer, usually 3
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On July 20 2015 08:11 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 07:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 20 2015 07:39 Makro wrote:
another noob question but how do the pro train ?
because if i'm correct they don't have access to a decent online system ? i may be wrong There is an emulator + netplay, but it's not ideal since there's non negligible lag for anyting outside of super close distances. Really bad for frame dependent games like Melee. It's usually just local tourneys - that's why having a strong local scene has historically been so crucial for creating top players, cause there's just access to more high quality people to play with. Which is why it's super strange how PPMD does so well since he's in a relatively weak region and doesn't travel to tournaments. Still think PPMD fluked a lot but meh. 0-6 to gods~ You can get less lag than a tournament set up w/ CRT with the right netplay setup
That makes literally no sense
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On July 20 2015 08:12 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 08:11 aRyuujin wrote:On July 20 2015 07:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 20 2015 07:39 Makro wrote:
another noob question but how do the pro train ?
because if i'm correct they don't have access to a decent online system ? i may be wrong There is an emulator + netplay, but it's not ideal since there's non negligible lag for anyting outside of super close distances. Really bad for frame dependent games like Melee. It's usually just local tourneys - that's why having a strong local scene has historically been so crucial for creating top players, cause there's just access to more high quality people to play with. Which is why it's super strange how PPMD does so well since he's in a relatively weak region and doesn't travel to tournaments. Still think PPMD fluked a lot but meh. 0-6 to gods~ You can get less lag than a tournament set up w/ CRT with the right netplay setup ? no u cant at best when playing vs someone on the same computer its the same (with the right adapter) but as soon as you netplay someone there is at least 1 buffer, usually 3
Console polls more slowly than 6554.
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On July 20 2015 08:17 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 08:12 Targe wrote:On July 20 2015 08:11 aRyuujin wrote:On July 20 2015 07:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 20 2015 07:39 Makro wrote:
another noob question but how do the pro train ?
because if i'm correct they don't have access to a decent online system ? i may be wrong There is an emulator + netplay, but it's not ideal since there's non negligible lag for anyting outside of super close distances. Really bad for frame dependent games like Melee. It's usually just local tourneys - that's why having a strong local scene has historically been so crucial for creating top players, cause there's just access to more high quality people to play with. Which is why it's super strange how PPMD does so well since he's in a relatively weak region and doesn't travel to tournaments. Still think PPMD fluked a lot but meh. 0-6 to gods~ You can get less lag than a tournament set up w/ CRT with the right netplay setup ? no u cant at best when playing vs someone on the same computer its the same (with the right adapter) but as soon as you netplay someone there is at least 1 buffer, usually 3 Console polls more slowly than 6554.
that doesnt matter you have at least 1 buffered frame on netplay and thats if they literally live next door and you have godlike net
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On July 20 2015 08:19 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 08:17 aRyuujin wrote:On July 20 2015 08:12 Targe wrote:On July 20 2015 08:11 aRyuujin wrote:On July 20 2015 07:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 20 2015 07:39 Makro wrote:
another noob question but how do the pro train ?
because if i'm correct they don't have access to a decent online system ? i may be wrong There is an emulator + netplay, but it's not ideal since there's non negligible lag for anyting outside of super close distances. Really bad for frame dependent games like Melee. It's usually just local tourneys - that's why having a strong local scene has historically been so crucial for creating top players, cause there's just access to more high quality people to play with. Which is why it's super strange how PPMD does so well since he's in a relatively weak region and doesn't travel to tournaments. Still think PPMD fluked a lot but meh. 0-6 to gods~ You can get less lag than a tournament set up w/ CRT with the right netplay setup ? no u cant at best when playing vs someone on the same computer its the same (with the right adapter) but as soon as you netplay someone there is at least 1 buffer, usually 3 Console polls more slowly than 6554. that doesnt matter you have at least 1 buffered frame on netplay and thats if they literally live next door and you have godlike net
How much buffer do u put lmao
My ping isnt Ebola so I max ping like 30ish which translates to two buffer which is one frame. Aka it's basically indistinguishable. People rag hard on netplay but i bet you'd never notice the difference playing on an optimal netplay setup.
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On July 20 2015 08:24 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 08:19 Targe wrote:On July 20 2015 08:17 aRyuujin wrote:On July 20 2015 08:12 Targe wrote:On July 20 2015 08:11 aRyuujin wrote:On July 20 2015 07:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 20 2015 07:39 Makro wrote:
another noob question but how do the pro train ?
because if i'm correct they don't have access to a decent online system ? i may be wrong There is an emulator + netplay, but it's not ideal since there's non negligible lag for anyting outside of super close distances. Really bad for frame dependent games like Melee. It's usually just local tourneys - that's why having a strong local scene has historically been so crucial for creating top players, cause there's just access to more high quality people to play with. Which is why it's super strange how PPMD does so well since he's in a relatively weak region and doesn't travel to tournaments. Still think PPMD fluked a lot but meh. 0-6 to gods~ You can get less lag than a tournament set up w/ CRT with the right netplay setup ? no u cant at best when playing vs someone on the same computer its the same (with the right adapter) but as soon as you netplay someone there is at least 1 buffer, usually 3 Console polls more slowly than 6554. that doesnt matter you have at least 1 buffered frame on netplay and thats if they literally live next door and you have godlike net How much buffer do u put lmao My ping isnt Ebola so I max ping like 30ish which translates to two buffer which is one frame. Aka it's basically indistinguishable. People rag hard on netplay but i bet you'd never notice the difference playing on an optimal netplay setup.
HOLY SHIT i feel the difference hard, i actually cant waveland onto platforms on netplay, and i see people complaining all the time about playing vs falcos all the time, i have no idea how you cant feel it.
buffer is always 3-4 because i have 40-50 ping always
like i literally have a crt and my pc right next to me and i swap from the crt for 20xx practice to netplay to play people, the difference is so noticeable lmao
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On July 20 2015 08:24 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 08:19 Targe wrote:On July 20 2015 08:17 aRyuujin wrote:On July 20 2015 08:12 Targe wrote:On July 20 2015 08:11 aRyuujin wrote:On July 20 2015 07:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 20 2015 07:39 Makro wrote:
another noob question but how do the pro train ?
because if i'm correct they don't have access to a decent online system ? i may be wrong There is an emulator + netplay, but it's not ideal since there's non negligible lag for anyting outside of super close distances. Really bad for frame dependent games like Melee. It's usually just local tourneys - that's why having a strong local scene has historically been so crucial for creating top players, cause there's just access to more high quality people to play with. Which is why it's super strange how PPMD does so well since he's in a relatively weak region and doesn't travel to tournaments. Still think PPMD fluked a lot but meh. 0-6 to gods~ You can get less lag than a tournament set up w/ CRT with the right netplay setup ? no u cant at best when playing vs someone on the same computer its the same (with the right adapter) but as soon as you netplay someone there is at least 1 buffer, usually 3 Console polls more slowly than 6554. that doesnt matter you have at least 1 buffered frame on netplay and thats if they literally live next door and you have godlike net How much buffer do u put lmao My ping isnt Ebola so I max ping like 30ish which translates to two buffer which is one frame. Aka it's basically indistinguishable. People rag hard on netplay but i bet you'd never notice the difference playing on an optimal netplay setup.
Thats pretty much 2 frames of lag before anything else. Idk how you think thats possibly less lag then a tournament set up
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On July 20 2015 08:28 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 08:24 aRyuujin wrote:On July 20 2015 08:19 Targe wrote:On July 20 2015 08:17 aRyuujin wrote:On July 20 2015 08:12 Targe wrote:On July 20 2015 08:11 aRyuujin wrote:On July 20 2015 07:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 20 2015 07:39 Makro wrote:
another noob question but how do the pro train ?
because if i'm correct they don't have access to a decent online system ? i may be wrong There is an emulator + netplay, but it's not ideal since there's non negligible lag for anyting outside of super close distances. Really bad for frame dependent games like Melee. It's usually just local tourneys - that's why having a strong local scene has historically been so crucial for creating top players, cause there's just access to more high quality people to play with. Which is why it's super strange how PPMD does so well since he's in a relatively weak region and doesn't travel to tournaments. Still think PPMD fluked a lot but meh. 0-6 to gods~ You can get less lag than a tournament set up w/ CRT with the right netplay setup ? no u cant at best when playing vs someone on the same computer its the same (with the right adapter) but as soon as you netplay someone there is at least 1 buffer, usually 3 Console polls more slowly than 6554. that doesnt matter you have at least 1 buffered frame on netplay and thats if they literally live next door and you have godlike net How much buffer do u put lmao My ping isnt Ebola so I max ping like 30ish which translates to two buffer which is one frame. Aka it's basically indistinguishable. People rag hard on netplay but i bet you'd never notice the difference playing on an optimal netplay setup. HOLY SHIT i feel the difference hard, i actually cant waveland onto platforms on netplay, and i see people complaining all the time about playing vs falcos all the time, i have no idea how you cant feel it. buffer is always 3-4 because i have 40-50 ping always like i literally have a crt and my pc right next to me and i swap from the crt for 20xx practice to netplay to play people, the difference is so noticeable lmao
You probably have the wrong adapter, the old build, a slow PC, or the wrong monitor.
https://www.smashladder.com/guides/view/2584/how-to-the-new-dolphin-build
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On July 20 2015 08:33 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2015 08:28 Targe wrote:On July 20 2015 08:24 aRyuujin wrote:On July 20 2015 08:19 Targe wrote:On July 20 2015 08:17 aRyuujin wrote:On July 20 2015 08:12 Targe wrote:On July 20 2015 08:11 aRyuujin wrote:On July 20 2015 07:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 20 2015 07:39 Makro wrote:
another noob question but how do the pro train ?
because if i'm correct they don't have access to a decent online system ? i may be wrong There is an emulator + netplay, but it's not ideal since there's non negligible lag for anyting outside of super close distances. Really bad for frame dependent games like Melee. It's usually just local tourneys - that's why having a strong local scene has historically been so crucial for creating top players, cause there's just access to more high quality people to play with. Which is why it's super strange how PPMD does so well since he's in a relatively weak region and doesn't travel to tournaments. Still think PPMD fluked a lot but meh. 0-6 to gods~ You can get less lag than a tournament set up w/ CRT with the right netplay setup ? no u cant at best when playing vs someone on the same computer its the same (with the right adapter) but as soon as you netplay someone there is at least 1 buffer, usually 3 Console polls more slowly than 6554. that doesnt matter you have at least 1 buffered frame on netplay and thats if they literally live next door and you have godlike net How much buffer do u put lmao My ping isnt Ebola so I max ping like 30ish which translates to two buffer which is one frame. Aka it's basically indistinguishable. People rag hard on netplay but i bet you'd never notice the difference playing on an optimal netplay setup. HOLY SHIT i feel the difference hard, i actually cant waveland onto platforms on netplay, and i see people complaining all the time about playing vs falcos all the time, i have no idea how you cant feel it. buffer is always 3-4 because i have 40-50 ping always like i literally have a crt and my pc right next to me and i swap from the crt for 20xx practice to netplay to play people, the difference is so noticeable lmao You probably have the wrong adapter, the old build, a slow PC, or the wrong monitor. https://www.smashladder.com/guides/view/2584/how-to-the-new-dolphin-build
I don't think you've ever gone to a local if you're seriously arguing that netplay lag is unnoticeable
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