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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
fucking motbob lmao | ||
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
On July 20 2015 08:37 bo1b wrote: I don't think you've ever gone to a local if you're seriously arguing that netplay lag is unnoticeable I go to locals and I have a CRT set up with 20xx and melee on a hacked wii I don't think you've ever played lagless netplay There's a big difference dude between bad netplay and the perfect set up And if you play people with high ping of course you're boned Look I'm not saying that netplay is perfect and I'm not advocating practicing with it. But perfect lagless netplay is an extremely recent invention that almost no one has tried, but everybody still hates on it because they assume it's as bad as the 2 port may flash on 652 with any old monitor | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
Edit: a fuck why you gotta go and beat me. ANYWAY, yeah if you're lucky enough to be able to play 4 buffer or less the majority of the time, it's barely if at all noticeable, and congratulations. Most people don't have that luxury. The reason I'm not on netplay all the time is because I don't always get that opportunity, otherwise I'd probably just play netplay. Unfortunately, to find people around my skill level I often have to skip-over the hardcores who're on all the time in Seattle because the only people on are in Oregon or Cali (I'm BC.) | ||
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jinyung2
Luxembourg1455 Posts
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
On July 20 2015 08:54 jinyung2 wrote: so if you have that latest dolphin build and a gamecube adapter for wii u you have a lagless set up? Need the right monitor | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On July 20 2015 08:54 jinyung2 wrote: so if you have that latest dolphin build and a gamecube adapter for wii u you have a lagless set up? with the right monitor and the new adapter its basically lagless on a local setup, but with netplay its worse | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On July 20 2015 08:44 aRyuujin wrote: I go to locals and I have a CRT set up with 20xx and melee on a hacked wii I don't think you've ever played lagless netplay There's a big difference dude between bad netplay and the perfect set up And if you play people with high ping of course you're boned Look I'm not saying that netplay is perfect and I'm not advocating practicing with it. But perfect lagless netplay is an extremely recent invention that almost no one has tried, but everybody still hates on it because they assume it's as bad as the 2 port may flash on 652 with any old monitor They hate on it because perfect lagless netplay doesn't exist. You're literally arguing that 30 ms is lagless, when its effectively 2 frames of lag. I don't know what you're trying to achieve by spewing this bullshit out but unless you're playing over lan it's not going to be lagless at all, and 30 ms of delay is incredibly important. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On July 20 2015 09:26 TheYango wrote: Isn't it still a pointless argument though? Even if you're playing with a lagless setup, almost no one else is, so aren't you just playing against people with an enormous handicap if you're lagless and your opponent isn't? we take those lmao | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On July 20 2015 09:59 TheYango wrote: Well right, but the actual motive of lagless netplay is for it to be good practice. If you're playing everyone with an enormous handicap because of their lag AND not many good players are playing netplay due to the stigma against it, that sort of defeats the purpose even if lagless netplay *exists* because it still doesn't accomplish the goal of being good practice. i have access to good players and im still at a point where playing netplay can help me learn which is why i play netplay (plus i dont have access to other smashers at the moment) | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On July 20 2015 08:31 Cedstick wrote: Fucking Motbob -_- https://smash.gg/tournament/evo-2015/fantasy I put a lot of time and effort into making my team, no joke. I beat everyone else pretty badly so I guess it paid off. | ||
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
Edit I'm a derp, didn't realize top 8 was on the srkevo1 stream today. http://www.twitch.tv/srkevo1/v/7998938?t=4h19m40s | ||
]343[
United States10328 Posts
 Top 8 was super hype, though only Armada and Hbox were playing well. Mango was looking shaky even against Chu, and then did the hardest throw in history. Chu dropped a game-winning wobble game 1 (Dizzkidboogie was next to me and was not happy about that.) Axe missed a bunch of crucial tailspikes. Leffen was just not looking as clean as he usually does, even missing some waveshine upsmashes vs Plup (though that wd back oos uptilt against Axe's crossup nair was sooooooo slick agh). Plup was making tons of technical flubs, while PP's neutral was weak (for PP) and he repeatedly dropped punishes... but Hbox played out of his mind (beating Armada on Stadium?????), and Armada was his usual solid, don't-make-mistakes self. Both Hbox and Armada made incredible use of crouch cancelling (or maybe just ASDI down?) to get out of scary setups (Hbox cc'd side b and dodged the ensuing uptilt; Armada cc shined some aerials that would've led into edgeguard situations or grabs.) Amazing play by those two. | ||
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
On July 20 2015 11:52 motbob wrote: I put a lot of time and effort into making my team, no joke. I beat everyone else pretty badly so I guess it paid off. good shit motbob https://smash.gg/tournament/evo-2015/fantasy/a91f70d0 if only i used my last $250 (tafo kjh mdz squible wobbles) better lol, another 500+ points would've been definitely achievable the ken / lovage / azen picks were sick though; ken beating wes and azen beating fly = ????? | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
I want to take a step back from this issue a little bit and maybe dodge the issue of whether booing is an objectionable thing or not. Whenever a person does something like invoke the rules to take a stock under nitpicky circumstances (like Leffen did), one line of discourse that inevitably arises is, "You play to win, so Player's actions were completely justified," as if "play to win" is a tenet of esports competition grounded in the firmest bedrock. But, of course, not everyone plays to win at all costs, and it might be argued that very few people do. When you play, do you, personally, get satisfaction from only winning? Or do you also care about your ties with your local community? Or your relationships with others, which are built up over time as you attend tournaments? If you care about relationships as well as winning, what goes through your mind when someone you have known for months/years accidentally pauses in tournament? The decision to take a stock, as allowed in the rules, can't be automatic. The decision is made by balancing your desire to build positive relationships with others with the desire to win. There is no right or wrong decision. Everything depends on the situation and on your personal preferences. Likewise, there is a relationship with the audience that is affected by your actions. And it is a relationship that has very real effects. Anyone who has been in the public eye for any extended period of time can attest to the draining effects that interacting with the internet community can bring. There may be dozens of positive comments and very few negative ones, but the negative comments tend to create stronger emotions inside you, and those emotions can be draining. It's not hard to find examples of people who simply cannot deal with negative comments at all (TB being probably the most glaring one). And God forbid you piss off a large part of the internet audience. Ask Ellen Pao what that can lead to. So to bring it all together, your actions in the game as a player on the big stage cannot automatically be based on a "play to win" mentality. They must also take into account your relationship with the audience. In my view, when viewing the shifting relationship between Hbox and the audience this weekend, the proper thing to get out of the situation is not to get mad at the audience for being human and having a natural human reaction. Rather, it's to express admiration for Hbox, who knows the ledge camp strategy is awful for spectators and knows that he's going to take heat for it, but who simply doesn't care. Hbox completely wrecked his relationship with the audience because he had the WILL to do so. The WILL to win at all costs. His preferences are in the "play to win" category far more than any other top player's except maybe Leffen's. That's been true for years: a top player from Florida was on commentary (at Genesis?) and said something to the effect of, "This is the only time when we would ever cheer for Hungrybox." He didn't care then and he doesn't care now. Look at the contrast between Mango and Hungrybox. Could their attitude toward the game be any different? Mango cares deeply about relationships with others, putting on a show for the audience, and having fun in the moment. Winning is something like 4th on his list of priorities (witness his months/years of sandbagging), with EVO maybe being the exception. If audiences were dispassionate and polite, the choice would be meaningless. Celebrate the boos. The boos arise out of the mental fortitude and unique personality of one man. And I think that's awesome. | ||
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Just_a_Moth
Canada1950 Posts
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
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