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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-17 20:43:49
June 17 2015 20:43 GMT
#161
Final Fantasy 4 on DS was harder than the original, hope they do the same on FF7
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
June 17 2015 21:09 GMT
#162
On June 16 2015 16:59 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 16:43 Spaylz wrote:
On June 16 2015 16:28 zeo wrote:
On June 16 2015 16:22 maartendq wrote:
This really seems to be the console generation of remakes.

They say that about every console generation (the last two at least).

Square using their 'get out of bankruptcy free' card when they are in a stable financial position is kind of interesting... Hope it comes out on GOG... lol, who am I kiding? :D Might be the only game I'll break my 'dont buy games on Steam anymore' rule for.


Their "get out of banruptcy" card has been played. It was FFXIV.

[image loading]
This happened just after FF7 was announced yesterday lol


Employee buys massive number of the company stocks. FF7 News shoots price up. Dumps the stock after. Not insider trading if officers buy their own stocks.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 17 2015 22:11 GMT
#163
Ah, good old graph shenanigans. In a reference frame of 2 whole hours, Square Enix's stock price jumped up a whopping 3%. *Gasp*

Still better than paralleluniverse graphs.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17775 Posts
June 18 2015 10:03 GMT
#164
They really should hire this guy:

Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-18 11:11:26
June 18 2015 10:56 GMT
#165
On June 18 2015 07:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Ah, good old graph shenanigans. In a reference frame of 2 whole hours, Square Enix's stock price jumped up a whopping 3%. *Gasp*

Still better than paralleluniverse graphs.

The intel magazine ?
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17775 Posts
June 18 2015 11:55 GMT
#166
On June 18 2015 07:11 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Ah, good old graph shenanigans. In a reference frame of 2 whole hours, Square Enix's stock price jumped up a whopping 3%. *Gasp*

Still better than paralleluniverse graphs.



[image loading]

Didn't last long.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
zionman
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Belgium149 Posts
June 18 2015 12:38 GMT
#167
How do u guys feel about the ps 4 final fantasy type-0 ?
freakz
Ghardo
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Germany1685 Posts
June 18 2015 12:46 GMT
#168
Maybe an interesting point about the remake discussion:

Ok so I hate to be that guy, but...

I’d really like to not be cynical every once in a while and get excited over that FF7 remake, but then I read stuff like this and all my fangirl systems just switch to “bohica”:

“Since we now formally revealed Kazushige Nojima’s name for the scenario, there will be more plot devices in the story, so I think you can also look forward to that.”

And:

“if you are going to do a full remake, you have to take a different approach and make something that suits the times.”

Like I said, I’d love to have faith. I’d love to look forward to seeing the game that shaped my videogame playing experience so deeply, and affected me so much as a writer. I’d love to go on a shiny HD journey with Cloud & Co. and experience all the pathos and quirkiness that made the original so great.

But even if I disregard all the crap Squeenix has been pulling in recent years, like not finishing games, nostalgia cash-grabs, and horrendous pay-to-play schemes… I don’t trust them to keep the changes merely cosmetic.

I don’t trust them not to chicken out of some of the more “controversial” stuff like the cross-dressing or the Gold Saucer date sequence with Barret, and then, well, there’s Advent Children. There’s Diiiiirrrrrge. There’s Dr. WTF and Hojo resurrecting himself with the help of an internet meme and boyband bikers and Gackt, and it will be physically impossible for them to resist the temptation of trying to make all that “line up” with the original.

I really, really hope I’ll be mistaken, and they’ll practice self-restraint and moderation and try to remember what made the original FFVII so great. But part of me looks at the past fifteen-odd years and can’t help but feel like they’ll tackle this with all the subtlety of a toddler armed with an unlimited crayola supply and set loose in a Rembrandt collection.


*source tumblr: http://fury-brand.tumblr.com/post/121832178867/ok-so-i-hate-to-be-that-guy-but
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
June 18 2015 13:08 GMT
#169
Square Enix went through a rough time after FFX and FFXI. They sort of lost their way, tried too hard to target the western market, and up until a couple of years ago they were nearly bankrupt.

But I don't think SE is the type to chicken out of anything, at least not when it comes to moments like Cloud cross-dressing and such. I've said it several times, but I play FFXIV, and in that game, there are tons of sexual inuendos and crass moments. Also outright insults (lots of "shite" especially). I am not worried about them messing too much with those aspects.

However, it is clear that they intend to do something diffferent. See here.

Nomura has repeatedly refused to be drawn on what might change (although he has hinted the Honey Bee Inn section will remain, along with other light-hearted moments) but said he won’t do anything too “drastic” like switching genders, for example, and his colleagues are keen to retain as much of the original’s spirit as possible.

That said, it’s extremely unlikely the combat of the original will be retained.

“We can’t have these upgraded, beautiful 3D models of Cloud and Barrett, still lining up in a row, jumping forward to attack an enemy, then jumping back to wait for their next turn,” Nomura said. That would be bizarre. Of course there will likely be changes there.”


Basically, the way it's looking right now, the changes we can expect are related to the combat system.
I like words.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-18 13:31:23
June 18 2015 13:30 GMT
#170
I think some changes will be good so old players can play it with a sense of wonder. Like people who have read A Song of Ice and Fire can watch Game of Thrones without really knowing what's going to happen and can even see bonus lore and character development that the books didn't contain. For me, some of the musical themes coming back and the artistic style, which obviously will be heavily influenced / remade from the original, are all it will take to have a good experience. The specific story and combat aren't so important to me. I agree with Nomura that changing the combat is a no-brainer so that old players aren't bored of it and new players aren't turned off by archaic systems. I told my wife she has to play the remake and she said she doesn't like the combat of those games so I'm glad to hear they'll be updating it.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-18 14:04:31
June 18 2015 14:04 GMT
#171
Yeah just hearing the music and reliving certain scenes in those new graphics will be enough for me, everything else is a bonus .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 18 2015 14:20 GMT
#172
On June 18 2015 22:08 Spaylz wrote:
Square Enix went through a rough time after FFX and FFXI. They sort of lost their way, tried too hard to target the western market, and up until a couple of years ago they were nearly bankrupt.

But I don't think SE is the type to chicken out of anything, at least not when it comes to moments like Cloud cross-dressing and such. I've said it several times, but I play FFXIV, and in that game, there are tons of sexual inuendos and crass moments. Also outright insults (lots of "shite" especially). I am not worried about them messing too much with those aspects.

However, it is clear that they intend to do something diffferent. See here.

Show nested quote +
Nomura has repeatedly refused to be drawn on what might change (although he has hinted the Honey Bee Inn section will remain, along with other light-hearted moments) but said he won’t do anything too “drastic” like switching genders, for example, and his colleagues are keen to retain as much of the original’s spirit as possible.

That said, it’s extremely unlikely the combat of the original will be retained.

“We can’t have these upgraded, beautiful 3D models of Cloud and Barrett, still lining up in a row, jumping forward to attack an enemy, then jumping back to wait for their next turn,” Nomura said. That would be bizarre. Of course there will likely be changes there.”


Basically, the way it's looking right now, the changes we can expect are related to the combat system.

That's awesome. I'd even be ready to take a real time action combat system :D
wndr
Profile Joined January 2012
19 Posts
June 18 2015 14:31 GMT
#173
Wasn't exactly hoping for an FFVII remake. I thought the original was enough, but after seeing that trailer I'm hyped! They nailed Midgar's atmosphere.

Judging by the script, I'd like to think they know their fanbase well.
Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
June 18 2015 15:32 GMT
#174
On June 18 2015 21:46 Ghardo wrote:
Maybe an interesting point about the remake discussion:

Show nested quote +
Ok so I hate to be that guy, but...

I’d really like to not be cynical every once in a while and get excited over that FF7 remake, but then I read stuff like this and all my fangirl systems just switch to “bohica”:

“Since we now formally revealed Kazushige Nojima’s name for the scenario, there will be more plot devices in the story, so I think you can also look forward to that.”

And:

“if you are going to do a full remake, you have to take a different approach and make something that suits the times.”

Like I said, I’d love to have faith. I’d love to look forward to seeing the game that shaped my videogame playing experience so deeply, and affected me so much as a writer. I’d love to go on a shiny HD journey with Cloud & Co. and experience all the pathos and quirkiness that made the original so great.

But even if I disregard all the crap Squeenix has been pulling in recent years, like not finishing games, nostalgia cash-grabs, and horrendous pay-to-play schemes… I don’t trust them to keep the changes merely cosmetic.

I don’t trust them not to chicken out of some of the more “controversial” stuff like the cross-dressing or the Gold Saucer date sequence with Barret, and then, well, there’s Advent Children. There’s Diiiiirrrrrge. There’s Dr. WTF and Hojo resurrecting himself with the help of an internet meme and boyband bikers and Gackt, and it will be physically impossible for them to resist the temptation of trying to make all that “line up” with the original.

I really, really hope I’ll be mistaken, and they’ll practice self-restraint and moderation and try to remember what made the original FFVII so great. But part of me looks at the past fifteen-odd years and can’t help but feel like they’ll tackle this with all the subtlety of a toddler armed with an unlimited crayola supply and set loose in a Rembrandt collection.


*source tumblr: http://fury-brand.tumblr.com/post/121832178867/ok-so-i-hate-to-be-that-guy-but


This is on point.

All the old farts that are excited about this are deluded. They're not SE's target audience. They'll ride the nostalgia marketing wave, disappoint adults and craft a game that will appeal to teenagers (the generation that grew with Advent Children and DoC, not with the original game).

AAA companies disappoint gamers all the time, yet they march forward, still. Because people buy their products. Sure, one could argue that Square Enix's strategy is wrong and that they should try to reach an older, more mature audience, but I seriously doubt that they'll turn 90 degrees and head towards a whole new market. If their plan was novelty, they wouldn't do a remake in the first place.
Le long pour l'un pour l'autre est court (le mot-à-mot du mot "amour").
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
June 18 2015 16:20 GMT
#175
On June 19 2015 00:32 Kukaracha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 21:46 Ghardo wrote:
Maybe an interesting point about the remake discussion:

Ok so I hate to be that guy, but...

I’d really like to not be cynical every once in a while and get excited over that FF7 remake, but then I read stuff like this and all my fangirl systems just switch to “bohica”:

“Since we now formally revealed Kazushige Nojima’s name for the scenario, there will be more plot devices in the story, so I think you can also look forward to that.”

And:

“if you are going to do a full remake, you have to take a different approach and make something that suits the times.”

Like I said, I’d love to have faith. I’d love to look forward to seeing the game that shaped my videogame playing experience so deeply, and affected me so much as a writer. I’d love to go on a shiny HD journey with Cloud & Co. and experience all the pathos and quirkiness that made the original so great.

But even if I disregard all the crap Squeenix has been pulling in recent years, like not finishing games, nostalgia cash-grabs, and horrendous pay-to-play schemes… I don’t trust them to keep the changes merely cosmetic.

I don’t trust them not to chicken out of some of the more “controversial” stuff like the cross-dressing or the Gold Saucer date sequence with Barret, and then, well, there’s Advent Children. There’s Diiiiirrrrrge. There’s Dr. WTF and Hojo resurrecting himself with the help of an internet meme and boyband bikers and Gackt, and it will be physically impossible for them to resist the temptation of trying to make all that “line up” with the original.

I really, really hope I’ll be mistaken, and they’ll practice self-restraint and moderation and try to remember what made the original FFVII so great. But part of me looks at the past fifteen-odd years and can’t help but feel like they’ll tackle this with all the subtlety of a toddler armed with an unlimited crayola supply and set loose in a Rembrandt collection.


*source tumblr: http://fury-brand.tumblr.com/post/121832178867/ok-so-i-hate-to-be-that-guy-but


This is on point.

All the old farts that are excited about this are deluded. They're not SE's target audience. They'll ride the nostalgia marketing wave, disappoint adults and craft a game that will appeal to teenagers (the generation that grew with Advent Children and DoC, not with the original game).

AAA companies disappoint gamers all the time, yet they march forward, still. Because people buy their products. Sure, one could argue that Square Enix's strategy is wrong and that they should try to reach an older, more mature audience, but I seriously doubt that they'll turn 90 degrees and head towards a whole new market. If their plan was novelty, they wouldn't do a remake in the first place.


Dude, why are you such a killjoy?

I'm fairly certain most of those who played FFVII back around 1997 are below their 30s today. We're not 50+ year old guys outdated by the newest console. And while I'm sure there are 50+ year old guys who did play back then and who are waiting, gamers are gamers. JRPGs are JRPGs. This is not apples and oranges. It may be different, but it won't be something that will be drastically different from your traditional Final Fantasy.

Seriously...
I like words.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-18 17:03:07
June 18 2015 17:02 GMT
#176
Im 22 and played FF7 when i was like 9-10 or some shit. It was amazing.

I hope they dont fuck with the combat system too much, maybe add some sort of battlefield movement that can give positional advantages (i.e backstab criticals, stagger locks or triggering enviromental stuff) like in 10-2 / 13 and leave the actual combat alone with that just as a form of "modernification". The ATB system was fast, fluid and fun as it was, especially in FF7 where it wasnt slowed down like in 8/9

I'm also hoping for some sort of hard mode for those who have played the game to death, although thats wishful thinking most likely. Having a hard mode would be wonderful, even if its just number tweaking instead of actual combat / ai changes.

I REALLY hope they dont fuck with the games pacing. I want everything to be the same length it was in the original, i.e midgar 3-4 hours, first disc 10-15 etc. I dont want them to shorten important scenes / plot at all, theres alot to take in and it would be amazing if done correctly in this gen, just the entire opening in midgar leaves me drooling at the thought.

Additional content would be sick too, fleshed out gold saucer anyone? Fleshed out arena? (A la FFX perhaps?) Additional sidequests? The first thing that springs to mind here would be vincent and lucrecias cave, after dirge of cerberus they have plenty to go on to expand on that. And of course everyone wants some more uber bosses, give us weapons! give us weapons!

Im really excited, i hope they do everything properly
Useless wet fish.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
June 18 2015 17:07 GMT
#177
I don't mind if they change some stuff (well, as long as Cloud doesn't become an energetic talkative dumb teenager like Zack is in Crisis Core...), like some alterations so players who know ff7 can be surprised.
Also give us more end game content, superbosses (FFX is the best on this, like the power curve is from 1 to 100 when you finish the game, but you can go from 100 to 10000 in the post game, and with matching bosses)
FF8 did the char development very well, but sadly there is no matching content, so powering up ruins the game basically.

I won't mind if they do some change in the scenes, just to keep things fresh.
Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
June 18 2015 18:56 GMT
#178
On June 19 2015 01:20 Spaylz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 00:32 Kukaracha wrote:
On June 18 2015 21:46 Ghardo wrote:
Maybe an interesting point about the remake discussion:

Ok so I hate to be that guy, but...

I’d really like to not be cynical every once in a while and get excited over that FF7 remake, but then I read stuff like this and all my fangirl systems just switch to “bohica”:

“Since we now formally revealed Kazushige Nojima’s name for the scenario, there will be more plot devices in the story, so I think you can also look forward to that.”

And:

“if you are going to do a full remake, you have to take a different approach and make something that suits the times.”

Like I said, I’d love to have faith. I’d love to look forward to seeing the game that shaped my videogame playing experience so deeply, and affected me so much as a writer. I’d love to go on a shiny HD journey with Cloud & Co. and experience all the pathos and quirkiness that made the original so great.

But even if I disregard all the crap Squeenix has been pulling in recent years, like not finishing games, nostalgia cash-grabs, and horrendous pay-to-play schemes… I don’t trust them to keep the changes merely cosmetic.

I don’t trust them not to chicken out of some of the more “controversial” stuff like the cross-dressing or the Gold Saucer date sequence with Barret, and then, well, there’s Advent Children. There’s Diiiiirrrrrge. There’s Dr. WTF and Hojo resurrecting himself with the help of an internet meme and boyband bikers and Gackt, and it will be physically impossible for them to resist the temptation of trying to make all that “line up” with the original.

I really, really hope I’ll be mistaken, and they’ll practice self-restraint and moderation and try to remember what made the original FFVII so great. But part of me looks at the past fifteen-odd years and can’t help but feel like they’ll tackle this with all the subtlety of a toddler armed with an unlimited crayola supply and set loose in a Rembrandt collection.


*source tumblr: http://fury-brand.tumblr.com/post/121832178867/ok-so-i-hate-to-be-that-guy-but


This is on point.

All the old farts that are excited about this are deluded. They're not SE's target audience. They'll ride the nostalgia marketing wave, disappoint adults and craft a game that will appeal to teenagers (the generation that grew with Advent Children and DoC, not with the original game).

AAA companies disappoint gamers all the time, yet they march forward, still. Because people buy their products. Sure, one could argue that Square Enix's strategy is wrong and that they should try to reach an older, more mature audience, but I seriously doubt that they'll turn 90 degrees and head towards a whole new market. If their plan was novelty, they wouldn't do a remake in the first place.


Dude, why are you such a killjoy?

I'm fairly certain most of those who played FFVII back around 1997 are below their 30s today. We're not 50+ year old guys outdated by the newest console. And while I'm sure there are 50+ year old guys who did play back then and who are waiting, gamers are gamers. JRPGs are JRPGs. This is not apples and oranges. It may be different, but it won't be something that will be drastically different from your traditional Final Fantasy.

Seriously...


I feel like it's better to temper the hype. Square Enix is building a marketing strategy around the nostalgia generated by what I consider to be a masterpiece, which feels wrong for two reasons: they're going to deceive the adult public and push sales through nostalgia marketing, and they're going to destroy something that is dear to me as a person, not even as a gamer.

30 is old for Square Enix. It's well beyond their audience target. Squaresoft is no more. Companies change, games change. JRPGs have changed, gamers have changed.

30 is old for the majority of AAA productions. The ESA says the average gamer is 40 years old, but that's statistical bullshit. Did you know they did that survey by asking people who were more than 16 years old the question "did you play at least once this year"? Realistically speaking, the average gamer is about 25 years old. In terms of spending and hours played, the bar is probably lower than 20 years old. So that's that: the industry is still too immature to rival the quality of movies or literature, AAA games are still, in 2015, mostly made for children and teenagers.

And in the middle of this, there is Square Enix who clearly targets the latter audience, it's no secret. So why should I believe that they will suddenly make something that isn't concentrated masturbatory fan servicing crap?
Le long pour l'un pour l'autre est court (le mot-à-mot du mot "amour").
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 18 2015 19:19 GMT
#179
Remaking this game was always going to be a Catch-22. You have the rabid fanbase who were clamouring for it, who believe that FF7 is the most perfect masterpiece and will tear you apart for daring to say it has any flaws that need fixing.

You've got the new crowd that have probably heard of it, and will probably find it to be good but ridiculously overhyped and overrated.

And then the crowd who liked the game but treat it as just another game, who may or may not buy it depending on how much value is added.

End of the day it's the rabid fanbase that's going to buy it regardless, and the HD remaster, and all the ports and steam releases, so there isn't much point focusing on them at all.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
June 19 2015 10:44 GMT
#180
On June 19 2015 03:56 Kukaracha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 01:20 Spaylz wrote:
On June 19 2015 00:32 Kukaracha wrote:
On June 18 2015 21:46 Ghardo wrote:
Maybe an interesting point about the remake discussion:

Ok so I hate to be that guy, but...

I’d really like to not be cynical every once in a while and get excited over that FF7 remake, but then I read stuff like this and all my fangirl systems just switch to “bohica”:

“Since we now formally revealed Kazushige Nojima’s name for the scenario, there will be more plot devices in the story, so I think you can also look forward to that.”

And:

“if you are going to do a full remake, you have to take a different approach and make something that suits the times.”

Like I said, I’d love to have faith. I’d love to look forward to seeing the game that shaped my videogame playing experience so deeply, and affected me so much as a writer. I’d love to go on a shiny HD journey with Cloud & Co. and experience all the pathos and quirkiness that made the original so great.

But even if I disregard all the crap Squeenix has been pulling in recent years, like not finishing games, nostalgia cash-grabs, and horrendous pay-to-play schemes… I don’t trust them to keep the changes merely cosmetic.

I don’t trust them not to chicken out of some of the more “controversial” stuff like the cross-dressing or the Gold Saucer date sequence with Barret, and then, well, there’s Advent Children. There’s Diiiiirrrrrge. There’s Dr. WTF and Hojo resurrecting himself with the help of an internet meme and boyband bikers and Gackt, and it will be physically impossible for them to resist the temptation of trying to make all that “line up” with the original.

I really, really hope I’ll be mistaken, and they’ll practice self-restraint and moderation and try to remember what made the original FFVII so great. But part of me looks at the past fifteen-odd years and can’t help but feel like they’ll tackle this with all the subtlety of a toddler armed with an unlimited crayola supply and set loose in a Rembrandt collection.


*source tumblr: http://fury-brand.tumblr.com/post/121832178867/ok-so-i-hate-to-be-that-guy-but


This is on point.

All the old farts that are excited about this are deluded. They're not SE's target audience. They'll ride the nostalgia marketing wave, disappoint adults and craft a game that will appeal to teenagers (the generation that grew with Advent Children and DoC, not with the original game).

AAA companies disappoint gamers all the time, yet they march forward, still. Because people buy their products. Sure, one could argue that Square Enix's strategy is wrong and that they should try to reach an older, more mature audience, but I seriously doubt that they'll turn 90 degrees and head towards a whole new market. If their plan was novelty, they wouldn't do a remake in the first place.


Dude, why are you such a killjoy?

I'm fairly certain most of those who played FFVII back around 1997 are below their 30s today. We're not 50+ year old guys outdated by the newest console. And while I'm sure there are 50+ year old guys who did play back then and who are waiting, gamers are gamers. JRPGs are JRPGs. This is not apples and oranges. It may be different, but it won't be something that will be drastically different from your traditional Final Fantasy.

Seriously...


I feel like it's better to temper the hype. Square Enix is building a marketing strategy around the nostalgia generated by what I consider to be a masterpiece, which feels wrong for two reasons: they're going to deceive the adult public and push sales through nostalgia marketing, and they're going to destroy something that is dear to me as a person, not even as a gamer.

30 is old for Square Enix. It's well beyond their audience target. Squaresoft is no more. Companies change, games change. JRPGs have changed, gamers have changed.

30 is old for the majority of AAA productions. The ESA says the average gamer is 40 years old, but that's statistical bullshit. Did you know they did that survey by asking people who were more than 16 years old the question "did you play at least once this year"? Realistically speaking, the average gamer is about 25 years old. In terms of spending and hours played, the bar is probably lower than 20 years old. So that's that: the industry is still too immature to rival the quality of movies or literature, AAA games are still, in 2015, mostly made for children and teenagers.

And in the middle of this, there is Square Enix who clearly targets the latter audience, it's no secret. So why should I believe that they will suddenly make something that isn't concentrated masturbatory fan servicing crap?


I suppose that's one way to look at it.

While I'm not letting myself get too hyped over this, I am fairly optimistic. In the latest years, Square Enix seems to have gotten itself back on track, and is starting to produce good quality games once more.

I also think the typical demographic to RPGs and JRPGs is older than average. They are story-focused game (especially in the case of Final Fantasy), and that tends to attract people from different ages. I also think a lot of people consider the late 1990s and early 2000s to be the "golden age" of RPGs, what with titles such as FF7-8-9-10, Star Ocean 2, Legend of Dragoon, etc.

Square Enix may not be targetting those players specifically, but it's a fair bet they'll all be getting the game.

I don't know. In my experience, Square Enix games don't seem too "kiddy" or teenage-orientied.
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