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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On June 28 2015 22:34 Kukaracha wrote: Crisis Core is not "good". It's mellow fanservice for those who want to escape reality through videogames and want their feelings left untouched, ergo the melodramatic element. Wow so much edge, such taste in vidya | ||
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ETisME
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
About Zack, he isn't emo at all. At first he is a kinda naive soldier who dreamed to become a Hero, and thats totally fine, a man of dreams and honor. As the game progresses he becomes more mature, not more emo, and much as Sephiroth, he basically starts the game belivivng in shinra and soldier and everything they do but as the game develops he starts to see the truth about Shinra. I guess the only "emo" part iswhen he needs to kill his friend, and when he starts realizing its not just a crazy scientist that is wrong with shinra, but the whole organization is shit, which conflicts with what he wanted to be. At the end Shinra betrays both Cloud and Zack and experiments with them, and ultimately manages to kill Zack just before they managed to get to Midgar. I mean, I don't want them to re-tell the whole story of Zack since that's what Crisis Core is, but it would be cool if they mentioned a little more about it. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 29 2015 01:51 [Phantom] wrote: Hum, I'll admit Crisis Core gots some weird thing in its story but I think its overall great. First it exaplains basically how the situation was before FF7, how Sephiroth went from a Hero who fighted for shinra to how he started doubting the company for all the shit they were doing to finally becoming crazed and influenced by Jenova when he learns he was " a monster" created by Shinra. About Zack, he isn't emo at all. At first he is a kinda naive soldier who dreamed to become a Hero, and thats totally fine, a man of dreams and honor. As the game progresses he becomes more mature, not more emo, and much as Sephiroth, he basically starts the game belivivng in shinra and soldier and everything they do but as the game develops he starts to see the truth about Shinra. I guess the only "emo" part iswhen he needs to kill his friend, and when he starts realizing its not just a crazy scientist that is wrong with shinra, but the whole organization is shit, which conflicts with what he wanted to be. At the end Shinra betrays both Cloud and Zack and experiments with them, and ultimately manages to kill Zack just before they managed to get to Midgar. I mean, I don't want them to re-tell the whole story of Zack since that's what Crisis Core is, but it would be cool if they mentioned a little more about it. And you would've known all of that story just by playing Final Fantasy 7. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
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josephmcjoe
United States57 Posts
Keep turn-based combat, the materia system, and the W-item glitch, and I'm a happy camper. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Plus it had a combat system that wasn't spam cait sith / power soul to win (Although the DMW system got a little tiring towards the end but thankfully you could turn it off) | ||
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TheEmulator
28100 Posts
 It's fun there but I love the rest of the game more. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On June 29 2015 04:14 josephmcjoe wrote: I couldn't disagree more about the story or gameplay going downhill after leaving Midgar. An entire world opens up, and you realize what sort of breadth the game has. Remember the city you spent the last 5 hours in? Well here's an immense map dotted with cities. I remember being floored when I played through the game as a 10-year-old. I've played through FF7 roughly once a year in the interim, and it has to be my favorite game of all time (sorry Starcraft). Keep turn-based combat, the materia system, and the W-item glitch, and I'm a happy camper. I can see that, and there is a bunch of cool stuff to do throughout. It's just that the level of detail and all the nice touches in Midgar were the clincher for me. The rest of the game just becomes increasingly incoherent, it really felt the reach of the devteam exceeded their grasp for the rest of the game. This is actually what I liked most about late SNES and early PS1 Square, it felt like they were really willing to try ridiculous stuff that probably wouldn't work, but hadn't done before. FF4 is the only FF that I felt was able to maintain control of its narrative throughout, even if it did get a little fetchquesty in parts. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On June 29 2015 03:49 WolfintheSheep wrote: And you would've known all of that story just by playing Final Fantasy 7. I agree. All of the key elements were there, shadowed by the past. If you explored the maps, if you went through the screens in Nibelheim, you could observe the backround and learn through a handful of cutscenes about the character's backstory. Crisis Core was more like "hey, you were too young or dumb to piece 2 and 2 together ? Here, let's go through all of it again, with explosions and metrosexual characters to make it cooler. Oh and let's take the gritty and darker parts off and add some more heroism and shounen elements because Naruto yeah !" "Oh and by the way the main antagonist is a popstar. To make it more believable and add credibility to the whole thing." ![[image loading]](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120331083137/finalfantasy/fr/images/8/8a/Gackt-Genesis.jpg) | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On June 29 2015 06:17 RagequitBM wrote: I love this thread, and the story elitists. I remember when I used to think I had such refined taste. Then I realized laughing at fart jokes, and enjoying flashy action games didn't make you dumb or have childish taste. Being an elitist on the other hand just makes you look like a douche. Spot on. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 29 2015 06:17 RagequitBM wrote: I love this thread, and the story elitists. I remember when I used to think I had such refined taste. Then I realized laughing at fart jokes, and enjoying flashy action games didn't make you dumb or have childish taste. Being an elitist on the other hand just makes you look like a douche. Lol, I haven't even played Crisis Core and wouldn't say if it was good, bad or terrible. I just read through Phantom's post and thought "I already knew all of this". And FF7 and Advent Children are the only parts of the franchise I've touched. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
On June 29 2015 06:17 RagequitBM wrote: I love this thread, and the story elitists. I remember when I used to think I had such refined taste. Then I realized laughing at fart jokes, and enjoying flashy action games didn't make you dumb or have childish taste. Being an elitist on the other hand just makes you look like a douche. When did taste become something negative? No one here is being elitist. In fact, if being a childish teen is the contrary of being the "elite", then the "elite" makes up for most of the population. We are in a video game forum, but let's not forget that the world is a little larger than that. If the only ambition you have for video games is "flashy action games", then let's skip FF VII game and all embrace Candy Crush Saga. However, if you believe that the narrative aspect of games - as the gameplay aspect has never been neglected - can go beyond the wants of the average teenager and reach a population that is all but an "elite", then you might agree that no game is beyond critique. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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Emerson_H
United States460 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On June 29 2015 08:38 Emerson_H wrote: ^ PC not powerful enough to run ff7 wat Well young'un, let me tell you about growing up in the 90's. See, we kids were all techy and smart, but our parents, no sir, they didn't know all these fancy com-pooter things. They heard all about them on those big CRTVs of theirs, but owning one? That was for them fancy folks. The internet? God help you son if you on that thing when daddy wanted to make a call. Cell phones? You're damn right I'll put you in a cell if you're runnin' up that phone bill. But sure enough, even parents gave in to the fancy machinery of the future, and if you were a kid with a big powerful 386, then those were exciting times. But those big boxes cost as much as a used car, and dang-nabbit, they were going to last as long as that. 486? 586? These numbers are moving too fast, why upgrade when the old one was just as good for pushing buttons. Now, along comes 1998, and it was a glorious year. You see, them PC games were getting fancy now, with millions of colours and big, beautiful, blocky 3D. And as a kid, it was your God given duty to have a computer that could play all these big games like Final Fantasy 7. So you cinched in your belt, tied your shoes on real tight, and asked your parents for a real computer, like a Pentium II. And when they asked you why, you bit your tongue and told the biggest lie of your life: "It's for homework." And that, youngster, is how you played Final Fantasy 7 on PC. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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