On June 17 2015 05:56 TanKLoveR wrote: I was never that into FFVII as the rest of the world, but I did enjoy it. A remake is SO necessary for this game, while VIII and IX look pretty decent and are very playable still, VII just looks bad, definitely looking forward to it.
That said, on the Gamespot stream they were discussing that they wouldn't want to play this if they stuck to the turn based combat, hoping they would make it more like FFXV. I was like... what? no... why would they change that, wouldn't be a remake if they turned the game into an action game just because apparently next gen graphics are too good to be bothered with turn based combat according to some people on Gamespot. I really don't want VII to have kingdom hearts or ffxv like combat, that would totally ruin it in my opinion, some tweaks would be nice but stick to turn based combat.
Agree. They can polish the combat mechanics, but they cannot mess with the turn-based system. I don't really imagine the materia system would work well without turn-based fights. The two form a solid strategic combo.
i hope they redesign the whole game. i dont think the turn based combat of the ff games (up until ff13 i think?) will be a lot of fun nowaday.
I don't think they can really mess with the battle system without pissing everyone off. The best we can hope for is for them to rebalance stuff so spamming Cait Sith slots / Tifa powersoul isn't the go to strat for every fight regardless of where you are in the game.
if they sell it as a new game and not just "hey look, its ff7, remember when you were 12 years old and played it?" i think they can have much more success with a completely new game. unless you have played the game in the 90s and are heavily blinded by nostalgia, there is no way people will enjoy the slow paced and one dimensional combat system of ff7.
One dimensional?
The materia system was really versatile. I'm confused now. Is that a thing? Do people think FF7's combat system was one dimensional?
On June 17 2015 06:05 [Phantom] wrote: Did you guys play crisis core? How about that battle system I liked it a lot. (Haven't played recent ff games so idk if its similar).
crisis core was my favorite FF other than tactics because of the combat/story, it was great. however a lot of people hated it..
On June 17 2015 05:56 TanKLoveR wrote: I was never that into FFVII as the rest of the world, but I did enjoy it. A remake is SO necessary for this game, while VIII and IX look pretty decent and are very playable still, VII just looks bad, definitely looking forward to it.
That said, on the Gamespot stream they were discussing that they wouldn't want to play this if they stuck to the turn based combat, hoping they would make it more like FFXV. I was like... what? no... why would they change that, wouldn't be a remake if they turned the game into an action game just because apparently next gen graphics are too good to be bothered with turn based combat according to some people on Gamespot. I really don't want VII to have kingdom hearts or ffxv like combat, that would totally ruin it in my opinion, some tweaks would be nice but stick to turn based combat.
Agree. They can polish the combat mechanics, but they cannot mess with the turn-based system. I don't really imagine the materia system would work well without turn-based fights. The two form a solid strategic combo.
i hope they redesign the whole game. i dont think the turn based combat of the ff games (up until ff13 i think?) will be a lot of fun nowaday.
I don't think they can really mess with the battle system without pissing everyone off. The best we can hope for is for them to rebalance stuff so spamming Cait Sith slots / Tifa powersoul isn't the go to strat for every fight regardless of where you are in the game.
if they sell it as a new game and not just "hey look, its ff7, remember when you were 12 years old and played it?" i think they can have much more success with a completely new game. unless you have played the game in the 90s and are heavily blinded by nostalgia, there is no way people will enjoy the slow paced and one dimensional combat system of ff7.
One dimensional?
The materia system was really versatile. I'm confused now. Is that a thing? Do people think FF7's combat system was one dimensional?
Its versatile as long as you don't know what you're doing. Once you know how to actually play the game its somewhat basic with very few actual combat options without gimping yourself intentionally. Given FF7 is pretty popular people know how to play the game and realize the flaws.
That said every other FF but FF9 and the 13 series is exactly the same so its not too much to complain about
I certainly don't think so, at least not with some numbers changes and creative battle design. If you've ever tried something like gjoerulv's hardcore mod with fastest active ATB, where you have to manage HP, MP, barrier timers, buffs/debuffs, elemental damage, items, and damage output patterns, there are definitely enough things going on to keep things interesting.
Granted, pre-battle setup and understanding enemy AI will always play a large role, and not everyone is going to enjoy dying to a boss the first time and having to figure out how to beat it, but the elements of turn-based combat in FF7 suffice to present interesting and challenging gameplay, if that's the goal. Vanilla FF7 definitely suffers from being too easy, and the default speed/ATB settings should've probably been faster, but that's not a criticism of the combat system itself.
On June 17 2015 05:56 TanKLoveR wrote: I was never that into FFVII as the rest of the world, but I did enjoy it. A remake is SO necessary for this game, while VIII and IX look pretty decent and are very playable still, VII just looks bad, definitely looking forward to it.
That said, on the Gamespot stream they were discussing that they wouldn't want to play this if they stuck to the turn based combat, hoping they would make it more like FFXV. I was like... what? no... why would they change that, wouldn't be a remake if they turned the game into an action game just because apparently next gen graphics are too good to be bothered with turn based combat according to some people on Gamespot. I really don't want VII to have kingdom hearts or ffxv like combat, that would totally ruin it in my opinion, some tweaks would be nice but stick to turn based combat.
Agree. They can polish the combat mechanics, but they cannot mess with the turn-based system. I don't really imagine the materia system would work well without turn-based fights. The two form a solid strategic combo.
i hope they redesign the whole game. i dont think the turn based combat of the ff games (up until ff13 i think?) will be a lot of fun nowaday.
I don't think they can really mess with the battle system without pissing everyone off. The best we can hope for is for them to rebalance stuff so spamming Cait Sith slots / Tifa powersoul isn't the go to strat for every fight regardless of where you are in the game.
if they sell it as a new game and not just "hey look, its ff7, remember when you were 12 years old and played it?" i think they can have much more success with a completely new game. unless you have played the game in the 90s and are heavily blinded by nostalgia, there is no way people will enjoy the slow paced and one dimensional combat system of ff7.
One dimensional?
The materia system was really versatile. I'm confused now. Is that a thing? Do people think FF7's combat system was one dimensional?
you could do a bit if number crunching and get really powerfull combinations, but the actual combat was dull. turn based games are fun because you can think multiple turns ahead and prepare against what the enemy throws at you and lay traps to outsmart him. the ff games have very little of it and the most of tactical gameplay you get is when you exploit weaknesses of your enemies, but i never considered it as very interesting to use a firespell on an enemy made of ice.
On June 17 2015 05:56 TanKLoveR wrote: I was never that into FFVII as the rest of the world, but I did enjoy it. A remake is SO necessary for this game, while VIII and IX look pretty decent and are very playable still, VII just looks bad, definitely looking forward to it.
That said, on the Gamespot stream they were discussing that they wouldn't want to play this if they stuck to the turn based combat, hoping they would make it more like FFXV. I was like... what? no... why would they change that, wouldn't be a remake if they turned the game into an action game just because apparently next gen graphics are too good to be bothered with turn based combat according to some people on Gamespot. I really don't want VII to have kingdom hearts or ffxv like combat, that would totally ruin it in my opinion, some tweaks would be nice but stick to turn based combat.
Agree. They can polish the combat mechanics, but they cannot mess with the turn-based system. I don't really imagine the materia system would work well without turn-based fights. The two form a solid strategic combo.
i hope they redesign the whole game. i dont think the turn based combat of the ff games (up until ff13 i think?) will be a lot of fun nowaday.
I don't think they can really mess with the battle system without pissing everyone off. The best we can hope for is for them to rebalance stuff so spamming Cait Sith slots / Tifa powersoul isn't the go to strat for every fight regardless of where you are in the game.
if they sell it as a new game and not just "hey look, its ff7, remember when you were 12 years old and played it?" i think they can have much more success with a completely new game. unless you have played the game in the 90s and are heavily blinded by nostalgia, there is no way people will enjoy the slow paced and one dimensional combat system of ff7.
One dimensional?
The materia system was really versatile. I'm confused now. Is that a thing? Do people think FF7's combat system was one dimensional?
Its versatile as long as you don't know what you're doing. Once you know how to actually play the game its somewhat basic with very few actual combat options without gimping yourself intentionally. Given FF7 is pretty popular people know how to play the game and realize the flaws.
That said every other FF but FF9 and the 13 series is exactly the same so its not too much to complain about
The combat System wasn't the Problem. You getting way too strong too fast was... My Cloud could basically solo the game (aside from the weapons) and Bosses, especially towards the end, never lasted longer than a handfull turns... If they can fix this the combat system has MUCH potential. It won't become as deep as a System like Xcom or the likes but it has more potential than FF7 "used".
On June 17 2015 05:56 TanKLoveR wrote: I was never that into FFVII as the rest of the world, but I did enjoy it. A remake is SO necessary for this game, while VIII and IX look pretty decent and are very playable still, VII just looks bad, definitely looking forward to it.
That said, on the Gamespot stream they were discussing that they wouldn't want to play this if they stuck to the turn based combat, hoping they would make it more like FFXV. I was like... what? no... why would they change that, wouldn't be a remake if they turned the game into an action game just because apparently next gen graphics are too good to be bothered with turn based combat according to some people on Gamespot. I really don't want VII to have kingdom hearts or ffxv like combat, that would totally ruin it in my opinion, some tweaks would be nice but stick to turn based combat.
Agree. They can polish the combat mechanics, but they cannot mess with the turn-based system. I don't really imagine the materia system would work well without turn-based fights. The two form a solid strategic combo.
i hope they redesign the whole game. i dont think the turn based combat of the ff games (up until ff13 i think?) will be a lot of fun nowaday.
I don't think they can really mess with the battle system without pissing everyone off. The best we can hope for is for them to rebalance stuff so spamming Cait Sith slots / Tifa powersoul isn't the go to strat for every fight regardless of where you are in the game.
if they sell it as a new game and not just "hey look, its ff7, remember when you were 12 years old and played it?" i think they can have much more success with a completely new game. unless you have played the game in the 90s and are heavily blinded by nostalgia, there is no way people will enjoy the slow paced and one dimensional combat system of ff7.
One dimensional?
The materia system was really versatile. I'm confused now. Is that a thing? Do people think FF7's combat system was one dimensional?
Its versatile as long as you don't know what you're doing. Once you know how to actually play the game its somewhat basic with very few actual combat options without gimping yourself intentionally. Given FF7 is pretty popular people know how to play the game and realize the flaws.
That said every other FF but FF9 and the 13 series is exactly the same so its not too much to complain about
The combat System wasn't the Problem. You getting way too strong to fast was... My Cloud could basically solo the game (aside from the weapons) and Bosses, especially towards the end, never lasted longer than a handfull turns... If they can fix this the combat system has MUCH potential.
The game gives Cait Sith an instant kill every boss / encounter button which is stupidly easy to pull off it doesn't really get easier than that
I agree that making it harder would at least help though (Although it'd still end up being powersoul or cait sith spam)
I REALLY hope they nail the voice acting. This is so important. I want voice acting on par with FFX's.
Please, SE.
Not sure if anyone has said this yet but wouldn't they probably try and get the advent children VA's to do this?
I imagine they would. It's not like they have to go out of their way to get those VA's back either, since they're all just voice acting industry mainstays.
I REALLY hope they nail the voice acting. This is so important. I want voice acting on par with FFX's.
Please, SE.
Not sure if anyone has said this yet but wouldn't they probably try and get the advent children VA's to do this?
I imagine they would. It's not like they have to go out of their way to get those VA's back either, since they're all just voice acting industry mainstays.
I personally didn't mind the VA's from AC so hopefully they do. And yeah I agree, I highly doubt they are too busy to do this, lol.
On June 17 2015 17:47 hfglgg wrote: i wonder how the headline and the text is connected.
Well, he pretty openly says that it's a little pointless to have both an HD port and a remake if the games are going to be identical. He has a point.
yeah but that isnt in any way connected to the story. for all he said they could just fundamentally change the gameplay (i.e. you only play cloud in an action rpg fashion) and still tell the exact same story, just with a different spin to it.
there are billions of different lord of the ring versions out there and they are all about the same thing with different approaches on how to tell it.
Some change is good. Let's be honest the original wasn't perfect. Its acclaim is mainly a function of going where no game had gone before and just flat out destroying the competition at the time.
just so long as they dont mickey mouse her voice to try make her sound cute like 99% of western voice actors............ its hard to tell if they will do this, since in ac she is portrayed solely as motherly rather than cutey , right?
if you learnt anything from ff13 it is to expect to just use the japanese dub because it is 10000x better than the english
btw i found where the feather is from probably
look you can see her talk in english here, where they distinctly dont try to mickey mouse her voice (tho shes not acting cute/young here)
look someone compiled her voice here
https://youtu.be/pqTYqBHCbb4?t=270
you can tell she is capable of a realistic style when she says "its a good sign". but the fucked up pacing and unrealistic dramatism is still there
if you want to compare the english and japanese (which follows the english) heres the lines
you came, even tho ur were abt to break hm, thata good sign sio, why did you come i never blamed you, not once, you came for me, thats all that matters (break) you see, everythings....alright
im no language or japo expert, but i think the way to look at it is "would someone talk like that in real life"/"imagine my girl friend saying these lines, would she say them like that?". in the english version its like super melodramatic, right? and in the japanese version she is talking mostly a lot more like she would talk in real life
anyway i dont care so long as they dont mickey mouse the voices (gg yuffie fml. actually i shud check wot she sounded like in ac). and if they do den ill be happy to use japo dub
well here is yuffie.
https://youtu.be/pqTYqBHCbb4?t=543
she is the voice actor for kim possible
i wonder if anyone has any examples of english voice actors sounding "realistic" instead of cartoony?
Some change is good. Let's be honest the original wasn't perfect. Its acclaim is mainly a function of going where no game had gone before and just flat out destroying the competition at the time.
I can kinda attest to that. FFVII was something of a novelty for me when I first played it, I didn't know a game could last 100 hours. It was simply an overwhelming experience. But the game stood its test of time because it was so rich in thoughts and details. Still years later (even now?) people are discovering new things about it, which is a testament to the effort the developers have put into it.
The best frame of reference for how ambitious the remake is going to be is probably the FF4 DS/iOS/Android remake. From a gameplay perspective, it's not a radical reinvention of the formula (i.e. it's still an ATB-based JRPG with every character having the same core moveset), but adds several new gameplay mechanics (e.g. in FF4, learning new skills and mixing and matching what you can use i combat) and significantly rebalances every major fight to keep things fresh for people who know the original front-to-back. From a story perspective, there's some more exposition on things due to the evolution of the medium, but not any major retconning or rewriting.
I just hope they keep the simplicity of turn based game play like they had in FF7--- none of this action combat crap like they've done in more recent FF games
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