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akatama
Romania982 Posts
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Archeon
3265 Posts
On February 08 2018 07:26 Latham wrote: As part of the confederation offer, not a gift. The likelyhood of a confederation will be low or moderate. You then put money on your side of the deal until you get likelyhood: high. edit: but you CAN gift them money to make their opinion higher of you. Thanks. Could have imagined that opinion over a threshold make it really easy f.e. and idk how opinion scales with gift size, so both scenarios seemed possible to me. On February 09 2018 11:33 akatama wrote: Sorry to backtrack the discussion a little bit, but after playing a bit more with them, Shades feel less accurate than Darkshards when focusing lords or other single entities. A ton of shots stray off. Meanwhile Darkshards are always on point. idk, would be surprised if they used a different arrow behavior. Things like that often depend on cover/angle/surrounding troops, it's the reason you always want the arrow hail during sieges. Had no problem focusing targets down so far but I'm optimizing my battles nonstop and the game is much too hectic to pay attention to hitrate for me. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8086 Posts
On February 09 2018 12:01 Archeon wrote: Thanks. Could have imagined that opinion over a threshold make it really easy f.e. and idk how opinion scales with gift size, so both scenarios seemed possible to me. idk, would be surprised if they used a different arrow behavior. Things like that often depend on cover/angle/surrounding troops, it's the reason you always want the arrow hail during sieges. Had no problem focusing targets down so far but I'm optimizing my battles nonstop and the game is much too hectic to pay attention to hitrate for me. The thing i’m discovering with shades is how much you can buff them. It’s almost absurd. Been using them a bit and I agree they outperform darkshards. The fact that you can also use them to flank in melee makes them even more deadly. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On February 09 2018 12:01 Archeon wrote: idk, would be surprised if they used a different arrow behavior. Things like that often depend on cover/angle/surrounding troops, it's the reason you always want the arrow hail during sieges. Had no problem focusing targets down so far but I'm optimizing my battles nonstop and the game is much too hectic to pay attention to hitrate for me. I remember there was a spell that increased accuracy, so I assume accuracy is a hidden stat in the game. Maybe that's the cause? | ||
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Archeon
3265 Posts
I mean shades are essentially super darkshards with bonus stats and abilities, I would be surprised if shades weren't based on shards programming wise. And fluff wise they are some hardened nomad scouts/ambushers, so it would be a bit ridiculous if they had a high miss rate. That doesn't exclude the possibility that CA wanted to counteract the high dps so they lowered the accuracy, but that doesn't seem very probable either since shades are kinda an elite unit upkeep wise (despite the low tech requirements). | ||
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akatama
Romania982 Posts
Afterwards I did not want to deal with Mazda and he was friendly to me, so I crossed the ocean and slammed into Khatep (who, for some reason, decided to ditch his start and went to Mousillon; he and I had been at war since the early turns and he kept sending crap skeleton stacks just to sink my Black Arks). Next up was everyone's favourite green and angry orc: Grimgor! He had a ton of territory but luckily Mazdamundi decided to be a hero and took most armies to the face. Malekith however had to detour to the southern tip of Lustria to finish off Lothern. Meanwhile, in Empire land, there was... even more corruption! Everything was dead and razed and there were a ton of Chaos stacks lurking about. The slog began as I settled the ruins and spammed Death Hags like mad to cleanse all he Chaos junk from the region. Part way through that, another wave of Chaos appeared out of the sea but I had 3 armies ready to defend. Finally the last 50 turns or so were me trying to settle a ruined Norsca while one army marched towards Hell Pit, where I got lazy and autoresolved 2 more Chaos stacks (one of them Archaon), took Hell Pit and the victory screen popped up. TLDR: when playing Malekith always, always, always rush for Morathi and either confederate her to make her burn. Otherwise you will have a miserable time. | ||
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Archeon
3265 Posts
To boot the large nation to the south is hostile, so you have to actually fight a war in the south as well. And behind the eastern 'ally' and the southern enemy awaits more corruption. It isn't really hard because defensive DE smash chaos and skaven and Malekith is a monster, but you have to deal with so much map bs which is imo the weakest part of the game along with the (map) AI. | ||
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akatama
Romania982 Posts
After the TK patch, Norsca is no longer a power house. In this campaign I made the mistake of allying Ghrond and making an enemy out of Har Ganeth, who proceeded to roll over Aghol and then attacked me. There is also Mung to the north, before the patch I had to hold off full stacks at the Altar of Ultimate Darkness every 2 turns or so, but this time they only sent 2 armies until I had the time to take them out. Malekith's early game is pretty straight forward: secure Naggarond > smash the first army from Hag Graef > recover if needed > bait the second Hag Graef army (ambush or take a settlement and pretend to go away) > take Hag Graef, secure the province > Mung and Ghrond are next on the hit list (especially Ghrond for that sweet gold mine). From there it depends on how the map looks like. In an ideal world you can march south and secure Clar Karond for easy access to hydras. The only real speedbump is purging the desert province on the edge of the map; it's very long in terms of terrain and you need about 2 armies if you want to hold it (one to camp the regional capital for rebels and another to conquer it), while it is bad climate you need to prevent other factions from colonising it. | ||
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Archeon
3265 Posts
I have actually very few rebellions and while I see the advantages of having more battles for most factions, I often prefer to have those battles against factions that give me additional income after killing them. Yeah I played the "defend the north of Naggarond or altar all the time vs chaos" version. As I said it isn't really hard, it's just annoying because there is so much stuff threatening your territory without actually being threatening and altar and chaos waste are just bad provinces that you have to conquer eventually anyways. | ||
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akatama
Romania982 Posts
As far as getting rebellions, they can be important to manage public order in new provinces. You need some time to get PO buildings up and at the same time you want to keep your armies fighting and not slacking in settlements to keep up the order. This is also why getting that second army up and running is important: so your legendary lord can conquer new territory while the fresh lord gets some much needed levels form fighting easy stacks. | ||
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Archeon
3265 Posts
Yeah I meant more as in I prefer my armies expanding my territory than farming rebels, but I can see how it's meaningful when you don't have a good expansion target or need to keep public order up. I use to keep an army in a city to keep public order until buildings are up, but you are right, it's probably more efficient to just make the rebels spawn and farm them, especially if it's predictable where they will spawn. | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2799 Posts
On February 09 2018 11:33 akatama wrote: Sorry to backtrack the discussion a little bit, but after playing a bit more with them, Shades feel less accurate than Darkshards when focusing lords or other single entities. A ton of shots stray off. Meanwhile Darkshards are always on point. There is a hidden accuracy stat that gets buffed by experience. Its especially noticable for artillery but it effects ranged units as well. Shades require more xp to lvl up and you are likely to have had your darkshards for a long time. It doesnt have to be the reason but its likely. | ||
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akatama
Romania982 Posts
On February 11 2018 18:31 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote: There is a hidden accuracy stat that gets buffed by experience. Its especially noticable for artillery but it effects ranged units as well. Shades require more xp to lvl up and you are likely to have had your darkshards for a long time. It doesnt have to be the reason but its likely. They were certainly high rank Shades, 7+ as the red line elite skill made them have 215 range. I don't know, maybe it also has to do with how the unit chooses to shoot? Darkshards tend to arc their shots often, which means they will generally be on point on large targets. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8086 Posts
Has anyone seen anything like that? As far as I am concerned, chaos could very well not have been there; I never had to fight them. Well. Yet. I confederated Har Ganeth which, to my surprise, has been raping Norscans to the point they almost reach the Empire. Does anyone knows if Chaos minions ever go north? Should I get ready to defend the wastes when the next wave hits? Also one of the things I am surprised with is how little I have been interacting with basically anyone. I had to kill the Naggaroth Tomb King. I have been fightings lots of High Elves. I have some relations with the other dark elves, and there are some norscans but not too many. That's it. Haven't fought, or even seen anyone else in something like 85 turns. Do you guys experience also that the game feels a bit "compartimented"? Granted, I didn't go explore because I didn't see any real advantage to do so yet. I am quite curious to see what happened to the old world. As far as I know, it could be a greenskin wasteland, or a wood elf forest. No idea. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22406 Posts
Most other factions start in more open territory. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8086 Posts
On February 11 2018 21:34 Gorsameth wrote: Its the nature of the Dark Elf starting position. Your tucked in a top corner of the map with 2 major factions preventing access to the rest of the map, Elves to the East and Lizardmen to the south. Most other factions start in more open territory. Sure, but I had almost the whole of Ultuhan when the vessels and such attacked. They weren't so kind in my High Elf run. Hell, I don't even know where they went. They surely didn't raze anything anywhere I can see. | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
On February 11 2018 13:44 Archeon wrote: Thank you for the answer. Yeah I meant more as in I prefer my armies expanding my territory than farming rebels, but I can see how it's meaningful when you don't have a good expansion target or need to keep public order up. I use to keep an army in a city to keep public order until buildings are up, but you are right, it's probably more efficient to just make the rebels spawn and farm them, especially if it's predictable where they will spawn. Once you get the "imminent rebellion" notification you can click on the looking glass and it will show you the location where it will spawn. | ||
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Archeon
3265 Posts
 On February 11 2018 21:18 akatama wrote: They were certainly high rank Shades, 7+ as the red line elite skill made them have 215 range. I don't know, maybe it also has to do with how the unit chooses to shoot? Darkshards tend to arc their shots often, which means they will generally be on point on large targets. The fact that they shoot from longer range might decrease their accuracy. I don't know exactly how it works but I've read multiple times that archers get more precise when they are closer and the entire thing might be linear and not percentage based on the max range. Arc of fire might be another factor, firing in an arc seems to be more precise or at least deal more dps (my experience from siege battles, which is skewed through battlements ofc). But I have a hard time imagining that one unit fires more in an arc and the other doesn't when they use the same weapon type. From my siege battles I'm pretty sure arc of fire is dependent on archer position compared to target position. Friend of mine looked into the files where accuracy as a stat doesn't seem to exist, but area of calibration does and shades use a slightly smaller area of calibration, while orc ar'er boyz and artillery f.e. use larger ones. | ||
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Tal
United Kingdom1017 Posts
On February 11 2018 23:50 B.I.G. wrote: Once you get the "imminent rebellion" notification you can click on the looking glass and it will show you the location where it will spawn. There are SO many random things like this in the game that I wish I knew a hundred hours ago. My favourite remains finding out you can hold right click to see how movement you'll have left/what path you'll take before moving. | ||
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B.I.G.
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