Beyond the Scandal - Page 3

On January 28 2015 08:19 yamato77 wrote:
It's not a shitty precedent at all. A shitty precedent is letting them off easy.

On January 28 2015 09:11 Djzapz wrote:
Spare me the digital not tangible objects BS for the love of god man. You can easily, easily sell your items for real life money. Some knives are worth multiple thousands of dollars. Enough to buy a car. Also there are real money betting websites.

On January 28 2015 09:46 Djzapz wrote:
This is all irrelevant. You seemed to make the argument that match fixing is no big issue because the items that are being traded are "digital". Well they're worth real money. You can talk all you want about third party skins that are downloadable from the workshop, it doesn't change anything about the fact that the skins are worth money and IBP behaved anticompetitively by throwing a game for personal gain - monetary or otherwise.

So the BS about 3rd party and workshop is completely beside the point. They threw a game for profit, the profit is very much real.

As for the rest of your arguments, I don't think any of it rings true tbh. CSGO is being monetized in a way which is harmless to the competition. It's better than what most games do. Valve allows me to buy an AK47 even if I don't buy skins.

On January 28 2015 08:29 johnbongham wrote:


There has been zero response from valve in regards to the europeans that have been caught matchfixing.

NA cs just took a big hit. I am as happy as anyone that liquid got involved in csgo, but you think a team with a roster like liquid is EVER going to be competitive when teams like ex-IBP barely ever peaked then you are out of your mind.

Swag was the future of NA cs, the kid is a monster at this game and his career has been ended by 1 shitty decision that was probably made under pressure from his older teammates.

He wasn't even getting a salary. He wasn't even technically a pro. He PAID HIS OWN MONEY to compete in esea and cevo. Don't expect players to act like pros when they aren't being treated or compensated like one.

Don't let third party companies allow your user's to bet and gamble YOUR skins without putting any firm rules and/or consequences in place. This is of valve's own doing and for them to accept zero blame for this situation is ridiculous. Valve has always treated the cs community with ambivalence and disdain yet now they want to pretend like they are in a position to dictate to the entire community.

100% certain that most people who agree with the lifetime ban's would have probably acted in the same way Swag did if they happened to be in his shoes.

On January 28 2015 10:01 iKill[ShocK] wrote:

Fair enough, things need to be done with EU.


You're right, but everyone starts somewhere & too early to tell.


Sucks.


What does this even mean.... no one asked him to pay his own money to play cevo/esea. He willingly risked it to try and win Cevo/esea (he did win something, no?). You make it seems like swag is playing competitively for free...


Its never been about the skins, the skins are proof of match-fixing. Match-fixing is unacceptable whether there is a written rule on it or not. Valve punished them because they conspired to match-fixing. Read their blog post title: Fairplay and integrity.


lol what, how do you even know this?

But valve has let a culture of matchfixing go on for at least a year now with zero "blog posts" and absolutely no warnings against such behavior. Now they step in after an article is written by richard lewis and handpick a couple of scapegoats to feed the community's need for justice. Is valve going to continue investigating all reported incidents of matchfixing? Doesn't seem like it. Why is it ok to anyone that only a select group of players are being punished and this harshly at that? I know, it makes no difference to any joeschmo CSGO player here or anwyhere whether these guys continue to compete or not, but for me, someone who has watched swag since 1.6, this is a ridiculous punishment. Where are the pitchforks for virtuspro, who bet on a match that was already over and done with and they knew the result? I dont see any! Are we going to ban pasha and neo and taz for life next? I dont think it will happen. Why not? Because valve is incompetent and only care when their shit makes the news.

On January 28 2015 10:29 iKill[ShocK] wrote:

Valve took a step because there's almost glaring proofs (after investigation) that they did indeed conspire to match fix. Yea, they had to pick a few scapegoats, but its not like those scapegoats aren't guilty (they all are). Sucks to sucks. Will Valve keep investigating these allegations? Maybe they don't want to, if thats the point then they made an example of a few players so others don't dare.

VP did not conspire to match fix btw, they simply bet on a game thats OVER and DECIDED. That whole situation was 100% CSGOLounge's fault for leaving that game up.

On January 28 2015 13:38 ShiaoPi wrote:


betting on a match already over has nothing to do with matchfixing, these are two completely separate things. While the first is indeed not very sportsmanlike it is not illegal and a far cry from conspiring together to fix the outcome of a match for your own profit.
Matchfixing in the way exiBP did is on a completely different scale and not comparable to the situation of VP betting on a match that was over already....

On January 28 2015 14:27 johnbongham wrote:


Pretty sure what IBP did was not "illegal" either as there was no rules or consequences in place like i have been saying because valve totally blew it by not foreseeing such a thing before it happened. They were fine and dandy making millions in skin money without ever giving thought to how their system could be abused. Valve seriously needs to accept some blame for this entire situation.

On January 28 2015 18:33 Ysellian wrote:


Actually yes, yes it is illegal in many countries. The parties involved could take the case to court and IBP could suffer prison sentences if it comes to light that real money was involved. What VP did is weird, thing is you won't see that much in real life (where betting is still possible after the game is played). I don't think you can punish people for that, unless players were asked not to bet by the competition, than the competition can ban players from participating.

edit: Now the reason why Valve don't take this to court and why they take such drastic measures is that because the more attention this gets the more likely the skin system will come under investigation. Thing is the culture around skins is actually pretty shady and I'm pretty sure the parties involved don't have the necessary licenses for betting.