EPTI hope Skadoodle doesn't continue to play with mOE after ClutchCon... After what just happened, you'd think he'd have a better judge of character.
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
I hope Skadoodle doesn't continue to play with mOE after ClutchCon... After what just happened, you'd think he'd have a better judge of character. | ||
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
On January 27 2015 13:30 ZeromuS wrote: And DaZeD was so so good too :/ So many good NA players just threw their pro gaming careers away. Easily the best IGL in NA but he seems like a complete asshole and an above average fragger. | ||
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DPK
Canada487 Posts
Regardless, I'm mostly pissed at AZK. I would've never thought that he would be willing to risk his cs career over some stupid stuff like skins. That guy is one of the best NA player and I was proud that one guy from Montreal was a pro cs player for so long. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On January 27 2015 16:28 DPK wrote: You're all bringing up valid points and after reading them, I'm not sure what to think anymore. I still feel like whenever a team do something fishy, the whole team should be sanctioned no matter what, so stuff like that doesn't happen anymore or at least, it should discourage players who might be thinking about doing something like that. By letting 1 guy get away with it (even if he was legit), it might give some people bad ideas to do something similar when some players start to think about retiring. Regardless, I'm mostly pissed at AZK. I would've never thought that he would be willing to risk his cs career over some stupid stuff like skins. That guy is one of the best NA player and I was proud that one guy from Montreal was a pro cs player for so long. No way, that wouldn't be fair. To punish an innocent player just because of what his team did, that would be ridiculous. Whether he knew about it or not who knows, but he shouldn't be punished just because his team did something stupid that he wasn't apart of (assuming he wasn't). There's no way to prove it and just not fair in that situation. | ||
itsjustatank
Hong Kong9183 Posts
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On January 27 2015 14:27 Souma wrote: https://twitter.com/m0E_tv/status/559937576102920192 I hope Skadoodle doesn't continue to play with mOE after ClutchCon... After what just happened, you'd think he'd have a better judge of character. haha , going from a team of match fixers to a team with a ex-hacker if making poor life choices is a super power, skadoodle is bound to be in the next x-men movie | ||
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pyro19
6575 Posts
On January 27 2015 14:27 Souma wrote: https://twitter.com/m0E_tv/status/559937576102920192 I hope Skadoodle doesn't continue to play with mOE after ClutchCon... After what just happened, you'd think he'd have a better judge of character. He's probably forced into that decision since it's so close to clutchcon and every other team has complete rosters. Anyways , Moe's a decent player even if he is a bit of rager. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On January 27 2015 20:54 pyro19 wrote: He's probably forced into that decision since it's so close to clutchcon and every other team has complete rosters. Anyways , Moe's a decent player even if he is a bit of rager. Decent player? | ||
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Sero
United States692 Posts
Yeah, everyone knows that he cheated once. He's still a good player. | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Hope some players will step up and rise to the pro level to replace them. Also, may that be a lesson for these yet to be pro that integrity is key to a sports scene. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On January 27 2015 14:27 Souma wrote: https://twitter.com/m0E_tv/status/559937576102920192 I hope Skadoodle doesn't continue to play with mOE after ClutchCon... After what just happened, you'd think he'd have a better judge of character. The main reason why he should not play with mOE after ClutchCon is because they are both main awpers, not because of his character. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
Gaming, in general, tends to attract players of a certain attitude at the top ranks until it is reigned in and sponsors get involved. You'll have these extreme personalities, which often manifest as elitism or "eThug" behaviors, which eventually become a minority once an Esport is popularized and more corporate. Players such as the ones banned for this gambling scandal were clearly not mature enough or prepared for the spotlight of a major sporting community - the next crop will be. | ||
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DPK
Canada487 Posts
On January 27 2015 16:38 blade55555 wrote: No way, that wouldn't be fair. To punish an innocent player just because of what his team did, that would be ridiculous. Whether he knew about it or not who knows, but he shouldn't be punished just because his team did something stupid that he wasn't apart of (assuming he wasn't). There's no way to prove it and just not fair in that situation. When it comes to the real world, it would be fair. When you're involved in something illegal, whether or not you did really take part of it doesn't really matter. At the minute you're involved in something illegal with other people and you get caught, you're as guilty as the people you're with, even more when you didn't do anything to stop it. That's how the law works, at least in my country. For example, if I get caught with a friend who's carrying weed with him and I didn't knew and/or didn't tell me, it doesn't matter. The cops will see me as guilty as my friend, even if I have nothing on me. Just like if your friend try to pass some illegal stuff at the borders in your car and he didn't tell you, you both get caught, will they let you go because you didn't knew/didn't want to take part of it? I highly doubt it. I can give you many more examples. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13431 Posts
On January 28 2015 05:03 DPK wrote: When it comes to the real world, it would be fair. When you're involved in something illegal, whether or not you did really take part of it doesn't really matter. At the minute you're involved in something illegal with other people and you get caught, you're as guilty as the people you're with, even more when you didn't do anything to stop it. That's how the law works, at least in my country. For example, if I get caught with a friend who's carrying weed with him and I didn't knew and/or didn't tell me, it doesn't matter. The cops will see me as guilty as my friend, even if I have nothing on me. Just like if your friend try to pass some illegal stuff at the borders in your car and he didn't tell you, you both get caught, will they let you go because you didn't knew/didn't want to take part of it? I highly doubt it. I can give you many more examples. What? That's exactly how it works in the real world. Unless you enter into an illegal act willingly, you will very rarely get punished for the illegal actions of others. If your friend has weed and you don't know, nothing will happen to you. Of course if you have a history of possession that is different but without that history they will likely let you go. The only exception being if you are driving and your buddy drops the weed in the car, then as the driver it is your responsibility as you are supposed to know what is in your vehicle at all times. If they can't prove the fifth man did it, then there is nothing to be done for punishment ... | ||
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DPK
Canada487 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 28 2015 05:08 ZeromuS wrote: What? That's exactly how it works in the real world. Unless you enter into an illegal act willingly, you will very rarely get punished for the illegal actions of others. If your friend has weed and you don't know, nothing will happen to you. Of course if you have a history of possession that is different but without that history they will likely let you go. The only exception being if you are driving and your buddy drops the weed in the car, then as the driver it is your responsibility as you are supposed to know what is in your vehicle at all times. If they can't prove the fifth man did it, then there is nothing to be done for punishment ... I'm curious how you think this situation is different from the weed in car situation you just made. If he is playing on the team with these guys either he knew about it or he should have known about it. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
That is pretty much the common ground on which most legal systems in the world work. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On January 28 2015 06:08 DPK wrote: My experience as well as RL friends experience says otherwise. And my experience in the real world, as well as in court, says that you/your friends had a horrible lawyer. Edit: IANAL, I'm referring to me being in court defended by a lawyer (if there is any confusion on the matter from my phrasing) | ||
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zzdd
United States484 Posts
On January 28 2015 05:03 DPK wrote: When it comes to the real world, it would be fair. When you're involved in something illegal, whether or not you did really take part of it doesn't really matter. At the minute you're involved in something illegal with other people and you get caught, you're as guilty as the people you're with, even more when you didn't do anything to stop it. That's how the law works, at least in my country. For example, if I get caught with a friend who's carrying weed with him and I didn't knew and/or didn't tell me, it doesn't matter. The cops will see me as guilty as my friend, even if I have nothing on me. Just like if your friend try to pass some illegal stuff at the borders in your car and he didn't tell you, you both get caught, will they let you go because you didn't knew/didn't want to take part of it? I highly doubt it. I can give you many more examples. Those are not analogous situations. Unlike in the situation where a cop finds weed on your friend, Valve can directly see who gained/profited from the match fixing. The other teammates did not or they would be banned as well. | ||
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johnbongham
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