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boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
Looks like they got a lot of things right (Kozlov, battlesuits!). Nerfing trading was crucial. Time to get back to it and give it another go. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On January 01 2015 05:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So anyone still playing this? I wish I had the time to play this game, other games consumes all my spare time more or less. GUI aside, I really enjoy Beyond Earth. This'll be controversial, but I think that BE is a lot better than pre-BNW Civ5 was | ||
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Ethelis
United States2397 Posts
On January 01 2015 05:22 WindWolf wrote: I wish I had the time to play this game, other games consumes all my spare time more or less. GUI aside, I really enjoy Beyond Earth. This'll be controversial, but I think that BE is a lot better than pre-BNW Civ5 was On the contrary, i've seen that comment quite a bit. | ||
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Eliezar
United States481 Posts
 I definitely wished for more, but like the entire series the games are just too long for me at this point in life. /sigh | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On January 01 2015 05:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So anyone still playing this? Nope. We are playing Endless Legend that is superior in any way possible. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On January 01 2015 22:03 -Archangel- wrote: Nope. We are playing Endless Legend that is superior in any way possible. I wouldnt say in 'any' possible way. One city provinces, dumb siege mechanics, equally weak combat ai but with a more restricted movement system, hilariously unbalanced civ that rules all other civs, equal to BE's flawed quest system, just like in Civ5 there is one clearly superior way to play the game. Both games are fun, both games are flawed. I will say that Endless Legend has superior atmosphere and I liked their winter mechanic. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On January 01 2015 22:03 -Archangel- wrote: Nope. We are playing Endless Legend that is superior in any way possible. Yup. While I do have some problems with Endless Legend, it keeps me more interested than BE. BE is... tedious (and I've played about a hundred hours of Civ5 even when it was just vanilla). If someone is interested in BE I strongly suggest waiting for the expansion because at this point it's not worth the money. It's not a bad game, it's just too limited with some bad design choices that an expansion hopefully fixes. | ||
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Immersion_
United Kingdom794 Posts
On January 01 2015 22:03 -Archangel- wrote: Nope. We are playing Endless Legend that is superior in any way possible. I haven't been able to get into Endless Legend yet and I'm not really sure why. One gripe is the "tactical" combat which seems very basic although admittedly I haven't played much so maybe this gets better later on. I keep comparing it to AoW III which is unfair but combat in that game was really great fun, shame the city building part was so shallow. BE I have 10 hours on, played through one game on one of the upper difficulties and won by building a mind flower, no AI did anything and global politics wasn't interesting at all, neither was the city building itself which I usually love. I built about 4 units. I feel more like playing CiV than going back to it. Feels like all of these games fall a little short of being truly great for me but for different reasons, hopefully someone can get it completely right soon. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On January 02 2015 19:39 Immersion_ wrote: I haven't been able to get into Endless Legend yet and I'm not really sure why. One gripe is the "tactical" combat which seems very basic although admittedly I haven't played much so maybe this gets better later on. I keep comparing it to AoW III which is unfair but combat in that game was really great fun, shame the city building part was so shallow. BE I have 10 hours on, played through one game on one of the upper difficulties and won by building a mind flower, no AI did anything and global politics wasn't interesting at all, neither was the city building itself which I usually love. I built about 4 units. I feel more like playing CiV than going back to it. Feels like all of these games fall a little short of being truly great for me but for different reasons, hopefully someone can get it completely right soon. Endless Legend is fantasy Civilization, it is not a tactical combat game with a bit of base building like AoW III. Directly comparing AoW III and EL is like comparing Starcraft 2 and Company of Heroes. Year both are RTS but one has no base building and as such is a completely different experience. And has much better combat than Civ games. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On January 02 2015 04:37 Sub40APM wrote: I wouldnt say in 'any' possible way. 1.One city provinces, 2.dumb siege mechanics, 3.equally weak combat ai but with a more restricted movement system, 4.hilariously unbalanced civ that rules all other civs, 5.equal to BE's flawed quest system, just like in Civ5 there is 6.one clearly superior way to play the game. Both games are fun, both games are flawed. I will say that Endless Legend has superior atmosphere and I liked their winter mechanic. 1. Great system to prevent city spam while also having reinforcement system that works great 2. Dumb how? You siege with army and it takes time. It no less dumb than what Civ has. It just does not have a separate siege unit that slows the game down due to its super slow move speed. 3. Combat AI is OK, it could be better in some situations but then the game would only be about who built more troops and would be a boring Supreme Commander in TB. Did you mean AI during tactical combat or altogether? What is wrong with movement system? it is simple, if you have initiative you can move where you want and you only get to do one action per turn (move + attack or defend). At least in MP your combat performance is not determined by your APM and net connection which is stupid as hell for a 4x game. 4. Which civ is that? I played vs AI with most factions and each is unbalanced in its own ways. At least they are not just a copy/paste of each other like in BE. 5. Again, what is exactly wrong with quest system? I find it fun and cool and good. Yea it is not completely balanced which is not important for singleplayer. For MP just don't try to win a Wonder victory with factions that have harder faction quests. 6. One clearly superior way? You mean be aggressive vs AI that gets bonuses to everything on higher difficulty? If you don't like that, play on lower difficulty and play differently, it is easy to do anything. At least vs AI on high difficulty AI does not spend whole game stroking his dick and letting the player do whatever but he creates and army and comes after you in full force. He also knows how to create army designs that counter what you have. You got lots of cavalry, he makes anti cavalry unit designs. | ||
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
On January 01 2015 22:03 -Archangel- wrote: Nope. We are playing Endless Legend that is superior in any way possible. This  Absolutely love EL. Just won my first game on Endless/Hard with random rolled Cultists. Really awesome game. I disagree with a lot of people saying Broken Lords or Drakken are OP. When you check their profile on Steam you find out they are playing on easy mode. I mean, you can take any faction and flip tables in kindergarten and claim OP. They just need to crank up the difficulty level a notch or few. The AI is actually really good at playing Necrophages, if anything can be considered OP.  | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On January 01 2015 05:36 Ethelis wrote: On the contrary, i've seen that comment quite a bit. Aside from one reviewer that I follow, many people has not been very positive about BE. But I like it, I just never get the time to play it | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10135 Posts
On January 01 2015 22:03 -Archangel- wrote: Nope. We are playing Endless Legend that is superior in any way possible. Except for people like me that play this kind of games because of the setting in the first place, and i don't see EL being about space exploration and transhumanity. If i want fantasy, i prefer HoMM series than EL, but they are different games. About BE, i like it, but it is quite bugged (freaking covert operation windows going nuts), i would wait for an expansion or get it on sale like i did if you really want to try it out. There is a demo, it won't teach you anything new about Civ games, but if you haven't tried civilization games or don't like them because of the setting, you could always try it out. Now back on topic, i am a complete nab when it comes to building cities (as i said before, i don't like Civ setting, so i never truly played it deeply), how the hell do you keep your population health positive ? Just having a few cities ? | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
EL plays like civ 5 and BE but has improved some base designs. And EL is science fantasy like Numenera. The human faction uses powered armors and mechanicals automatons. | ||
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
On January 05 2015 01:25 Complete wrote: is this worth playing over civ v bnw yet? or still need to wait for some balance changes? Imo you need to wait for an expansion. Game still isn't very good. Unless you are really tired of civ5 but really really want another civ game to play i don't think you should bother. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
Setting aside, it's a trainwreck of a game, lol. AI is hopeless, like, worse than Civ5 hopeless; units are dumb and the power difference between unit tiers is way too big. There's basically no way to beat someone who has one tier higher units (or lose if your enemies are a tier below) which is quite boring, and the unit 'abilities' are horribly bland as well. 10% dmg here, 20% dmg there... blah. Also, aliens are a useless gimmimck. Like, they add nothing whatsoever to the game. Even the barbarians in Civ games seem less of a useless RNG trap. One of the very few games where I felt like the pricetag wasn't worth what I got out of it; can't imagine myself getting expansions for it or whatever unless they go on a very big sale. Definitely agree with Endless Legend being a far superior game, and if you really want a more sci-fi themed strategy, I don't know... just play some Civ4 mods or something, BE is just not worth it. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On January 03 2015 10:08 -Archangel- wrote: 1. Great system to prevent city spam while also having reinforcement system that works great 2. Dumb how? You siege with army and it takes time. It no less dumb than what Civ has. It just does not have a separate siege unit that slows the game down due to its super slow move speed. 3. Combat AI is OK, it could be better in some situations but then the game would only be about who built more troops and would be a boring Supreme Commander in TB. Did you mean AI during tactical combat or altogether? What is wrong with movement system? it is simple, if you have initiative you can move where you want and you only get to do one action per turn (move + attack or defend). At least in MP your combat performance is not determined by your APM and net connection which is stupid as hell for a 4x game. 4. Which civ is that? I played vs AI with most factions and each is unbalanced in its own ways. At least they are not just a copy/paste of each other like in BE. 5. Again, what is exactly wrong with quest system? I find it fun and cool and good. Yea it is not completely balanced which is not important for singleplayer. For MP just don't try to win a Wonder victory with factions that have harder faction quests. 6. One clearly superior way? You mean be aggressive vs AI that gets bonuses to everything on higher difficulty? If you don't like that, play on lower difficulty and play differently, it is easy to do anything. At least vs AI on high difficulty AI does not spend whole game stroking his dick and letting the player do whatever but he creates and army and comes after you in full force. He also knows how to create army designs that counter what you have. You got lots of cavalry, he makes anti cavalry unit designs. 1) No it isnt -- city spam doesnt happen in BNW because of the penalties to the human. 2) Its dumb because the time isnt related to size of the army, so a single unit of wondering troops can conquer your capital if you dont notice 3) Its stupid because initiative determines everything, it literally gives one guy APM of 200 and the other 20 and gl! 4) Fake Elves basic unit starts with default highest initiative and 4 range. Its like starting BNW with an English Longbowman as your warrior! 5) Its just as repetitive as BE, it doenst take into account the underlying situation just like BE (find this resource in a province that doesnt have it because the quest event doesnt check the map) 6) No design will defeat mass archers with high initiative. Because of the way deployment and maps are set up every battle map has a choke point where 3 units will be peppered by 10 of your archers without even touching them | ||
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