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DCRed
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland435 Posts
December 08 2014 19:35 GMT
#6361
Trinkets have been messed up so badly and the fact they wont nerf candle because people have spent gold on it is absurd. BRF mythics(which will be buffed later on) will be better than candle but before that, yeah you are not going to replace it till then, hf if your healers don't have it.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 08 2014 19:45 GMT
#6362
Why the fuck is Winged Hourglass still so shit.
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 08 2014 19:47 GMT
#6363
I still think it's amusing how that 615 garrison trinket is so good. I randomly got one with a socket in it today too xD
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-08 21:37:51
December 08 2014 21:24 GMT
#6364
They're bought up pretty much instantly on my realm, and at a way higher price than i could afford!

Saying that, It's being nerfed.. so not too upset.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
December 08 2014 21:52 GMT
#6365
Oh Blizzard changed their mind and are gonna nerf healer trinket some!
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-08 21:54:53
December 08 2014 21:53 GMT
#6366
On December 09 2014 03:04 ViperPL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2014 17:49 Cyro wrote:

I also find it funny that alliance barracks lvl 3 are bigger than whole horde garrison :D


Pics? I've only seen the horde garrison


Ok, so this is horde garrison lvl 3:
Right here.

And horde barracks lvl 3:
This one.

Meanwhile, alliance get's this lvl 3 awesome garrison:
Behold!

And big ass barrack lvl 3:
Behold some more!

While everyone has their own preferance I say horde got majorly screwed over with the garrison visiuals.


I don't understand this shit at all.

You guys are playing Horde. Horde has Orcs as its main faction race, Alliance has Humans. It's ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS.

The Garrisons look exactly like how you'd expect a typical Human or Orc base from Warcraft 3 to look. The only complaint I can see any kind of validity in is the regional differences as Shadowmoon Valley is definitely a much prettier zone than Frostfire Ridge.

But therein lies the whole concept behind the two faction bases. Alliance looks comfortable, Horde looks gritty and rugged. That's the entire point.

If you didn't like that theme why in the hell did you roll on the Horde in the first place? Did you expect the nearly extinct Blood Elves to do all of the building for you?

i think the Horde Garrison looks great. The only thing it's really missing IMO is an Altar of Storms, otherwise it looks just like how an Orc base should look.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-08 21:56:37
December 08 2014 21:56 GMT
#6367
On December 09 2014 06:52 NonY wrote:
Oh Blizzard changed their mind and are gonna nerf healer trinket some!


It looks OP as hell still
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
December 08 2014 22:19 GMT
#6368
On December 09 2014 06:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 03:04 ViperPL wrote:
On December 08 2014 17:49 Cyro wrote:

I also find it funny that alliance barracks lvl 3 are bigger than whole horde garrison :D


Pics? I've only seen the horde garrison


Ok, so this is horde garrison lvl 3:
Right here.

And horde barracks lvl 3:
This one.

Meanwhile, alliance get's this lvl 3 awesome garrison:
Behold!

And big ass barrack lvl 3:
Behold some more!

While everyone has their own preferance I say horde got majorly screwed over with the garrison visiuals.


I don't understand this shit at all.

You guys are playing Horde. Horde has Orcs as its main faction race, Alliance has Humans. It's ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS.

The Garrisons look exactly like how you'd expect a typical Human or Orc base from Warcraft 3 to look. The only complaint I can see any kind of validity in is the regional differences as Shadowmoon Valley is definitely a much prettier zone than Frostfire Ridge.

But therein lies the whole concept behind the two faction bases. Alliance looks comfortable, Horde looks gritty and rugged. That's the entire point.

If you didn't like that theme why in the hell did you roll on the Horde in the first place? Did you expect the nearly extinct Blood Elves to do all of the building for you?

i think the Horde Garrison looks great. The only thing it's really missing IMO is an Altar of Storms, otherwise it looks just like how an Orc base should look.

Yeah the barracks are the same model that theyve used ever since warcraft 2.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6424 Posts
December 08 2014 22:30 GMT
#6369
On December 09 2014 04:45 Kipsate wrote:
Why the fuck is Winged Hourglass still so shit.

...it's not?
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-08 22:40:00
December 08 2014 22:36 GMT
#6370
On December 09 2014 06:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 03:04 ViperPL wrote:
On December 08 2014 17:49 Cyro wrote:

I also find it funny that alliance barracks lvl 3 are bigger than whole horde garrison :D


Pics? I've only seen the horde garrison


Ok, so this is horde garrison lvl 3:
Right here.

And horde barracks lvl 3:
This one.

Meanwhile, alliance get's this lvl 3 awesome garrison:
Behold!

And big ass barrack lvl 3:
Behold some more!

While everyone has their own preferance I say horde got majorly screwed over with the garrison visiuals.


I don't understand this shit at all.

You guys are playing Horde. Horde has Orcs as its main faction race, Alliance has Humans. It's ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS.

The Garrisons look exactly like how you'd expect a typical Human or Orc base from Warcraft 3 to look. The only complaint I can see any kind of validity in is the regional differences as Shadowmoon Valley is definitely a much prettier zone than Frostfire Ridge.

But therein lies the whole concept behind the two faction bases. Alliance looks comfortable, Horde looks gritty and rugged. That's the entire point.

If you didn't like that theme why in the hell did you roll on the Horde in the first place? Did you expect the nearly extinct Blood Elves to do all of the building for you?

i think the Horde Garrison looks great. The only thing it's really missing IMO is an Altar of Storms, otherwise it looks just like how an Orc base should look.

I think you're overestimating how upset people are about it lol. Horde garrisons may be less interesting (mostly due to Frostfire being less interesting than Shadowmoon) but like you say, it's consistent with the surrounding style/lore.

Let's be honest the Horde has had amazingly sick art direction for a long time now. I think they can live with this one lol. I'm glad the alliance got a bit of love here. I love Shadowmoon a lot and I love the alliance garrisons.

I played Horde for the first two expansions and I'm always Horde at heart, but I've been rolling primarily Alliance toons with friends ever since Wrath released. For the first time in over 5 years, I don't have to be insanely jealous of what I'm missing out on :D


Not sure why but this discussion reminded me of another thing art direction topic in this expansion... Who else is glad NIGHT TIME is slowly returning to Azeroth?! Ever since Cata, I think, most if not all of the zones never really had a true night cycle; a time that really felt dark. Every night was a consistent kind of "pale sunset", a lingering light that felt like perpetual dusk. And that was at BEST. Some zones didn't even cycle at all!

It was something I loved and missed about the earlier days of playing the game because I tended to play in evenings and fell in love with certain zones as a new player. One of my most distinct memories is Mulgore with the reflection of the moon across the plains. Rumor was that they took out night time because folks that could only play at night didn't like that it was dark all the time and couldn't experience the world in the daylight, but for me it was the opposite. Those memories stuck with me because it was when I was first playing the game. That nostalgia factor. Years later when they changed it I noticed when it WASN'T dark anymore, and hated that the world didn't have the same contrast and day/night evolution that it used to.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
December 08 2014 22:39 GMT
#6371
On December 09 2014 04:16 NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 03:14 KingDime wrote:
On December 08 2014 14:17 NonY wrote:
we cleared heroic in about.. 6-7 hours. killed margok on 16th pull. tbh we could have done faster if we pruned some weaker people. avg ilvl 649.7

edit: there are things that make looking just at avg ilvl not very effective. some dps classes are much stronger than others on certain fights and in general. a guild that happens to have a good margok comp and the stronger classes in general will have a much easier time. also certain items are extremely strong, namely trinkets. the healer boe trinket is broken OP and blizz said they're not gonna nerf it. having slightly higher dps just enough to cross a threshold of seeing a certain mechanic one less time in a phase can be a huge deal. having slightly higher healing to have breathing room through certain mechanics can be a huge deal


After looking into that healing trinket, seems pretty unreasonable that it should be so overpowered. I think it flat out destroys even the 670's from highmaul.

I heard it is BiS through mythic BRF. The tooltip on it is incorrect -- it actually restores 21k mana. Guilds with healers that all have one have had a much easier time healing things cuz they can use more high mana abilities during high damage phases and not go oom. They can heal up avoidable damage and not go oom. Margok is a 12-13 min fight, so healers are using it a solid 5 times for an extra 105k mana :o None of my guild's healers have one


what is this BoE trinket you speak of?
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
December 08 2014 22:40 GMT
#6372
On December 09 2014 07:39 Popkiller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 04:16 NonY wrote:
On December 09 2014 03:14 KingDime wrote:
On December 08 2014 14:17 NonY wrote:
we cleared heroic in about.. 6-7 hours. killed margok on 16th pull. tbh we could have done faster if we pruned some weaker people. avg ilvl 649.7

edit: there are things that make looking just at avg ilvl not very effective. some dps classes are much stronger than others on certain fights and in general. a guild that happens to have a good margok comp and the stronger classes in general will have a much easier time. also certain items are extremely strong, namely trinkets. the healer boe trinket is broken OP and blizz said they're not gonna nerf it. having slightly higher dps just enough to cross a threshold of seeing a certain mechanic one less time in a phase can be a huge deal. having slightly higher healing to have breathing room through certain mechanics can be a huge deal


After looking into that healing trinket, seems pretty unreasonable that it should be so overpowered. I think it flat out destroys even the 670's from highmaul.

I heard it is BiS through mythic BRF. The tooltip on it is incorrect -- it actually restores 21k mana. Guilds with healers that all have one have had a much easier time healing things cuz they can use more high mana abilities during high damage phases and not go oom. They can heal up avoidable damage and not go oom. Margok is a 12-13 min fight, so healers are using it a solid 5 times for an extra 105k mana :o None of my guild's healers have one


what is this BoE trinket you speak of?

Everburning Candle I assume
ViperPL
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland1775 Posts
December 08 2014 22:57 GMT
#6373
On December 09 2014 06:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 03:04 ViperPL wrote:
On December 08 2014 17:49 Cyro wrote:

I also find it funny that alliance barracks lvl 3 are bigger than whole horde garrison :D


Pics? I've only seen the horde garrison


Ok, so this is horde garrison lvl 3:
Right here.

And horde barracks lvl 3:
This one.

Meanwhile, alliance get's this lvl 3 awesome garrison:
Behold!

And big ass barrack lvl 3:
Behold some more!

While everyone has their own preferance I say horde got majorly screwed over with the garrison visiuals.


I don't understand this shit at all.

You guys are playing Horde. Horde has Orcs as its main faction race, Alliance has Humans. It's ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS.

The Garrisons look exactly like how you'd expect a typical Human or Orc base from Warcraft 3 to look. The only complaint I can see any kind of validity in is the regional differences as Shadowmoon Valley is definitely a much prettier zone than Frostfire Ridge.

But therein lies the whole concept behind the two faction bases. Alliance looks comfortable, Horde looks gritty and rugged. That's the entire point.

If you didn't like that theme why in the hell did you roll on the Horde in the first place? Did you expect the nearly extinct Blood Elves to do all of the building for you?

i think the Horde Garrison looks great. The only thing it's really missing IMO is an Altar of Storms, otherwise it looks just like how an Orc base should look.


I only play horde cause all my friends do and I wanna play with them. I never liked their everything is brown and boring style.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
December 08 2014 23:02 GMT
#6374
On December 09 2014 07:36 Duka08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 06:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 09 2014 03:04 ViperPL wrote:
On December 08 2014 17:49 Cyro wrote:

I also find it funny that alliance barracks lvl 3 are bigger than whole horde garrison :D


Pics? I've only seen the horde garrison


Ok, so this is horde garrison lvl 3:
Right here.

And horde barracks lvl 3:
This one.

Meanwhile, alliance get's this lvl 3 awesome garrison:
Behold!

And big ass barrack lvl 3:
Behold some more!

While everyone has their own preferance I say horde got majorly screwed over with the garrison visiuals.


I don't understand this shit at all.

You guys are playing Horde. Horde has Orcs as its main faction race, Alliance has Humans. It's ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS.

The Garrisons look exactly like how you'd expect a typical Human or Orc base from Warcraft 3 to look. The only complaint I can see any kind of validity in is the regional differences as Shadowmoon Valley is definitely a much prettier zone than Frostfire Ridge.

But therein lies the whole concept behind the two faction bases. Alliance looks comfortable, Horde looks gritty and rugged. That's the entire point.

If you didn't like that theme why in the hell did you roll on the Horde in the first place? Did you expect the nearly extinct Blood Elves to do all of the building for you?

i think the Horde Garrison looks great. The only thing it's really missing IMO is an Altar of Storms, otherwise it looks just like how an Orc base should look.

I think you're overestimating how upset people are about it lol. Horde garrisons may be less interesting (mostly due to Frostfire being less interesting than Shadowmoon) but like you say, it's consistent with the surrounding style/lore.

Let's be honest the Horde has had amazingly sick art direction for a long time now. I think they can live with this one lol. I'm glad the alliance got a bit of love here. I love Shadowmoon a lot and I love the alliance garrisons.

I played Horde for the first two expansions and I'm always Horde at heart, but I've been rolling primarily Alliance toons with friends ever since Wrath released. For the first time in over 5 years, I don't have to be insanely jealous of what I'm missing out on :D


Not sure why but this discussion reminded me of another thing art direction topic in this expansion... Who else is glad NIGHT TIME is slowly returning to Azeroth?! Ever since Cata, I think, most if not all of the zones never really had a true night cycle; a time that really felt dark. Every night was a consistent kind of "pale sunset", a lingering light that felt like perpetual dusk. And that was at BEST. Some zones didn't even cycle at all!

It was something I loved and missed about the earlier days of playing the game because I tended to play in evenings and fell in love with certain zones as a new player. One of my most distinct memories is Mulgore with the reflection of the moon across the plains. Rumor was that they took out night time because folks that could only play at night didn't like that it was dark all the time and couldn't experience the world in the daylight, but for me it was the opposite. Those memories stuck with me because it was when I was first playing the game. That nostalgia factor. Years later when they changed it I noticed when it WASN'T dark anymore, and hated that the world didn't have the same contrast and day/night evolution that it used to.


There have been highly upvoted posts on Reddit as well as tons of forum posts all from Horde complaining about how much better the Alliance Garrisons are.

It's such a stupid thing to be complaining about IMO. The Horde style of art has been consistent for the entirety of WoW except when we started to see a lot of Garrosh's influence which was supposed to be dark and modern which was against the shamanistic nomadic roots of the Orc, Troll and Tauren roots under Thrall, Cairne and Vol'Jin.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-08 23:39:35
December 08 2014 23:27 GMT
#6375
On December 09 2014 08:02 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 07:36 Duka08 wrote:
On December 09 2014 06:53 Vindicare605 wrote:
On December 09 2014 03:04 ViperPL wrote:
On December 08 2014 17:49 Cyro wrote:

I also find it funny that alliance barracks lvl 3 are bigger than whole horde garrison :D


Pics? I've only seen the horde garrison


Ok, so this is horde garrison lvl 3:
Right here.

And horde barracks lvl 3:
This one.

Meanwhile, alliance get's this lvl 3 awesome garrison:
Behold!

And big ass barrack lvl 3:
Behold some more!

While everyone has their own preferance I say horde got majorly screwed over with the garrison visiuals.


I don't understand this shit at all.

You guys are playing Horde. Horde has Orcs as its main faction race, Alliance has Humans. It's ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS.

The Garrisons look exactly like how you'd expect a typical Human or Orc base from Warcraft 3 to look. The only complaint I can see any kind of validity in is the regional differences as Shadowmoon Valley is definitely a much prettier zone than Frostfire Ridge.

But therein lies the whole concept behind the two faction bases. Alliance looks comfortable, Horde looks gritty and rugged. That's the entire point.

If you didn't like that theme why in the hell did you roll on the Horde in the first place? Did you expect the nearly extinct Blood Elves to do all of the building for you?

i think the Horde Garrison looks great. The only thing it's really missing IMO is an Altar of Storms, otherwise it looks just like how an Orc base should look.

I think you're overestimating how upset people are about it lol. Horde garrisons may be less interesting (mostly due to Frostfire being less interesting than Shadowmoon) but like you say, it's consistent with the surrounding style/lore.

Let's be honest the Horde has had amazingly sick art direction for a long time now. I think they can live with this one lol. I'm glad the alliance got a bit of love here. I love Shadowmoon a lot and I love the alliance garrisons.

I played Horde for the first two expansions and I'm always Horde at heart, but I've been rolling primarily Alliance toons with friends ever since Wrath released. For the first time in over 5 years, I don't have to be insanely jealous of what I'm missing out on :D


Not sure why but this discussion reminded me of another thing art direction topic in this expansion... Who else is glad NIGHT TIME is slowly returning to Azeroth?! Ever since Cata, I think, most if not all of the zones never really had a true night cycle; a time that really felt dark. Every night was a consistent kind of "pale sunset", a lingering light that felt like perpetual dusk. And that was at BEST. Some zones didn't even cycle at all!

It was something I loved and missed about the earlier days of playing the game because I tended to play in evenings and fell in love with certain zones as a new player. One of my most distinct memories is Mulgore with the reflection of the moon across the plains. Rumor was that they took out night time because folks that could only play at night didn't like that it was dark all the time and couldn't experience the world in the daylight, but for me it was the opposite. Those memories stuck with me because it was when I was first playing the game. That nostalgia factor. Years later when they changed it I noticed when it WASN'T dark anymore, and hated that the world didn't have the same contrast and day/night evolution that it used to.


There have been highly upvoted posts on Reddit as well as tons of forum posts all from Horde complaining about how much better the Alliance Garrisons are.

It's such a stupid thing to be complaining about IMO. The Horde style of art has been consistent for the entirety of WoW except when we started to see a lot of Garrosh's influence which was supposed to be dark and modern which was against the shamanistic nomadic roots of the Orc, Troll and Tauren roots under Thrall, Cairne and Vol'Jin.

Well perhaps I should rephrase. I think most reasonable folk will just bite the bullet and move on. As mentioned, it's consistent with the faction design post-Garrosh and is suited to the zone where it's located.

I'm not surprised there's people upset, and with a playerbase this large I'm not surprised it's a very LOUD upset. Classic Blizz fans. But there's no reason to complain other than "it's not cool and I like the other one better"
KingDime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada750 Posts
December 08 2014 23:41 GMT
#6376
Was I the only one that was impressed with horde level 3 garrison when seeing the cutscene heh. It looks like what the horde would build.
Doom Guy
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
December 08 2014 23:41 GMT
#6377
I dunno, I really like Frostfire Ridge. Then again I haven't leveled my Alliance toon yet, so we'll see.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
December 08 2014 23:47 GMT
#6378
I dunno, I've played with both garrisons and I think they're both good.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
December 08 2014 23:51 GMT
#6379
On December 09 2014 08:41 deth2munkies wrote:
I dunno, I really like Frostfire Ridge. Then again I haven't leveled my Alliance toon yet, so we'll see.

that was literally one of the worst zones ive ever leveled in
ever
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 08 2014 23:55 GMT
#6380
On December 09 2014 08:51 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 08:41 deth2munkies wrote:
I dunno, I really like Frostfire Ridge. Then again I haven't leveled my Alliance toon yet, so we'll see.

that was literally one of the worst zones ive ever leveled in
ever


Blade's Edge yo.

Anyway i like the Horde garrison. I see no reason to bitch about it.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
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