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pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
December 06 2014 09:59 GMT
#6221
Weakauras?

Also tectus was lol
Moderatorpachi fanclub http://goto.tl/6DI9 。◕‿◕。
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
December 06 2014 10:33 GMT
#6222
this is a qq post, but I must be the unluckiest person ever. 6 boss with 3 bonus rolls gave me nothing but gold. which means next week's raids are going to be just as painful. fml. meanwhile my alt gets random world drops and is sitting at 630 with 650+ epics and greens from leveling quests.
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
December 06 2014 10:36 GMT
#6223
On December 06 2014 19:33 caelym wrote:
this is a qq post, but I must be the unluckiest person ever. 6 boss with 3 bonus rolls gave me nothing but gold. which means next week's raids are going to be just as painful. fml. meanwhile my alt gets random world drops and is sitting at 630 with 650+ epics and greens from leveling quests.

If it helps you, I did the same also with 3 bonus rolls without any items.
Off-season = best season
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
December 06 2014 13:24 GMT
#6224
On December 06 2014 07:49 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2014 07:05 bo1b wrote:
On December 06 2014 05:17 Cyro wrote:
On December 05 2014 19:49 Laurens wrote:
Ah ok that makes sense, thanks.


Four raid difficulty levels:

LFR, tuned for lower gear and to be easy for PUG's, some mechanics removed

Normal, tuned for pretty normal gear levels

Heroic, tuned for higher gear levels (obtained by those min-maxing or having already farmed normal for a while)

Mythic, tuned for Heroic tier gear and having added mechanics and difficulty

I don't think Heroic is intended to be walked into with only gear from 5 man dungeons and cleared without loot from other raids - the people clearing it are the ones who are in high tier guilds and the guilds like Method had quite a few people with i650 running around before the raid opened. They just have lots of money from farming/boosting and there are so many BOE's that are far above the level of power for 5 man hc gear

Ascension did it with 4 people above 635 and 26 other's around 630-635 4 times so far, in 2 days after servers were playable for barthilas. Sounds pretty heroic to me

wow you mean a pretty top mythic guild managed to clear heroic in weak gear. wow, this is amazing and utterly unheard of.

Seriously you keep mentioning how top guilds are having no issues on content that is miles below there playing level.
Show me a guild that despite raiding for 1y + never killed mythic garrosh already having steamrolled Highmaul and I might consider you having a point. Untill then your just another troll throwing bullshit around.

ps. Surely you already cleared it in your questing gear since its so easy right?

So because I think this tier of raiding is ridiculously easy I'm a troll? Maybe mythic will prove me wrong, I sure hope so, because our guild just killed up to imperator on heroic and the "toughest" thing was the enrage timer on butcher.

I'll stop posting about it because I seem to be offending people by stating my opinion
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
December 06 2014 13:51 GMT
#6225
On December 06 2014 19:36 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2014 19:33 caelym wrote:
this is a qq post, but I must be the unluckiest person ever. 6 boss with 3 bonus rolls gave me nothing but gold. which means next week's raids are going to be just as painful. fml. meanwhile my alt gets random world drops and is sitting at 630 with 650+ epics and greens from leveling quests.

If it helps you, I did the same also with 3 bonus rolls without any items.

I got 2 650 items from the 2 world bosses, in slots where i had 645 and 646 items with better secondaries. So effectively, i got only 2 crystals/gold too.
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-06 13:55:19
December 06 2014 13:51 GMT
#6226
On December 06 2014 22:24 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2014 07:49 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 06 2014 07:05 bo1b wrote:
On December 06 2014 05:17 Cyro wrote:
On December 05 2014 19:49 Laurens wrote:
Ah ok that makes sense, thanks.


Four raid difficulty levels:

LFR, tuned for lower gear and to be easy for PUG's, some mechanics removed

Normal, tuned for pretty normal gear levels

Heroic, tuned for higher gear levels (obtained by those min-maxing or having already farmed normal for a while)

Mythic, tuned for Heroic tier gear and having added mechanics and difficulty

I don't think Heroic is intended to be walked into with only gear from 5 man dungeons and cleared without loot from other raids - the people clearing it are the ones who are in high tier guilds and the guilds like Method had quite a few people with i650 running around before the raid opened. They just have lots of money from farming/boosting and there are so many BOE's that are far above the level of power for 5 man hc gear

Ascension did it with 4 people above 635 and 26 other's around 630-635 4 times so far, in 2 days after servers were playable for barthilas. Sounds pretty heroic to me

wow you mean a pretty top mythic guild managed to clear heroic in weak gear. wow, this is amazing and utterly unheard of.

Seriously you keep mentioning how top guilds are having no issues on content that is miles below there playing level.
Show me a guild that despite raiding for 1y + never killed mythic garrosh already having steamrolled Highmaul and I might consider you having a point. Untill then your just another troll throwing bullshit around.

ps. Surely you already cleared it in your questing gear since its so easy right?

So because I think this tier of raiding is ridiculously easy I'm a troll? Maybe mythic will prove me wrong, I sure hope so, because our guild just killed up to imperator on heroic and the "toughest" thing was the enrage timer on butcher.

I'll stop posting about it because I seem to be offending people by stating my opinion


I think you're far too hung up on the 'heroic' name and forget to take into account that heroic now was normal before.

Top guilds have always found normal easy. This is not some crazy exception.

It's also kinda ironic that you complain about offending people but are actually the only one who comes across as offended.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21685 Posts
December 06 2014 14:04 GMT
#6227
On December 06 2014 22:24 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2014 07:49 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 06 2014 07:05 bo1b wrote:
On December 06 2014 05:17 Cyro wrote:
On December 05 2014 19:49 Laurens wrote:
Ah ok that makes sense, thanks.


Four raid difficulty levels:

LFR, tuned for lower gear and to be easy for PUG's, some mechanics removed

Normal, tuned for pretty normal gear levels

Heroic, tuned for higher gear levels (obtained by those min-maxing or having already farmed normal for a while)

Mythic, tuned for Heroic tier gear and having added mechanics and difficulty

I don't think Heroic is intended to be walked into with only gear from 5 man dungeons and cleared without loot from other raids - the people clearing it are the ones who are in high tier guilds and the guilds like Method had quite a few people with i650 running around before the raid opened. They just have lots of money from farming/boosting and there are so many BOE's that are far above the level of power for 5 man hc gear

Ascension did it with 4 people above 635 and 26 other's around 630-635 4 times so far, in 2 days after servers were playable for barthilas. Sounds pretty heroic to me

wow you mean a pretty top mythic guild managed to clear heroic in weak gear. wow, this is amazing and utterly unheard of.

Seriously you keep mentioning how top guilds are having no issues on content that is miles below there playing level.
Show me a guild that despite raiding for 1y + never killed mythic garrosh already having steamrolled Highmaul and I might consider you having a point. Untill then your just another troll throwing bullshit around.

ps. Surely you already cleared it in your questing gear since its so easy right?

So because I think this tier of raiding is ridiculously easy I'm a troll? Maybe mythic will prove me wrong, I sure hope so, because our guild just killed up to imperator on heroic and the "toughest" thing was the enrage timer on butcher.

I'll stop posting about it because I seem to be offending people by stating my opinion

No I am calling you a troll because your complaining that the top 1% of raiding guilds in the world are not having difficulty clearing heroic.
I even said this very thing at the end of my previous post lol.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
December 06 2014 14:52 GMT
#6228
On December 06 2014 23:04 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2014 22:24 bo1b wrote:
On December 06 2014 07:49 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 06 2014 07:05 bo1b wrote:
On December 06 2014 05:17 Cyro wrote:
On December 05 2014 19:49 Laurens wrote:
Ah ok that makes sense, thanks.


Four raid difficulty levels:

LFR, tuned for lower gear and to be easy for PUG's, some mechanics removed

Normal, tuned for pretty normal gear levels

Heroic, tuned for higher gear levels (obtained by those min-maxing or having already farmed normal for a while)

Mythic, tuned for Heroic tier gear and having added mechanics and difficulty

I don't think Heroic is intended to be walked into with only gear from 5 man dungeons and cleared without loot from other raids - the people clearing it are the ones who are in high tier guilds and the guilds like Method had quite a few people with i650 running around before the raid opened. They just have lots of money from farming/boosting and there are so many BOE's that are far above the level of power for 5 man hc gear

Ascension did it with 4 people above 635 and 26 other's around 630-635 4 times so far, in 2 days after servers were playable for barthilas. Sounds pretty heroic to me

wow you mean a pretty top mythic guild managed to clear heroic in weak gear. wow, this is amazing and utterly unheard of.

Seriously you keep mentioning how top guilds are having no issues on content that is miles below there playing level.
Show me a guild that despite raiding for 1y + never killed mythic garrosh already having steamrolled Highmaul and I might consider you having a point. Untill then your just another troll throwing bullshit around.

ps. Surely you already cleared it in your questing gear since its so easy right?

So because I think this tier of raiding is ridiculously easy I'm a troll? Maybe mythic will prove me wrong, I sure hope so, because our guild just killed up to imperator on heroic and the "toughest" thing was the enrage timer on butcher.

I'll stop posting about it because I seem to be offending people by stating my opinion

No I am calling you a troll because your complaining that the top 1% of raiding guilds in the world are not having difficulty clearing heroic.
I even said this very thing at the end of my previous post lol.

I'm complaining because I don't think top end guilds are going to take more then 2 weeks to fully clear mythic.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-06 14:56:00
December 06 2014 14:55 GMT
#6229
http://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/twisting-nether/Method/rating.tier16_25

Just like SoO then. What's your problem again?
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
December 06 2014 15:08 GMT
#6230
It's not really 2 weeks either, with the amount of beta experience the top guilds have. Not 100% but I think guilds get far more beta time now than they did in say tbc and even if not, bosses are more refined now than they were before when open testing starts.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 06 2014 15:41 GMT
#6231
Absolutely, in tbc guilds used to go into raids completely blind.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-06 16:03:44
December 06 2014 15:59 GMT
#6232
On December 06 2014 23:52 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2014 23:04 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 06 2014 22:24 bo1b wrote:
On December 06 2014 07:49 Gorsameth wrote:
On December 06 2014 07:05 bo1b wrote:
On December 06 2014 05:17 Cyro wrote:
On December 05 2014 19:49 Laurens wrote:
Ah ok that makes sense, thanks.


Four raid difficulty levels:

LFR, tuned for lower gear and to be easy for PUG's, some mechanics removed

Normal, tuned for pretty normal gear levels

Heroic, tuned for higher gear levels (obtained by those min-maxing or having already farmed normal for a while)

Mythic, tuned for Heroic tier gear and having added mechanics and difficulty

I don't think Heroic is intended to be walked into with only gear from 5 man dungeons and cleared without loot from other raids - the people clearing it are the ones who are in high tier guilds and the guilds like Method had quite a few people with i650 running around before the raid opened. They just have lots of money from farming/boosting and there are so many BOE's that are far above the level of power for 5 man hc gear

Ascension did it with 4 people above 635 and 26 other's around 630-635 4 times so far, in 2 days after servers were playable for barthilas. Sounds pretty heroic to me

wow you mean a pretty top mythic guild managed to clear heroic in weak gear. wow, this is amazing and utterly unheard of.

Seriously you keep mentioning how top guilds are having no issues on content that is miles below there playing level.
Show me a guild that despite raiding for 1y + never killed mythic garrosh already having steamrolled Highmaul and I might consider you having a point. Untill then your just another troll throwing bullshit around.

ps. Surely you already cleared it in your questing gear since its so easy right?

So because I think this tier of raiding is ridiculously easy I'm a troll? Maybe mythic will prove me wrong, I sure hope so, because our guild just killed up to imperator on heroic and the "toughest" thing was the enrage timer on butcher.

I'll stop posting about it because I seem to be offending people by stating my opinion

No I am calling you a troll because your complaining that the top 1% of raiding guilds in the world are not having difficulty clearing heroic.
I even said this very thing at the end of my previous post lol.

I'm complaining because I don't think top end guilds are going to take more then 2 weeks to fully clear mythic.

You know, this complaint always comes from people who think classic and tbc where somehow magically better. That being stuck on a single boss for weeks because you needed to farm up a skill (2nd boss mc) or just enough equip to break a dps-wall, was fun or good design. It's not. Classic and TBC werent harder, they were buggy as shit and people sucked and raiding overall sucked. 30min running between tries (MC, AQ), single group buffing, farming food and potions and shards for warlocks, all that stuff took so much more time and was not fun, nor difficult. It provided nothing and drained time that you now have for other stuff, like leveling and equipping alts.
Raiding today is much more streamlined. You wipe, you take the teleporter, you put down a feast for the whole group, everyone presses one buff button. 3 minutes and youre good to go (of course most of the times it still takes 10minutes because theres always slackers and especially casual guilds never call them out on it). And with the whole dual spec you can swap from tanks to dd or from heal to dd on the fly without dropping your member from the raid and if its really really necessary you can still swap one.
Then theres the whole PTR thing. The progress-raiding happens on PTR, when its not so public. Of course once the content is officially released the top raid guilds already know at least the first half of the dungeon and plow through it with their experience.
And last but not least, the top hardcore guilds dont have specfic raidtimes anymore. When new content is released, every time is raid time. They dont stop until they clear it. Raid food sleep raid food sleep.

Edit: on top of that, better raid tools, especially LOGS, provide detailed insight into why a wipe happened, what can be done to fix it and lets you call out retards who for the love of their life can not move out of obvious void zones. You do it twice in a hardcore guild? Youre out of the raid, if not the guild. You do it in your casual guild? Who fucking cares, everyone sucks and no one cares. Someone doesnt do enough dps? Good guilds notice and ask you to get good or you get booted (if you for some reason managed to get into the guild with your shit dps). Casual guilds dont care, they wipe till magic happens or till they get better equip.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 06 2014 16:22 GMT
#6233
Man I guess I'm the only one finding Highmaul difficult. I enjoy it though. Much more fun than the opening raids in MoP
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 06 2014 16:23 GMT
#6234
I think it's pretty well tuned overall except maybe Kargath which i find way too easy
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
December 06 2014 16:40 GMT
#6235
On December 07 2014 01:23 Teoita wrote:
I think it's pretty well tuned overall except maybe Kargath which i find way too easy

Yeah. I feel like Kargath on heroic is about the difficulty of normal brackenspore or tectus haha
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
December 06 2014 17:37 GMT
#6236
Pretty disappointed with this first tier of raids, hopefully mythic brings something more challenging to the table.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
December 06 2014 18:13 GMT
#6237
Not sure why people are still surprised with progression these days, especially the current Heroic.

It's like saying "wow Normal was pretty easy I hope Heroic is more difficult" in the previous expansion. Mythic is where it's at. That IS old heroic. And even still that will be cleared pretty quickly, inevitably. Warri's post above was on point.

Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21685 Posts
December 06 2014 18:36 GMT
#6238
On December 07 2014 03:13 Duka08 wrote:
Not sure why people are still surprised with progression these days, especially the current Heroic.

It's like saying "wow Normal was pretty easy I hope Heroic is more difficult" in the previous expansion. Mythic is where it's at. That IS old heroic. And even still that will be cleared pretty quickly, inevitably. Warri's post above was on point.


Even in tbc and vanilla everything died soon after it was opened unless it had silly requirements (8 fully geared tanks for 4 horsemen) or was downright broken (C'thun).
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
December 06 2014 18:43 GMT
#6239
It's pretty amazing how people are already bored with this tier after players who aren't them have cleared the content.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
December 06 2014 18:48 GMT
#6240
On December 07 2014 03:43 Squat wrote:
It's pretty amazing how people are already bored with this tier after players who aren't them have cleared the content.

Echo this statement every ~6 months for the past 5+ years
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