• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:02
CEST 18:02
KST 01:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0
StarCraft 2
General
Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group A [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu BW General Discussion StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET NA Team League 6/8/2025 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 22962 users

[wow] Warlords of Draenor - Page 309

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 307 308 309 310 311 591 Next
Add yourself to the player list
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 05 2014 10:50 GMT
#6161
This is also the first raid tier so expect it to become a little bit harder the more raids open.
WriterXiao8~~
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51472 Posts
December 05 2014 10:50 GMT
#6162
Yeah it took 2 nights to clear heroic(old normal) by the guilds that were try harding to do so. The other guilds who want to get good progress on Mythic are farming many groups in Normal (old flex) and Heroic (old normal) to get as much gear as possible to enter Tues (NA) Weds (EU) Mythic race which is where the boys become men :D

I have to say it is going to be probably 4-5 days until the big guilds are 6/7 Mythic imo but the last boss seems very tricky on Normal in shit gear i understand, but might take the top guilds a while to kill that. Will be interesting.

It also seems to be in the race to world first a straight fight between Method and Paragon. Anyone else follow this? DCRed being Finnish i guess you have heard of Paragon right? :D
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Tilorn91
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia218 Posts
December 05 2014 11:33 GMT
#6163
Hello everyone. For WoD I switched from a pala tank to a guardian due to guild needing one and having enough paladins as it is. The question I have is if anyone knows of a good site for guardians like maintankadin is for paladins?
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 05 2014 11:50 GMT
#6164
On December 05 2014 11:20 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2014 11:13 bo1b wrote:
Well, our guild ended up doing 6/7 on normal in one night, gonna push the first 2-3 on heroic on sunday/monday. Overall our dps was pretty ok, ranged from 16-24k dps (fucking ret is bullshit good atm lol). Then again I'm prioritising giving pretty much all the loot to dps at this point, next week I'll probably have to give some to healers tanks, but at this point the faster the better.

I really like brackenspore as a boss, I think that is going to be seriously difficult come mythic.

I'm glad I stuck around with demo, a lot of the problems with it are aleviated with gear. If you play a lock, get a copeland's clarity asap as well.


I would definitely like one of those. Alchy stone and 615 trinket are better than the 630s, but really crimping my DPS

Was ranging from 15-19k on Tectus, 17-18k on Butcher/Kargath (not in chain group). I know I can do a bit better with the rotations (clipped some Haunts, ran outta Soul Shards right before DS came back up, let my DoTs fall off while running from red shit around a pillar on Tectus, etc.). But I think that's about as good as my current gear is going to get.


630's got buffed to 159 int again, they are better than the 615 one now.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
December 05 2014 11:56 GMT
#6165
Ok, so I have one Steelforged dagger on my 97 Rogue, and I see now they're unique-equipped Warlord's crafted 1/3...Can I equip another Steelforged dagger in my off-hand, or the Steelforged hammer, or is it 1 dagger only ~ 1 hammer only?

I would save my 2/3 for my weapons.
Support your esport!
Tydrokos
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States56 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-05 12:37:12
December 05 2014 11:59 GMT
#6166
On December 05 2014 15:23 ViperPL wrote:

EDIT: Can horde follower Aeda Brightdawn roll abilities that counter something else than timed battle? I finally leveled her to epic and now she has metamorphosis and infernal, which both counter timed battle. I'd rather have something against massive blow or wild aggression on her.


There is an item called Follower Re-training Certificate that rerolls everything but I think it is all RNG. I got one from a rare follower mission. I have no idea who I am going to use it on yet though. I haven't gotten unlucky enough for any of my epic followers to have the same ability twice.

Edit: Also if someone could add me to the character list my btag is Tydrokos#1771and my character's name Is Tydrogen I play Boomkin on US Alliance Sargeras. I am always up for PvP and Raids when I am on. (Raids if they aren't too late at night like after 9 or 10 est because I go to work early in the morning) 2200 exp RBGs and currently 639 ilvl PvE
DCRed
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland435 Posts
December 05 2014 12:59 GMT
#6167
On December 05 2014 20:50 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2014 11:20 deth2munkies wrote:
On December 05 2014 11:13 bo1b wrote:
Well, our guild ended up doing 6/7 on normal in one night, gonna push the first 2-3 on heroic on sunday/monday. Overall our dps was pretty ok, ranged from 16-24k dps (fucking ret is bullshit good atm lol). Then again I'm prioritising giving pretty much all the loot to dps at this point, next week I'll probably have to give some to healers tanks, but at this point the faster the better.

I really like brackenspore as a boss, I think that is going to be seriously difficult come mythic.

I'm glad I stuck around with demo, a lot of the problems with it are aleviated with gear. If you play a lock, get a copeland's clarity asap as well.


I would definitely like one of those. Alchy stone and 615 trinket are better than the 630s, but really crimping my DPS

Was ranging from 15-19k on Tectus, 17-18k on Butcher/Kargath (not in chain group). I know I can do a bit better with the rotations (clipped some Haunts, ran outta Soul Shards right before DS came back up, let my DoTs fall off while running from red shit around a pillar on Tectus, etc.). But I think that's about as good as my current gear is going to get.


630's got buffed to 159 int again, they are better than the 615 one now.


630 heroics? I'm not seeing any changes on those.
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
December 05 2014 13:05 GMT
#6168
Just curious what people think about the difficulty here. Note that I'm asking for TEN guilds, not just one (better sample size).

Poll: How long until 10 guilds clear 7/7 Mythic?

One day (0)
 
0%

Two days (1)
 
10%

Three days (1)
 
10%

Four days (4)
 
40%

Five days (0)
 
0%

Six days (0)
 
0%

Seven days (2)
 
20%

Eight days or more (2)
 
20%

10 total votes

Your vote: How long until 10 guilds clear 7/7 Mythic?

(Vote): One day
(Vote): Two days
(Vote): Three days
(Vote): Four days
(Vote): Five days
(Vote): Six days
(Vote): Seven days
(Vote): Eight days or more



I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
December 05 2014 13:09 GMT
#6169
I voted for four days. I think I'm being a little generous with that too, blizzard gave way too much time for people to gear up tbh. The best guild on oceania already has players at ~670 ilvl or so, and tbh the flexible raid size is stupidly abusable for hardcore guilds.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-05 13:18:42
December 05 2014 13:15 GMT
#6170
On December 05 2014 21:59 DCRed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2014 20:50 Teoita wrote:
On December 05 2014 11:20 deth2munkies wrote:
On December 05 2014 11:13 bo1b wrote:
Well, our guild ended up doing 6/7 on normal in one night, gonna push the first 2-3 on heroic on sunday/monday. Overall our dps was pretty ok, ranged from 16-24k dps (fucking ret is bullshit good atm lol). Then again I'm prioritising giving pretty much all the loot to dps at this point, next week I'll probably have to give some to healers tanks, but at this point the faster the better.

I really like brackenspore as a boss, I think that is going to be seriously difficult come mythic.

I'm glad I stuck around with demo, a lot of the problems with it are aleviated with gear. If you play a lock, get a copeland's clarity asap as well.


I would definitely like one of those. Alchy stone and 615 trinket are better than the 630s, but really crimping my DPS

Was ranging from 15-19k on Tectus, 17-18k on Butcher/Kargath (not in chain group). I know I can do a bit better with the rotations (clipped some Haunts, ran outta Soul Shards right before DS came back up, let my DoTs fall off while running from red shit around a pillar on Tectus, etc.). But I think that's about as good as my current gear is going to get.


630's got buffed to 159 int again, they are better than the 615 one now.


630 heroics? I'm not seeing any changes on those.


Yeah my ragefang now has 159 int on it, while the garrison one still had 138.

edit: FUCK now it has 109 and i disenchanted the 615 -.- why are you retarded blizzard, why...it was perfectly fine at 159 int...
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
December 05 2014 13:17 GMT
#6171
Finally got rid of my last PVP piece in my PVE gear. Got me a nice 650 chest off the world boss .
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-05 13:18:59
December 05 2014 13:18 GMT
#6172
Why do people care how long top 10 guilds need to clear anything? Seems to me that is entirely irrelevant to anyone who is not in those guilds.
Off-season = best season
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
December 05 2014 13:28 GMT
#6173
On December 05 2014 22:18 Redox wrote:
Why do people care how long top 10 guilds need to clear anything? Seems to me that is entirely irrelevant to anyone who is not in those guilds.

It's pretty indicative tbh of the rest of the world. If it takes weeks to get the last boss down you can be pretty assured it's hard as fuck, if it takes 2 days then not so much. Just a good indication tbh.
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
December 05 2014 13:28 GMT
#6174
On December 05 2014 22:09 bo1b wrote:
I voted for four days. I think I'm being a little generous with that too, blizzard gave way too much time for people to gear up tbh. The best guild on oceania already has players at ~670 ilvl or so, and tbh the flexible raid size is stupidly abusable for hardcore guilds.


This is a very good point, since they were selling Mythic gear on the BMAH.
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
December 05 2014 13:36 GMT
#6175
On December 05 2014 22:28 Serejai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2014 22:09 bo1b wrote:
I voted for four days. I think I'm being a little generous with that too, blizzard gave way too much time for people to gear up tbh. The best guild on oceania already has players at ~670 ilvl or so, and tbh the flexible raid size is stupidly abusable for hardcore guilds.


This is a very good point, since they were selling Mythic gear on the BMAH.

You don't even need bmah loot if you have a team thats hard core enough. Ascenion was running heroics with 1 class of plate/leather/cloth/mail and 26 other fillers then funnelling all the loot to those mains. It's kind of ridiculous when 6 pieces of loot drop per boss.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 05 2014 13:44 GMT
#6176
Eh when the system is that abusable by top guilds (and not by the average raiding guild) it also means that the time they take to clear mythic isn't a great indication of content difficulty
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-05 13:53:50
December 05 2014 13:50 GMT
#6177
On December 05 2014 22:44 Teoita wrote:
Eh when the system is that abusable by top guilds (and not by the average raiding guild) it also means that the time they take to clear mythic isn't a great indication of content difficulty

The only reason it's that abusable is that the content at heroic and normal difficulties is trivial. If the gear check at heroic was significant strategies like that could never get off the ground.

As an example, the tightest dps check on heroic is the butcher, which requires 19k dps per dps player assuming a standard ratio of healers/tanks/dps. That shit is abusable in the way that good guilds can get both more healing and damage per player then lesser guilds, and they can end up using more dps then healers.

To be frank, 630 or so ilvl is enough to push most dps averages up to 19k.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 05 2014 13:56 GMT
#6178
Its the first raid, what do you expect?
WriterXiao8~~
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21588 Posts
December 05 2014 14:01 GMT
#6179
On December 05 2014 22:50 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2014 22:44 Teoita wrote:
Eh when the system is that abusable by top guilds (and not by the average raiding guild) it also means that the time they take to clear mythic isn't a great indication of content difficulty

The only reason it's that abusable is that the content at heroic and normal difficulties is trivial. If the gear check at heroic was significant strategies like that could never get off the ground.

As an example, the tightest dps check on heroic is the butcher, which requires 19k dps per dps player assuming a standard ratio of healers/tanks/dps. That shit is abusable in the way that good guilds can get both more healing and damage per player then lesser guilds, and they can end up using more dps then healers.

To be frank, 630 or so ilvl is enough to push most dps averages up to 19k.

yes when you group some of the best players in the world together heroic and normal is trivial. Surprise, the difficulty isn't meant for them. what exactly is your argument?

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
December 05 2014 14:02 GMT
#6180
On December 05 2014 22:56 Kipsate wrote:
Its the first raid, what do you expect?

Yeh, I'm probably being overly critical. Was just hoping with a 3 week delay before the raid that there would be a bit more substantial difficulty in the latter stages of the raid.

Then again I could be completely wrong and the raid won't be done till after black rock is announced.
Prev 1 307 308 309 310 311 591 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 58m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
trigger 224
ProTech81
mouzHeroMarine 39
EnDerr 19
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 7633
Sea 6541
Hyuk 1648
Rain 1385
Snow 431
Soulkey 156
Zeus 110
PianO 105
sorry 87
HiyA 70
[ Show more ]
hero 47
TY 44
Rush 39
Terrorterran 25
Nal_rA 25
Noble 18
Yoon 15
IntoTheRainbow 10
zelot 6
Barracks 0
Dota 2
Gorgc6537
qojqva3309
Fuzer 185
League of Legends
Dendi1380
Counter-Strike
fl0m5812
olofmeister2370
Foxcn155
rGuardiaN106
Super Smash Bros
Chillindude34
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor164
Other Games
singsing2644
FrodaN901
C9.Mang0670
Beastyqt526
Mlord452
crisheroes416
Hui .206
ArmadaUGS136
Mew2King119
XaKoH 85
elazer84
Trikslyr79
KnowMe69
Organizations
StarCraft 2
WardiTV702
Other Games
BasetradeTV25
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 12
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 13
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3521
• lizZardDota275
League of Legends
• Nemesis4806
• Jankos2874
• TFBlade1067
Upcoming Events
OSC
4h 58m
ArT vs ReBellioN
HonMonO vs Ziomek
Shameless vs LunaSea
MilkiCow vs GgMaChine
Moja vs HiGhDrA
Jumy vs TBD
Demi vs NightPhoenix
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
7h 58m
OSC
7h 58m
WardiTV Invitational
18h 58m
OSC
20h 58m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 10h
SOOP
1d 16h
sOs vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings
1d 17h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 18h
Cheesadelphia
1d 22h
[ Show More ]
CSO Cup
2 days
GSL Code S
2 days
Rogue vs herO
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.