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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 13:07:43
December 01 2014 13:07 GMT
#5761
I've gotten 2 trinkets so far, and i'm not even using one of them because a random 615 thingy from garrisons is actually better. Also got two weapons, one of them twice, and 2-3 offhands. Hooray for variance.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
December 01 2014 13:08 GMT
#5762
I'm using a 615 trinket from Garrison stuff and my Alchemist's Stone that's 620. I have 2 630 trinkets, they're just strictly worse (lower base stats, lower/worse proc stats). No idea how the itemization is working.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
December 01 2014 13:11 GMT
#5763
On December 01 2014 21:52 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 21:25 Cixah wrote:
A few tanks I've talked to say that the 2 hander for DK's and Druids, and the sword and board for Warriors/Paladins are still best in slot, unless you can get a CM daily to roll good or the BoE's to drop. Apparently the sockets are worth a lot now.

I've gotten 6 off hands off the Slag Mines boss. All of them warforged. Currently farming the Dagger out of Auch, and the Wand.

I've never gotten the Warforged Offhand, just 3 of them with Leech. Also can never find a goddamned cloth chest.


PSA for people farming CLOTH chest pieces.

They are bugged and not in the loot tables for personal loot on ANY of the bosses on ANY of the heroics. If you want Chest Pieces you need to either get a crafted one, do the CM daily and get lucky, or go through with a premade group and put it on Need before Greed for that boss that the Journal says it can drop in.
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Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
December 01 2014 13:26 GMT
#5764
Also if you want a weapon that badly you can always buy one from a inscriptor and upgrade it all the way to 655.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 01 2014 13:34 GMT
#5765
On December 01 2014 22:07 Teoita wrote:
I've gotten 2 trinkets so far, and i'm not even using one of them because a random 615 thingy from garrisons is actually better. Also got two weapons, one of them twice, and 2-3 offhands. Hooray for variance.


Loool
I got hc wf firefang yesterday finally :D

Mage
Warrior

Need gloves and im done for both chars pre raid i think. Could get some more gear from AH and such but i still be ok with that.

Also my warrior name is best ever right teo...right :D
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
December 01 2014 13:35 GMT
#5766
I just made a one hander with the forge on one of my alts, mailed it to my main and focused on getting the upgrades. Should have the 655 version soon. I'll make the shield with the second alt and do the same thing.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 14:33:03
December 01 2014 14:28 GMT
#5767
On December 01 2014 22:08 deth2munkies wrote:
I'm using a 615 trinket from Garrison stuff and my Alchemist's Stone that's 620. I have 2 630 trinkets, they're just strictly worse (lower base stats, lower/worse proc stats). No idea how the itemization is working.


They said they are going to make more changes to trinkets; they nerfed some of the 630+ ones after release but didn't touch the lower ilvl ones.

I got hc wf firefang yesterday finally :D


Just ran sims earlier, the garrison one is slightly better than hc firefang (which i also have lol). Not sure about wf, i guess they'd be pretty even. #balance
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 14:48:27
December 01 2014 14:37 GMT
#5768
Garrison one?
+ Show Spoiler [TrinketBIS] +

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Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
December 01 2014 14:42 GMT
#5769
Presumably the one from a 615 mission.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
December 01 2014 14:50 GMT
#5770
The itemization on trinkets, especially garrison mission rewards, seems totally out of whack from what I've noticed. I've gotten 615 and 630 rewards on multiple chars that were pretty objectively worse than the 600-615's I had acquired somehow along the way (rares/quests/normals/idk).
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 15:00:39
December 01 2014 14:58 GMT
#5771
Yep http://www.wowhead.com/item=114428 138 int rofl, that's 50 more than Genesaur Blood for example.

It's not listed in those sims. The difference was like 500 dps in a patchwerk fight though, so it's pretty negligible. Still funny that a 615 trinket can be that good, im sure it will get nerfed soon (Blizzard said they are going to make more changes to trinkets).
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20344 Posts
December 01 2014 15:07 GMT
#5772
Oh yeah LFR is week after but still Normal should be faceroll if your 10-30 people all on same voice comms and have raiding experience before.
Also probs help if 630+ gear


If everything goes to plan, we should be taking 10 people of ~635 and raiding something like 6pm-2am first day (:

not til thursday though
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 15:20:29
December 01 2014 15:19 GMT
#5773
On December 01 2014 23:58 Teoita wrote:
Yep http://www.wowhead.com/item=114428 138 int rofl, that's 50 more than Genesaur Blood for example.

It's not listed in those sims. The difference was like 500 dps in a patchwerk fight though, so it's pretty negligible. Still funny that a 615 trinket can be that good, im sure it will get nerfed soon (Blizzard said they are going to make more changes to trinkets).


Hmm think armory bugged. TT
Says blood has 159intellect atm xD so confusing with all the nerfs and shit

But if it is true then yes by a mile it is better due to int > all atm. Stats mean nothing due to how op spellpower is

On December 02 2014 00:07 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
Oh yeah LFR is week after but still Normal should be faceroll if your 10-30 people all on same voice comms and have raiding experience before.
Also probs help if 630+ gear


If everything goes to plan, we should be taking 10 people of ~635 and raiding something like 6pm-2am first day (:

not til thursday though


Yeah nice! Only troublesome boss will be last one as it has soft enrage timers and such.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
December 01 2014 15:35 GMT
#5774
On December 01 2014 09:31 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 07:04 Firebolt145 wrote:
I haven't stepped into the CM's yet. Cyro, how do they compare to Wildstar's dungeons?

WOD HC's at item level 600-610 remind me of Wildstar veteran 5 man difficult a lot.. but gear scaling is much bigger in WoW than in Wildstar (In WS, you ding 50, get crafted gear, then your DPS improves like 20-30% going to full raid gear pre drop 3+4.. in WoW, you ding max level and then your damage doubles between dinging and i640 before you even go into a normal mode raid) so by the time you're geared from the 5 mans, ring quest + extras, that difficulty level just isn't there any more on HC

Everything else aside, unless I'm misunderstanding you WoW heroic 5 mans are nowhere even close to Wildstar's veteran dungeons. My first times in each dungeon so far has included maybe one or two wipes at most across the whole dungeon without knowing anything about the encounters.
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 15:47:52
December 01 2014 15:47 GMT
#5775
Hmm think armory bugged. TT
Says blood has 159intellect atm xD so confusing with all the nerfs and shit

But if it is true then yes by a mile it is better due to int > all atm. Stats mean nothing due to how op spellpower is


Armory still has all the pre nerf trinkets. Currently Blood has 88 int on live. Still good for frost though, i'm using it

Also, heroics are faceroll compared to CM's. It's not even close.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
KingDime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada750 Posts
December 01 2014 16:02 GMT
#5776
On December 02 2014 00:35 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 09:31 Cyro wrote:
On December 01 2014 07:04 Firebolt145 wrote:
I haven't stepped into the CM's yet. Cyro, how do they compare to Wildstar's dungeons?

WOD HC's at item level 600-610 remind me of Wildstar veteran 5 man difficult a lot.. but gear scaling is much bigger in WoW than in Wildstar (In WS, you ding 50, get crafted gear, then your DPS improves like 20-30% going to full raid gear pre drop 3+4.. in WoW, you ding max level and then your damage doubles between dinging and i640 before you even go into a normal mode raid) so by the time you're geared from the 5 mans, ring quest + extras, that difficulty level just isn't there any more on HC

Everything else aside, unless I'm misunderstanding you WoW heroic 5 mans are nowhere even close to Wildstar's veteran dungeons. My first times in each dungeon so far has included maybe one or two wipes at most across the whole dungeon without knowing anything about the encounters.


Don't forget that if you're using the LFG system you essentially get a +15% buff for heroics. I know a lot of groups that would have failed tons without that buff. It gives a ridiculous amount of a breathing room.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-01 17:42:15
December 01 2014 16:07 GMT
#5777
On December 02 2014 01:02 KingDime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 00:35 Firebolt145 wrote:
On December 01 2014 09:31 Cyro wrote:
On December 01 2014 07:04 Firebolt145 wrote:
I haven't stepped into the CM's yet. Cyro, how do they compare to Wildstar's dungeons?

WOD HC's at item level 600-610 remind me of Wildstar veteran 5 man difficult a lot.. but gear scaling is much bigger in WoW than in Wildstar (In WS, you ding 50, get crafted gear, then your DPS improves like 20-30% going to full raid gear pre drop 3+4.. in WoW, you ding max level and then your damage doubles between dinging and i640 before you even go into a normal mode raid) so by the time you're geared from the 5 mans, ring quest + extras, that difficulty level just isn't there any more on HC

Everything else aside, unless I'm misunderstanding you WoW heroic 5 mans are nowhere even close to Wildstar's veteran dungeons. My first times in each dungeon so far has included maybe one or two wipes at most across the whole dungeon without knowing anything about the encounters.


Don't forget that if you're using the LFG system you essentially get a +15% buff for heroics. I know a lot of groups that would have failed tons without that buff. It gives a ridiculous amount of a breathing room.

Yep, tried to do leeroy jenkins achievement with randoms that I collected with group finder, 630+. Wipe at trash, double the record time on first boss, wipe and 3 people ragequitting on the second boss. Use dungeon finder tool, at the start say "let's do leeroy jenkins ach ok?" and they do it and we oneshot it very easily.

To be honest, the only thing they should change is making heroics require gold instead of silver, but even silvers usually seem to not be terribad so the experiences have practically always been positive.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22577 Posts
December 01 2014 16:10 GMT
#5778
On December 02 2014 01:07 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2014 01:02 KingDime wrote:
On December 02 2014 00:35 Firebolt145 wrote:
On December 01 2014 09:31 Cyro wrote:
On December 01 2014 07:04 Firebolt145 wrote:
I haven't stepped into the CM's yet. Cyro, how do they compare to Wildstar's dungeons?

WOD HC's at item level 600-610 remind me of Wildstar veteran 5 man difficult a lot.. but gear scaling is much bigger in WoW than in Wildstar (In WS, you ding 50, get crafted gear, then your DPS improves like 20-30% going to full raid gear pre drop 3+4.. in WoW, you ding max level and then your damage doubles between dinging and i640 before you even go into a normal mode raid) so by the time you're geared from the 5 mans, ring quest + extras, that difficulty level just isn't there any more on HC

Everything else aside, unless I'm misunderstanding you WoW heroic 5 mans are nowhere even close to Wildstar's veteran dungeons. My first times in each dungeon so far has included maybe one or two wipes at most across the whole dungeon without knowing anything about the encounters.


Don't forget that if you're using the LFG system you essentially get a +15% buff for heroics. I know a lot of groups that would have failed tons without that buff. It gives a ridiculous amount of a breathing room.

Yep, tried to do leeroy jenkins achievement with randoms that I collected with group finder, 630+. Wipe at trash, half the record time on first boss, wipe and 3 people ragequitting on the second boss. Use dungeon finder tool, at the start say "let's do leeroy jenkins ach ok?" and they do it and we oneshot it very easily.

To be honest, the only thing they should change is making heroics require gold instead of silver, but even silvers usually seem to not be terribad so the experiences have practically always been positive.

Gold is excessive for 5m heroics. They are not that difficulty and the only difficulty comes from people not knowing the fight (like grimrail second boss)

Plus gold difficulty is all over the place for classes. Atleast silver is doable by everyone even remotely competent.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
December 01 2014 16:17 GMT
#5779
I haven't tried any fancy achievements. I've done them both with LFG groups and with full premade groups of people who are in for their first time, and have always proceeded to kill everything fine with maybe one or two wipes total per dungeon. It may be a complete different story in challenge mode, but I have yet to experience any difficulty in heroics.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 01 2014 16:19 GMT
#5780
Trash like someone else pointed out is the hardest part about CMs, bosses themselves are fine. However knowing how much trash to pull and hoping everyone is interrupting the right spell or focuses the right target is another thing with pug groups or whatever.
Voice comms + everyone 630+ makes CM also pretty straight forward, not saying you will get gold insta, but you should be able to complete it within 40minutes or so.
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