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On September 12 2014 20:22 deth2munkies wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 20:17 bo1b wrote:
"Demo just lost 33% dps. Surely in no magical fairy land could anyone ever think that demo is overperforming by 33%. It was." - Celastion
Why is some smug fuckwit in charge of balancing? That communication is horrible. Someone who was factually wrong and had no idea what he was talking about was bitching, got what he deserved.
Except he's not factually wrong, in no raid test above 2 minutes did demo ever perform 33% better then they should have, and if you want to say they did prove me wrong.
Seems like he's taken a class that was slightly above middle of the pack and then put them down to tank dps.
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Then again, people are morons and scrubs bitching on twitter about balance way more so. Dealing with that kind of stupidity every day must be really taxing, even modding just TL sometimes makes me want to start banning entire threads...
On September 12 2014 21:03 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 20:22 deth2munkies wrote:On September 12 2014 20:17 bo1b wrote:
"Demo just lost 33% dps. Surely in no magical fairy land could anyone ever think that demo is overperforming by 33%. It was." - Celastion
Why is some smug fuckwit in charge of balancing? That communication is horrible. Someone who was factually wrong and had no idea what he was talking about was bitching, got what he deserved. Except he's not factually wrong, in no raid test above 2 minutes did demo ever perform 33% better then they should have, and if you want to say they did prove me wrong. Seems like he's taken a class that was slightly above middle of the pack and then put them down to tank dps.
I really need to find that fucking quote about "jaw-dropping mage dps at level 70" that resulted in the class more or less not being viable for raiding in t6 content.
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I guess it's sort of expected with locks being broken throughout this expac that the next one they'd be significantly worse.
That said, seems kind of shitty that instead of listening to them when they said they'd be op (like that whoe debacle with uvls) and fixing the problem then they're going to gut them in the follow up.
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On September 12 2014 21:04 Teoita wrote:Then again, people are morons and scrubs bitching on twitter about balance way more so. Dealing with that kind of stupidity every day must be really taxing, even modding just TL sometimes makes me want to start banning entire threads... Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 21:03 bo1b wrote:On September 12 2014 20:22 deth2munkies wrote:On September 12 2014 20:17 bo1b wrote:
"Demo just lost 33% dps. Surely in no magical fairy land could anyone ever think that demo is overperforming by 33%. It was." - Celastion
Why is some smug fuckwit in charge of balancing? That communication is horrible. Someone who was factually wrong and had no idea what he was talking about was bitching, got what he deserved. Except he's not factually wrong, in no raid test above 2 minutes did demo ever perform 33% better then they should have, and if you want to say they did prove me wrong. Seems like he's taken a class that was slightly above middle of the pack and then put them down to tank dps. I really need to find that fucking quote about "jaw-dropping mage dps at level 70" that resulted in the class more or less not being viable for raiding in t6 content.
HAHAHA. I remember their JAW DROPPING dps.
Kalgan wrote:
I know that many of you are feeling like mages will be a "nerfed" class in the expansion. However, I think it's worth pointing out that in all of the testing we've done so far, the mage has been the clear-cut top damage class in the expansion at level 70, even against single targets (hopefully not too much so). In test after test, our jaws are consistently dropping at the sheer damage output we've seen from the mage at level 70, so I do think that some of the panic here is unwarranted. These results are directly what have led to some of the changes such as the one to elemental precision. Damage = zomg.
I remember being completely stomped on the damage meters by Warlocks, Hunters, Shadow Priests, Rogues, Warriors, Shamans, Paladins... Bear Druids... it was awful.
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On September 12 2014 20:58 Serejai wrote:
It's really nothing new. That's how Blizzard as a company has operated for nearly a decade now; lie to customers, talk down to them, and the biggest thing that still pisses me off is how they cover up all of their mistakes. To this day they still deny hacks/dupes in WoW, and in most cases will ban you from the forums if you question them about it. It's quite sickening.
If recent years have shown us anything it's that Blizzard outright encourages that kind of behavior from their team members. One great example of this is Jay Wilson, and how he was promoted to a lead position on Titan for having a public meltdown over Diablo III. Tseric was another great example from back in the day, where he would literally go around belittling customers on the forums.
I guess you've never played Ubisoft or EA games?
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On September 12 2014 21:28 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 20:58 Serejai wrote:
It's really nothing new. That's how Blizzard as a company has operated for nearly a decade now; lie to customers, talk down to them, and the biggest thing that still pisses me off is how they cover up all of their mistakes. To this day they still deny hacks/dupes in WoW, and in most cases will ban you from the forums if you question them about it. It's quite sickening.
If recent years have shown us anything it's that Blizzard outright encourages that kind of behavior from their team members. One great example of this is Jay Wilson, and how he was promoted to a lead position on Titan for having a public meltdown over Diablo III. Tseric was another great example from back in the day, where he would literally go around belittling customers on the forums. I guess you've never played Ubisoft or EA games?
I have, but this is a thread about World of Warcraft. Just because other companies are awful doesn't mean it's acceptable for Blizzard to go that route as well. You won't see me posting that in an EA/Ubisoft thread because, well, pretty much everyone already knows and accepts how terrible those companies are. The issue with Blizzard is that they are just as bad but for some reason people constantly defend them like they are the holy grail of gaming.
Ten years ago? Yeah, Blizzard was amazing. Time to put down the nostalgia glasses, though; they haven't been the same company for a long while.
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On September 12 2014 21:31 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 21:28 Mikau wrote:On September 12 2014 20:58 Serejai wrote:
It's really nothing new. That's how Blizzard as a company has operated for nearly a decade now; lie to customers, talk down to them, and the biggest thing that still pisses me off is how they cover up all of their mistakes. To this day they still deny hacks/dupes in WoW, and in most cases will ban you from the forums if you question them about it. It's quite sickening.
If recent years have shown us anything it's that Blizzard outright encourages that kind of behavior from their team members. One great example of this is Jay Wilson, and how he was promoted to a lead position on Titan for having a public meltdown over Diablo III. Tseric was another great example from back in the day, where he would literally go around belittling customers on the forums. I guess you've never played Ubisoft or EA games? I have, but this is a thread about World of Warcraft. Just because other companies are awful doesn't mean it's acceptable for Blizzard to go that route as well. You won't see me posting that in an EA/Ubisoft thread because, well, pretty much everyone already knows and accepts how terrible those companies are. The issue with Blizzard is that they are just as bad but for some reason people constantly defend them like they are the holy grail of gaming. Ten years ago? Yeah, Blizzard was amazing. Time to put down the nostalgia glasses, though; they haven't been the same company for a long while.
Dude, haven't you played fifa 14?
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On September 12 2014 21:28 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 21:04 Teoita wrote:Then again, people are morons and scrubs bitching on twitter about balance way more so. Dealing with that kind of stupidity every day must be really taxing, even modding just TL sometimes makes me want to start banning entire threads... On September 12 2014 21:03 bo1b wrote:On September 12 2014 20:22 deth2munkies wrote:On September 12 2014 20:17 bo1b wrote:
"Demo just lost 33% dps. Surely in no magical fairy land could anyone ever think that demo is overperforming by 33%. It was." - Celastion
Why is some smug fuckwit in charge of balancing? That communication is horrible. Someone who was factually wrong and had no idea what he was talking about was bitching, got what he deserved. Except he's not factually wrong, in no raid test above 2 minutes did demo ever perform 33% better then they should have, and if you want to say they did prove me wrong. Seems like he's taken a class that was slightly above middle of the pack and then put them down to tank dps. I really need to find that fucking quote about "jaw-dropping mage dps at level 70" that resulted in the class more or less not being viable for raiding in t6 content. HAHAHA. I remember their JAW DROPPING dps. Show nested quote +Kalgan wrote:
I know that many of you are feeling like mages will be a "nerfed" class in the expansion. However, I think it's worth pointing out that in all of the testing we've done so far, the mage has been the clear-cut top damage class in the expansion at level 70, even against single targets (hopefully not too much so). In test after test, our jaws are consistently dropping at the sheer damage output we've seen from the mage at level 70, so I do think that some of the panic here is unwarranted. These results are directly what have led to some of the changes such as the one to elemental precision. Damage = zomg. I remember being completely stomped on the damage meters by Warlocks, Hunters, Shadow Priests, Rogues, Warriors, Shamans, Paladins... Bear Druids... it was awful.
I remember sitting outside of Sunwell on my mage making muffins for my guild while levelling an alt... 
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On September 12 2014 21:31 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 21:28 Mikau wrote:On September 12 2014 20:58 Serejai wrote:
It's really nothing new. That's how Blizzard as a company has operated for nearly a decade now; lie to customers, talk down to them, and the biggest thing that still pisses me off is how they cover up all of their mistakes. To this day they still deny hacks/dupes in WoW, and in most cases will ban you from the forums if you question them about it. It's quite sickening.
If recent years have shown us anything it's that Blizzard outright encourages that kind of behavior from their team members. One great example of this is Jay Wilson, and how he was promoted to a lead position on Titan for having a public meltdown over Diablo III. Tseric was another great example from back in the day, where he would literally go around belittling customers on the forums. I guess you've never played Ubisoft or EA games? I have, but this is a thread about World of Warcraft. Just because other companies are awful doesn't mean it's acceptable for Blizzard to go that route as well. You won't see me posting that in an EA/Ubisoft thread because, well, pretty much everyone already knows and accepts how terrible those companies are. The issue with Blizzard is that they are just as bad but for some reason people constantly defend them like they are the holy grail of gaming. Ten years ago? Yeah, Blizzard was amazing. Time to put down the nostalgia glasses, though; they haven't been the same company for a long while.
The fact that they communicate with their players at all puts them way above most big game designers. I'm not saying Blizzard hasn't gotten worse compared to 10 years ago but they're still head and shoulders above other big companies. A little perspective in this is all I'm advocating.
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On September 12 2014 21:34 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 21:28 Serejai wrote:On September 12 2014 21:04 Teoita wrote:Then again, people are morons and scrubs bitching on twitter about balance way more so. Dealing with that kind of stupidity every day must be really taxing, even modding just TL sometimes makes me want to start banning entire threads... On September 12 2014 21:03 bo1b wrote:On September 12 2014 20:22 deth2munkies wrote:On September 12 2014 20:17 bo1b wrote:
"Demo just lost 33% dps. Surely in no magical fairy land could anyone ever think that demo is overperforming by 33%. It was." - Celastion
Why is some smug fuckwit in charge of balancing? That communication is horrible. Someone who was factually wrong and had no idea what he was talking about was bitching, got what he deserved. Except he's not factually wrong, in no raid test above 2 minutes did demo ever perform 33% better then they should have, and if you want to say they did prove me wrong. Seems like he's taken a class that was slightly above middle of the pack and then put them down to tank dps. I really need to find that fucking quote about "jaw-dropping mage dps at level 70" that resulted in the class more or less not being viable for raiding in t6 content. HAHAHA. I remember their JAW DROPPING dps. Kalgan wrote:
I know that many of you are feeling like mages will be a "nerfed" class in the expansion. However, I think it's worth pointing out that in all of the testing we've done so far, the mage has been the clear-cut top damage class in the expansion at level 70, even against single targets (hopefully not too much so). In test after test, our jaws are consistently dropping at the sheer damage output we've seen from the mage at level 70, so I do think that some of the panic here is unwarranted. These results are directly what have led to some of the changes such as the one to elemental precision. Damage = zomg. I remember being completely stomped on the damage meters by Warlocks, Hunters, Shadow Priests, Rogues, Warriors, Shamans, Paladins... Bear Druids... it was awful. I remember sitting outside of Sunwell on my mage making muffins for my guild while levelling an alt...
So long as you knew your place was in the kitchen outside the raid, while the breadmakers warlocks were doing the job everything is ok.
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On September 12 2014 21:37 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 21:34 Teoita wrote:On September 12 2014 21:28 Serejai wrote:On September 12 2014 21:04 Teoita wrote:Then again, people are morons and scrubs bitching on twitter about balance way more so. Dealing with that kind of stupidity every day must be really taxing, even modding just TL sometimes makes me want to start banning entire threads... On September 12 2014 21:03 bo1b wrote:On September 12 2014 20:22 deth2munkies wrote:On September 12 2014 20:17 bo1b wrote:
"Demo just lost 33% dps. Surely in no magical fairy land could anyone ever think that demo is overperforming by 33%. It was." - Celastion
Why is some smug fuckwit in charge of balancing? That communication is horrible. Someone who was factually wrong and had no idea what he was talking about was bitching, got what he deserved. Except he's not factually wrong, in no raid test above 2 minutes did demo ever perform 33% better then they should have, and if you want to say they did prove me wrong. Seems like he's taken a class that was slightly above middle of the pack and then put them down to tank dps. I really need to find that fucking quote about "jaw-dropping mage dps at level 70" that resulted in the class more or less not being viable for raiding in t6 content. HAHAHA. I remember their JAW DROPPING dps. Kalgan wrote:
I know that many of you are feeling like mages will be a "nerfed" class in the expansion. However, I think it's worth pointing out that in all of the testing we've done so far, the mage has been the clear-cut top damage class in the expansion at level 70, even against single targets (hopefully not too much so). In test after test, our jaws are consistently dropping at the sheer damage output we've seen from the mage at level 70, so I do think that some of the panic here is unwarranted. These results are directly what have led to some of the changes such as the one to elemental precision. Damage = zomg. I remember being completely stomped on the damage meters by Warlocks, Hunters, Shadow Priests, Rogues, Warriors, Shamans, Paladins... Bear Druids... it was awful. I remember sitting outside of Sunwell on my mage making muffins for my guild while levelling an alt... So long as you knew your place was in the kitchen outside the raid, while the breadmakers warlocks were doing the job everything is ok.
See, all of a sudden i feel less sympathy for you guys.
TO THE GROUND BABY
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On September 12 2014 21:37 Teoita wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 21:37 bo1b wrote:On September 12 2014 21:34 Teoita wrote:On September 12 2014 21:28 Serejai wrote:On September 12 2014 21:04 Teoita wrote:Then again, people are morons and scrubs bitching on twitter about balance way more so. Dealing with that kind of stupidity every day must be really taxing, even modding just TL sometimes makes me want to start banning entire threads... On September 12 2014 21:03 bo1b wrote:On September 12 2014 20:22 deth2munkies wrote:On September 12 2014 20:17 bo1b wrote:
"Demo just lost 33% dps. Surely in no magical fairy land could anyone ever think that demo is overperforming by 33%. It was." - Celastion
Why is some smug fuckwit in charge of balancing? That communication is horrible. Someone who was factually wrong and had no idea what he was talking about was bitching, got what he deserved. Except he's not factually wrong, in no raid test above 2 minutes did demo ever perform 33% better then they should have, and if you want to say they did prove me wrong. Seems like he's taken a class that was slightly above middle of the pack and then put them down to tank dps. I really need to find that fucking quote about "jaw-dropping mage dps at level 70" that resulted in the class more or less not being viable for raiding in t6 content. HAHAHA. I remember their JAW DROPPING dps. Kalgan wrote:
I know that many of you are feeling like mages will be a "nerfed" class in the expansion. However, I think it's worth pointing out that in all of the testing we've done so far, the mage has been the clear-cut top damage class in the expansion at level 70, even against single targets (hopefully not too much so). In test after test, our jaws are consistently dropping at the sheer damage output we've seen from the mage at level 70, so I do think that some of the panic here is unwarranted. These results are directly what have led to some of the changes such as the one to elemental precision. Damage = zomg. I remember being completely stomped on the damage meters by Warlocks, Hunters, Shadow Priests, Rogues, Warriors, Shamans, Paladins... Bear Druids... it was awful. I remember sitting outside of Sunwell on my mage making muffins for my guild while levelling an alt... So long as you knew your place was in the kitchen outside the raid, while the breadmakers warlocks were doing the job everything is ok. See, all of a sudden i feel less sympathy for you guys. TO THE GROUND BABY
We will rise, stronger then ever. Then you'll be sorry.
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I'll risk it. Warlock tears are too delicious to pass up.
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Nah I think it's good, blizzard will soon realise a mages place is making muffins as a snack again.
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On September 12 2014 21:36 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2014 21:31 Serejai wrote:On September 12 2014 21:28 Mikau wrote:On September 12 2014 20:58 Serejai wrote:
It's really nothing new. That's how Blizzard as a company has operated for nearly a decade now; lie to customers, talk down to them, and the biggest thing that still pisses me off is how they cover up all of their mistakes. To this day they still deny hacks/dupes in WoW, and in most cases will ban you from the forums if you question them about it. It's quite sickening.
If recent years have shown us anything it's that Blizzard outright encourages that kind of behavior from their team members. One great example of this is Jay Wilson, and how he was promoted to a lead position on Titan for having a public meltdown over Diablo III. Tseric was another great example from back in the day, where he would literally go around belittling customers on the forums. I guess you've never played Ubisoft or EA games? I have, but this is a thread about World of Warcraft. Just because other companies are awful doesn't mean it's acceptable for Blizzard to go that route as well. You won't see me posting that in an EA/Ubisoft thread because, well, pretty much everyone already knows and accepts how terrible those companies are. The issue with Blizzard is that they are just as bad but for some reason people constantly defend them like they are the holy grail of gaming. Ten years ago? Yeah, Blizzard was amazing. Time to put down the nostalgia glasses, though; they haven't been the same company for a long while. The fact that they communicate with their players at all puts them way above most big game designers. I'm not saying Blizzard hasn't gotten worse compared to 10 years ago but they're still head and shoulders above other big companies. A little perspective in this is all I'm advocating.
While it's true they communicate better than other companies, being less bad is still not a good thing.
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At least neither of you is a Moonkin. You spend 8 years being useless, finally become competitive for the last two, and then Blizzard decides to gut you for the next expansion.
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I'm just sad that I didn't get to try arms on the beta before it was nerfed. 600% weapon damage strikes sounded like fun.
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On September 12 2014 21:59 Serejai wrote:
At least neither of you is a Moonkin. You spend 8 years being useless, finally become competitive for the last two, and then Blizzard decides to gut you for the next expansion.
Sounds like demo? Maybe shadowbolt/sucubus sac is demo?
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On September 12 2014 21:59 Serejai wrote:
At least neither of you is a Moonkin. You spend 8 years being useless, finally become competitive for the last two, and then Blizzard decides to gut you for the next expansion.
Moonkin here. Although I'm a bit worried about the WoD Druid changes (especially the annoying automatic travel form, ugh), at least one of the three other specs is bound to be somewhat viable. The current moonkin rotation does get stale after a while though, so looking forward to some changes to spice things up.
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