• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 19:52
CET 01:52
KST 09:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT28Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles0Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0243LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2
StarCraft 2
General
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles
Tourneys
StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament How do the "codes" work in GSL?
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare Mutation # 512 Overclocked
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 TvZ is the most complete match up CasterMuse Youtube A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [LIVE] [S:21] ASL Season Open Day 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread New broswer game : STG-World
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Mexico's Drug War Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here!
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1655 users

[wow] Warlords of Draenor - Page 152

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 150 151 152 153 154 591 Next
Add yourself to the player list
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 06 2014 11:32 GMT
#3021
The chaos bolt dot is affected by pandemic, so unless you have 14k haste or are using backdraft to cast them it shouldn't be an issue. Don't cast 3 in a row though.
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
September 06 2014 11:36 GMT
#3022
Alright, so normal raids can still be done X-realm? Flex as well then I take it, and queue for LFR/dungeons together? Thanks mate
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-06 12:44:14
September 06 2014 12:44 GMT
#3023
On September 06 2014 20:36 Catch]22 wrote:
Alright, so normal raids can still be done X-realm? Flex as well then I take it, and queue for LFR/dungeons together? Thanks mate


Everything except heroic raids can be done xrealm.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
September 06 2014 22:41 GMT
#3024
Fuck, can anyone please help me become better at balance druid? I follow icy-veins and noxxic guides, and have watched youtube-vids. I try to follow that, but I still get 50k dps. I'm ilvl 535.
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
September 06 2014 23:13 GMT
#3025
On September 07 2014 07:41 Arnstein wrote:
Fuck, can anyone please help me become better at balance druid? I follow icy-veins and noxxic guides, and have watched youtube-vids. I try to follow that, but I still get 50k dps. I'm ilvl 535.


Get SoO trinkets and a legendary cloak and watch your DPS almost double. Beyond that I can't help you because you're not telling me what you're doing.
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
September 07 2014 00:54 GMT
#3026
Step 1: stop using noxxic and icy veins. Those are for people doing LFR and you shouldn't expect above average results if those are your go to resources.

If you're doing 50k with 535 your entire rotation is wrong. I pull that much in Challenge mode gear
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24754 Posts
September 07 2014 01:41 GMT
#3027
Serejai you didn't offer any suggestions for what to do... just what not to do. How is that helpful lol
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 07 2014 04:02 GMT
#3028
On September 07 2014 10:41 micronesia wrote:
Serejai you didn't offer any suggestions for what to do... just what not to do. How is that helpful lol


You only sound smart when you do that in dota. :p
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 07 2014 04:48 GMT
#3029
If you're a warlock you can go to icy veins forums and feel confident about results, since thats probably the warlock community hub right there.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-07 06:24:13
September 07 2014 06:24 GMT
#3030
On September 07 2014 09:54 Serejai wrote:
Step 1: stop using noxxic and icy veins. Those are for people doing LFR and you shouldn't expect above average results if those are your go to resources.

If you're doing 50k with 535 your entire rotation is wrong. I pull that much in Challenge mode gear


I start with doing celestial communion till I'm one from lunar eclipse. Then I do a starfall on the target, then wrath to get in lunar eclipse, then starsurge. Then I do moonfire and sunfire, and starsurge when the cooldown is done(when criting). When I get to the middle I do celestial communication and do starfall again, then moonfire and sunfire(still starsurge when criting), and when I get to solar eclipse, I continue. After this, since celestial communication is on cooldown, I cast wrath a lot to hurry to the other side(depending on the situation, I stay in solar if there's a lot of aoe, hurry to lunar if single target). And then I continue like this. What should I do?
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
September 07 2014 10:42 GMT
#3031
On September 07 2014 15:24 Arnstein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2014 09:54 Serejai wrote:
Step 1: stop using noxxic and icy veins. Those are for people doing LFR and you shouldn't expect above average results if those are your go to resources.

If you're doing 50k with 535 your entire rotation is wrong. I pull that much in Challenge mode gear


I start with doing celestial communion till I'm one from lunar eclipse. Then I do a starfall on the target, then wrath to get in lunar eclipse, then starsurge. Then I do moonfire and sunfire, and starsurge when the cooldown is done(when criting). When I get to the middle I do celestial communication and do starfall again, then moonfire and sunfire(still starsurge when criting), and when I get to solar eclipse, I continue. After this, since celestial communication is on cooldown, I cast wrath a lot to hurry to the other side(depending on the situation, I stay in solar if there's a lot of aoe, hurry to lunar if single target). And then I continue like this. What should I do?


It might be better if you link your armory. You have a general idea from what I gather, perhaps it's somewhere at a core level (like glyphs/talents/gems and enchants).
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-07 10:53:29
September 07 2014 10:52 GMT
#3032
Never, ever use Celestial Communion in combat. Just keep attacking, keep both DoTs up (that's like 75% of your dps) and reapply them right before you fall out of the relevant eclipse. Refresh Starfall every time you hit lunar (including right after it ends at the beginning). You should have Incarnation and be pre-potting (pop a Potion of the Jade serpent 1 second before pull), and you should pop Incarnation as soon as you hit your first Lunar Eclipse. Use Celestial Alignment while you have Incarnation active and you fall out of eclipse. refresh both DoTs during celestial alignment and use Starfall again during Celestial Alignment.

And most important: Cancel your spellcasts to use Starsurge procs.
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
September 07 2014 12:02 GMT
#3033
On September 07 2014 10:41 micronesia wrote:
Serejai you didn't offer any suggestions for what to do... just what not to do. How is that helpful lol


Too hard to be helpful on my phone! Maybe when I get home later :o
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
September 07 2014 12:34 GMT
#3034
Ok so few things. First off, dots aren't going to be 75% of your DPS like deth said (unless it's on gimmick fights like protectors or stone guards). Bad deth2munkies. But like he said you shouldn't ever use CC during combat; only before the pull to get ready. I'm not going to bother talking about the rest of your rotation because it's pointless without seeing a combat parse, so you should do that first. Doesn't have to be a raid boss; just make an account on warcraftlogs.com, download the client, and then run 2-3 10 minute fights against a target dummy. You can also run Simcraft to get a general idea of where you should be on your own. Run your druid and run my druid and see what the difference is.

Anyway, here's a parse from literally the day I hit level 90 so my damage and rotation should be almost the same as yours.

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Py7N6ZDW3Ct8RvXT#type=damage-done&source=16&fight=4

So basically you should be able to pull 100k minimum on Norushen in your gear. Starsurge and Starfire should always be your top damage abilities by a very noticeable amount. Can't really say anything else until you have some parses, though.

More than likely you should be stacking nothing but crit on your gems/enchants/reforges. At your ilvl you should have the first haste breakpoint but probably would have trouble hitting the GCD breakpoint, so it's better to just go straight crit. Those guides you read aren't going to tell you this because they are based off default simulation stats and crit doesn't do well on paper, but in a real fight it's far better than haste is at your ilvl. Again, need a parse (and armory link) to be certain though.

Also don't bother with AOE. Just don't. Moonkin AOE is terrible and more than likely you have other specs in your raid that can handle the AOE far more efficiently than you can. Just stick to the boss and dotting up adds and let the other specs handle any AOE situations. Thus, you shouldn't worry about trying to stay in Solar for any reason, either. Again, this is something guides will tell you to do but in real raids there hasn't been a single fight this expansion where my AOE was necessary other than that boss with all the adds in Heart of Fear.
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-07 13:37:47
September 07 2014 13:36 GMT
#3035
That was a clever lie to emphasize the importance of keeping DoTs up, way to go Serejai.

Oh, and just FYI, you're going to be way the fuck behind on Garrosh (P1) and Sha of Pride simply because everyone else gets to AoE pad their numbers. Don't let them bitch you out too hard.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
September 07 2014 14:27 GMT
#3036
Here's my armory:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/auchindoun/Soronondo/simple

I'll check out warcraftlogs later(don't have time right now)
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
September 07 2014 14:40 GMT
#3037
On September 07 2014 23:27 Arnstein wrote:
Here's my armory:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/auchindoun/Soronondo/simple

I'll check out warcraftlogs later(don't have time right now)


8 unenchanted items
1 empty socket in 1 item
Missing Living Steel Belt Buckle

Fix this.

You also have a mix between int/crit and int/haste gems. Unless you're trying to hit a break point you should probably just go full int in your red slots (not really a reason to be orange otherwise.)

But most importantly, fix those things up there.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
September 07 2014 15:13 GMT
#3038
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/stormreaver/Serejai/advanced

Note that this char is the same ilvl but has 10% more crit than you (which is where your DPS comes from). You should be gemmed, enchanted, and reforged like this (although you still need to adjust for your specific gear). If you are not a JC you can go straight crit and ignore int gems entirely unless the socket bonus is good. 1 crit > 2 int. Reforge everything into crit and out of hit, mastery, haste in that order unless you can hit the GCD cap. If you can go haste first, then crit after.
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
September 07 2014 16:26 GMT
#3039
On September 08 2014 00:13 Serejai wrote:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/stormreaver/Serejai/advanced

Note that this char is the same ilvl but has 10% more crit than you (which is where your DPS comes from). You should be gemmed, enchanted, and reforged like this (although you still need to adjust for your specific gear). If you are not a JC you can go straight crit and ignore int gems entirely unless the socket bonus is good. 1 crit > 2 int. Reforge everything into crit and out of hit, mastery, haste in that order unless you can hit the GCD cap. If you can go haste first, then crit after.

I've been out of the loop for a while but is it common for classes to NOT prioritize the hit cap in the current version of the game? The hit cap was a crazy realization for me waaaayy back in the day and I've never looked back since, but I thought that had remained true. Is boomkin an exception or is there a lot of emphasis on one stat like crit (or whatever) above all, even when you aren't capped yet.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 07 2014 16:30 GMT
#3040
On September 07 2014 13:48 bo1b wrote:
If you're a warlock you can go to icy veins forums and feel confident about results, since thats probably the warlock community hub right there.


That's what I thought too. There used to be a really smart guy on MMO Champ named Gherkin but he's long gone.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Prev 1 150 151 152 153 154 591 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft273
RuFF_SC2 150
CosmosSc2 100
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 739
League of Legends
tarik_tv4089
Counter-Strike
FalleN 2044
taco 640
Other Games
summit1g12200
shahzam671
C9.Mang0305
Maynarde111
Livibee45
Mew2King39
ViBE38
minikerr6
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick978
Counter-Strike
PGL450
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 43
• davetesta41
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21094
Other Games
• imaqtpie1460
• Shiphtur192
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
8m
CasterMuse Showmatch
8h 8m
Light vs Queen
WardiTV Winter Champion…
11h 8m
OSC
23h 8m
The PondCast
1d 9h
Replay Cast
1d 23h
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
SC Evo Complete
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-22
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.