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Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
August 31 2014 18:53 GMT
#2961
On September 01 2014 01:42 bo1b wrote:
Spriests aren't that bad at top end though on warcraft logs when the fights are 2 minutes long. They even beat destro, therefore shadow priests are better then destro warlocks in pve progression.


In real progression during MoP, when everybody was under-geared relative to the content, Spriests were some of the worst single target DPS. This is where class balance actually matters, not when everyone is max-geared and just farming content.

I mean, yeah, if your raid is one-shotting everything under 2 minutes, which means you're starting with 3 orbs at the beginning of every fight, sure, Spriest burst is pretty insane. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen too often during progression.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 31 2014 19:13 GMT
#2962
On September 01 2014 03:53 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2014 01:42 bo1b wrote:
Spriests aren't that bad at top end though on warcraft logs when the fights are 2 minutes long. They even beat destro, therefore shadow priests are better then destro warlocks in pve progression.


In real progression during MoP, when everybody was under-geared relative to the content, Spriests were some of the worst single target DPS. This is where class balance actually matters, not when everyone is max-geared and just farming content.

I mean, yeah, if your raid is one-shotting everything under 2 minutes, which means you're starting with 3 orbs at the beginning of every fight, sure, Spriest burst is pretty insane. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen too often during progression.

I know, thats why I made the comparison to destro with stupid statement regarding progression lol.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
August 31 2014 19:17 GMT
#2963
Speaking of Destro, it's hilarious how bad it is when you don't have SoO trinkets.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
September 02 2014 04:21 GMT
#2964
Eh, there are worse specs for low gear levels. You can do 130kish dps at ~500 ilvl, 250k by the time your 550. Kind of plateaus there though in comparison to other specs which really take off with gear. Doesn't really matter I guess if the base line is so much higher then the others though I suppose.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 03 2014 01:12 GMT
#2965
Haven't played in about 18 months. Is there any single player crap to do before the expansion comes out? Like do you help Garrosh escape?
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
September 03 2014 01:57 GMT
#2966
On September 03 2014 10:12 Jerubaal wrote:
Haven't played in about 18 months. Is there any single player crap to do before the expansion comes out? Like do you help Garrosh escape?


Just the usual things you do in WoW before a new expansion comes out. And no you don't help Garrosh escape, thats in the book War Crimes.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
September 03 2014 02:17 GMT
#2967
Fuck WoW books and fuck Christie Golden (I'm sure she's a lovely person).
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
dudeman001
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2412 Posts
September 03 2014 03:08 GMT
#2968
[image loading]


Having left WoW, I've never felt a stronger subliminal message than this one.
Sup.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
September 03 2014 03:09 GMT
#2969
Lmfao thats great
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-03 06:22:27
September 03 2014 06:21 GMT
#2970
On September 01 2014 04:17 deth2munkies wrote:
Speaking of Destro, it's hilarious how bad it is when you don't have SoO trinkets.


SoO trinkets are nuts, I've seen a lot of heroic-geared tanks run the DPS trinket from Thok, healing trinket from Sha, etc.

edit: And that Fallen Protectors tank trinket that makes solo tanking phase 2 of Heroic Malk a joke
ffxiv enjoyer
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
September 03 2014 07:56 GMT
#2971
On September 03 2014 11:17 Jerubaal wrote:
Fuck WoW books and fuck Christie Golden (I'm sure she's a lovely person).

Her books are nowhere near as bad as Knaak's, for the record!
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
September 03 2014 15:16 GMT
#2972
On September 03 2014 16:56 Dismay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2014 11:17 Jerubaal wrote:
Fuck WoW books and fuck Christie Golden (I'm sure she's a lovely person).

Her books are nowhere near as bad as Knaak's, for the record!

That's not saying much though :p
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
September 03 2014 15:37 GMT
#2973
I don't know who either of those people are but they can't be worse at writing than Metzen.
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
September 03 2014 15:38 GMT
#2974
Christie Golden is a pretty awful writer.

Read "Rise of the Lich King" and count the number of times you see any form of the word "grin" used on every page, you'll see.
I like words.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 03 2014 15:41 GMT
#2975
Eh, I only read her SC2 stuff. Devil's Due was pretty godawful, but aside from Ethan Stewart, the Dark Templar trilogy was pretty good.
It's your boy Guzma!
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
September 03 2014 17:11 GMT
#2976
Knaak's books set a new standard for awful. Nothing else comes close.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
September 03 2014 18:43 GMT
#2977
I'm willing to bet money that most of the people criticizing the books have never actually read them.

Even so, I'm more inclined to give licensed authors a break when they turn out subpar books because they're working within a rigid framework where each character has already been defined and the story arc has already been set and you're just brought in to make it wordy. Pretty much a recipe for disaster.
FromShouri
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States862 Posts
September 03 2014 19:18 GMT
#2978
On September 04 2014 03:43 deth2munkies wrote:
I'm willing to bet money that most of the people criticizing the books have never actually read them.

Even so, I'm more inclined to give licensed authors a break when they turn out subpar books because they're working within a rigid framework where each character has already been defined and the story arc has already been set and you're just brought in to make it wordy. Pretty much a recipe for disaster.


Doesn't that mean their job is mostly already done..............
Limited Edition, lets do some simple addition, $50 for a T-Shirt is just some ignorant bitch shit.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
September 03 2014 19:59 GMT
#2979
On September 04 2014 04:18 FromShouri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 03:43 deth2munkies wrote:
I'm willing to bet money that most of the people criticizing the books have never actually read them.

Even so, I'm more inclined to give licensed authors a break when they turn out subpar books because they're working within a rigid framework where each character has already been defined and the story arc has already been set and you're just brought in to make it wordy. Pretty much a recipe for disaster.


Doesn't that mean their job is mostly already done..............


Believe it or not, it's actually harder because you're not writing what you want to write. In creative writing, half of the fun is the characters and story organically growing as you write within a loose framework. When the characters are already rigidly defined, you can't give them more depth without it being approved by committee, and you're stuck with cliche piled on cliche so that the characters stay static.
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
September 03 2014 20:31 GMT
#2980
Slowly getting excited about this. Gonna revive my old Vanilla-Naxx main... Holy/Ret time!
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