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On June 14 2013 06:33 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:30 jinorazi wrote:
i'm completely fine with always online and it does have its goods, the problem is you can't opt out.
i mean shit, does your computer games become completely useless without internet?
you can still play vs ai or something, watch replays...but ms is saying "nope, no internet for 24 hours = no game"
why couldnt they just say leave it online for full experience but you can unplug it if you'd like. why have this requirement? only thing i can think of is the little piracy scene that exists. There is no benefit to always online unless literally everyone in the world has access to internet consistently. There is not a single thing positive about forcing consumers to stay online to use your product, thus limiting Eastern Europe, the entirety of Asia (including Japan), the entirety of the Middle East, the entirety of Africa, and most of Central America and South of America from using your product. As for why they're doing it, they want you to make sure you Kinect is connected to the server so it can transfer ad data to them. It's a bit tin foily but I'm pretty sure they're limiting access to Western European countries and North America because they want to see how the flow of data will be and have some early testing in that regard.
It's incredibly tin-foily.
We take it very seriously. We aren’t using Kinect to snoop on anybody at all. We listen for the word ‘Xbox on’ and then switch on the machine, but we don’t transmit personal data in any way, shape or form that could be personally identifiable to you, unless you explicitly opt into that.
If you want privacy, we’ll give you modes that ensure your privacy. We will have something similar for the Kinect with Xbox One. The system is designed to have Kinect be an integral part of the experience. It’s not the case where you’ll be able to remove the camera altogether. But you’ll be able to put the system in modes where you can be completely secure about the fact that the camera is off and can’t see you.
Video game consoles are luxury goods purchased by people with a sufficiently large disposable income. Those people are mainly found in the EU, the US and some parts of east Asia. Consoles are still illegal in China, South-Korea has its PC Bangs and Japan has Sony. This limits microsoft to the EU and the US. This is reflected in the fact that the Xbone won't be released in japan until late 2014.
And again, you don't have to stay online, you just have to connect once every 24 hours, meaning that you can probably play offline for 23 hours and 59 minutes each day.
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On June 14 2013 06:43 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:41 Ljas wrote:On June 14 2013 06:38 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 06:37 Ljas wrote:On June 14 2013 06:36 jinorazi wrote:
i do see benefit in always online, automatic updates so it updates on its own and not when i turn it on to play.
pre-orders automatically being installed, cloud that can be synced for music or whatever, etc.
You can do all those things whenever the user connects to the server, without forcing him to be online all the time. "but the option to simply turn it off should be there." It still doesn't make the first paragraph true. Those are not benefits of always online, they're just benefits of having an internet connection of any sort. but only possible if its always online, or during the time period that i'm not using the device, so it doesnt get in the way when i'm trying to play a game or watch movies. i always get annoyed when i try to play a game and it says "game must be updated". so, always online would help in this matter.
So throw in an option to check for updates when you turn off the console and have it automatically shut down when updates are done installing? A 24 hour online check adds absolutely zero value to the consumer and provides no functionality that couldn't exist already simply by having internet.
Also, why can't you download/install updates while you're playing a game or watching a movie? Background P2P downloads have been a thing for quite a while.
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On June 14 2013 06:16 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 05:53 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:43 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 05:40 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:27 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:21 Masheyoon wrote:[spoiler] ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ftyPCdN.jpg) I hope M$ likes where you live... The price issue is accurate and a large blow to Xbox One. PS4 allows and leaves the decision of DRM up to third party developers. Does the Kinect watch you? Take the tinfoil hat off. Its no different than a cell phone. Requires internet. True and that is bad. Features that probably wont work? Lol, pathetic reach. If your internet dies its useless? See ONCE A DAY check in. And I would have never guess there were so many people with such bad internet to where they couldn't check in every 24 hours but still have enough internet to troll forums and complain about not having internet. Too funny. If I transport it to India? Hahaha, the comedy of the internet rage crowd is an amazing cross between funny and pitiful. Did you just make a down to earth analysis of that parody picture ? one of must defend his king against all atrocities I have no stock in MS. I would like to know more about it thought. The complaints being thrown arent really helping any discussion at all. They are just complaints from the rage train. Bring some substance to the discussion. If you think the Kinect is plotting your assassination or if you live on the Himalayas with no internet connection then MS has pretty much said they don't care about you. That sucks but its not worth discussing really. Its just pretty annoying to have to sift through all of the ridiculous comments just to find something substantive in this thread. I.E. whether cloud processing will actually be useful, or what their used game policy actually is and how it will affect things. What substance ? People are pissed about always online and sharing restrictions imposed by MS. There's nothing else to say about it but make jokes. There are no advantages to discuss about from a consumer perspective. MS argues that its because they want us to experience the future or some PR crap, but the fact is that these restrictions are mandatory. If the online experience is part of a great future, sure do advertises your online features; just do not make it mandatory to be online with 24h checks and cover that up under "we have a vision of the future". A good online experience is not synonym of restrictions to offline. In the end though, yeah you're right: if someone's not happy with it, there's nothing to do but go PS4 (or another). Still let us ridicule what most of us consider a dumb decisions followed by pathetic PR. Anyway in the end I just find it funny more than enraging; but that may be because I'm no Xb fan. If I were, and had hoped Xbone would be a great successor to X360 maybe I'd be more angry of the disappointment.
This is the best Anti Xbox post I have seen all day.
Yes having to check in every 24 hours is bad. Yes it leaves a lot of people out. The thing is, what is the point in discussing it particularly in an Xbox One thread? Start a thread titled "Xbone sucks" and go to town. But there is nothing to be done about the 24 hour check in. There is no way to convince someone that doesn't have internet to buy an Xbox because it would be dumb. But this relentless bashing is as pointless as someone from Kyrgyzstan going to a surfing enthusiast site and complaining that he's left out because he doesn't have access to an ocean.
Xbox One requires users to have daily internet access, if you dont have daily internet access then you would be dumb to buy an Xbox one. No wiggle room there. Its not the product for you if you don't have access to the internet daily.
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On June 14 2013 06:46 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:43 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 06:41 Ljas wrote:On June 14 2013 06:38 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 06:37 Ljas wrote:On June 14 2013 06:36 jinorazi wrote:
i do see benefit in always online, automatic updates so it updates on its own and not when i turn it on to play.
pre-orders automatically being installed, cloud that can be synced for music or whatever, etc.
You can do all those things whenever the user connects to the server, without forcing him to be online all the time. "but the option to simply turn it off should be there." It still doesn't make the first paragraph true. Those are not benefits of always online, they're just benefits of having an internet connection of any sort. but only possible if its always online, or during the time period that i'm not using the device, so it doesnt get in the way when i'm trying to play a game or watch movies. i always get annoyed when i try to play a game and it says "game must be updated". so, always online would help in this matter. So throw in an option to check for updates when you turn off the console and have it automatically shut down when updates are done installing? A 24 hour online check adds absolutely zero value to the consumer and provides no functionality that couldn't exist already simply by having internet. Also, why can't you download/install updates while you're playing a game or watching a movie? Background P2P downloads have been a thing for quite a while.
automatic update is only a small portion of an example of how this always online can be implemented. and this xbone's requirement for always online is what i've been saying i'm against but i see the benefit of "always online" WITHOUT requirement.
why do i feel like you're talking to me like i'm a xbox supporter o.O
(i'm not)
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On June 14 2013 06:48 takingbackoj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:16 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:53 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:43 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 05:40 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:27 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:21 Masheyoon wrote:[spoiler] I hope M$ likes where you live... The price issue is accurate and a large blow to Xbox One. PS4 allows and leaves the decision of DRM up to third party developers. Does the Kinect watch you? Take the tinfoil hat off. Its no different than a cell phone. Requires internet. True and that is bad. Features that probably wont work? Lol, pathetic reach. If your internet dies its useless? See ONCE A DAY check in. And I would have never guess there were so many people with such bad internet to where they couldn't check in every 24 hours but still have enough internet to troll forums and complain about not having internet. Too funny. If I transport it to India? Hahaha, the comedy of the internet rage crowd is an amazing cross between funny and pitiful. Did you just make a down to earth analysis of that parody picture ? one of must defend his king against all atrocities I have no stock in MS. I would like to know more about it thought. The complaints being thrown arent really helping any discussion at all. They are just complaints from the rage train. Bring some substance to the discussion. If you think the Kinect is plotting your assassination or if you live on the Himalayas with no internet connection then MS has pretty much said they don't care about you. That sucks but its not worth discussing really. Its just pretty annoying to have to sift through all of the ridiculous comments just to find something substantive in this thread. I.E. whether cloud processing will actually be useful, or what their used game policy actually is and how it will affect things. What substance ? People are pissed about always online and sharing restrictions imposed by MS. There's nothing else to say about it but make jokes. There are no advantages to discuss about from a consumer perspective. MS argues that its because they want us to experience the future or some PR crap, but the fact is that these restrictions are mandatory. If the online experience is part of a great future, sure do advertises your online features; just do not make it mandatory to be online with 24h checks and cover that up under "we have a vision of the future". A good online experience is not synonym of restrictions to offline. In the end though, yeah you're right: if someone's not happy with it, there's nothing to do but go PS4 (or another). Still let us ridicule what most of us consider a dumb decisions followed by pathetic PR. Anyway in the end I just find it funny more than enraging; but that may be because I'm no Xb fan. If I were, and had hoped Xbone would be a great successor to X360 maybe I'd be more angry of the disappointment. This is the best Anti Xbox post I have seen all day. Yes having to check in every 24 hours is bad. Yes it leaves a lot of people out. The thing is, what is the point in discussing it particularly in an Xbox One thread? Start a thread titled "Xbone sucks" and go to town. But there is nothing to be done about the 24 hour check in. There is no way to convince someone that doesn't have internet to buy an Xbox because it would be dumb. But this relentless bashing is as pointless as someone from Kyrgyzstan going to a surfing enthusiast site and complaining that he's left out because he doesn't have access to an ocean. Xbox One requires users to have daily internet access, if you dont have daily internet access then you would be dumb to buy an Xbox one. No wiggle room there. Its not the product for you if you don't have access to the internet daily.
I dont think that mods would be too happy with a thread that is purely to state all of the negative things about xbone. This is an xbone discussion thread, the good and bad are discussed in it. If you cant handle reading the bad, then dont.
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On June 14 2013 06:46 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:33 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 06:30 jinorazi wrote:
i'm completely fine with always online and it does have its goods, the problem is you can't opt out.
i mean shit, does your computer games become completely useless without internet?
you can still play vs ai or something, watch replays...but ms is saying "nope, no internet for 24 hours = no game"
why couldnt they just say leave it online for full experience but you can unplug it if you'd like. why have this requirement? only thing i can think of is the little piracy scene that exists. There is no benefit to always online unless literally everyone in the world has access to internet consistently. There is not a single thing positive about forcing consumers to stay online to use your product, thus limiting Eastern Europe, the entirety of Asia (including Japan), the entirety of the Middle East, the entirety of Africa, and most of Central America and South of America from using your product. As for why they're doing it, they want you to make sure you Kinect is connected to the server so it can transfer ad data to them. It's a bit tin foily but I'm pretty sure they're limiting access to Western European countries and North America because they want to see how the flow of data will be and have some early testing in that regard. It's incredibly tin-foily. Show nested quote +We take it very seriously. We aren’t using Kinect to snoop on anybody at all. We listen for the word ‘Xbox on’ and then switch on the machine, but we don’t transmit personal data in any way, shape or form that could be personally identifiable to you, unless you explicitly opt into that. Show nested quote +If you want privacy, we’ll give you modes that ensure your privacy. We will have something similar for the Kinect with Xbox One. The system is designed to have Kinect be an integral part of the experience. It’s not the case where you’ll be able to remove the camera altogether. But you’ll be able to put the system in modes where you can be completely secure about the fact that the camera is off and can’t see you. Video game consoles are luxury goods purchased by people with a sufficiently large disposable income. Those people are mainly found in the EU, the US and some parts of east Asia. Consoles are still illegal in China, South-Korea has its PC Bangs and Japan has Sony. This limits microsoft to the EU and the US. This is reflected in the fact that the Xbone won't be released in japan until late 2014. And again, you don't have to stay online, you just have to connect once every 24 hours, meaning that you can probably play offline for 23 hours and 59 minutes each day.
Oh my god did you actually just say that Microsoft isn't releasing the Xbox One in Eastern Europe, the entirety of Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Indonesia, South America, and Central America because they're "too poor"?
You do realize Eastern Europe is part of the EU right? And that Portugal is a Western European nation, right? This is too rich to believe someone is actually saying this.
Oh my fucking lord.
The point isn't that you can play 23 hours and 59 minutes offline each day, the point is that there's no god damn point to having that 24 hour authentication at ALL other than forcing you to keep your Kinect connected so it can spy on you. The point isn't that you can play 23 hours and 59 minutes, the point is if you can't connect to their servers, even if you perfectly and legitimately purchase an Xbox One and set up an account, if you do not live in any of those countries you are not allowed to play an Xbox One. The console simply won't allow you.
How in the everliving Christ are you justifying this?
It's not even refusing to sell in those countries. If they buy it in another country and import it to themselves, it still won't freaking work because it can't connect to Microsoft's servers. That's absolutely retarded. This isn't me tin foiling, this is explicitly stated by Microsoft.
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On June 14 2013 06:50 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:46 Klondikebar wrote:On June 14 2013 06:43 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 06:41 Ljas wrote:On June 14 2013 06:38 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 06:37 Ljas wrote:On June 14 2013 06:36 jinorazi wrote:
i do see benefit in always online, automatic updates so it updates on its own and not when i turn it on to play.
pre-orders automatically being installed, cloud that can be synced for music or whatever, etc.
You can do all those things whenever the user connects to the server, without forcing him to be online all the time. "but the option to simply turn it off should be there." It still doesn't make the first paragraph true. Those are not benefits of always online, they're just benefits of having an internet connection of any sort. but only possible if its always online, or during the time period that i'm not using the device, so it doesnt get in the way when i'm trying to play a game or watch movies. i always get annoyed when i try to play a game and it says "game must be updated". so, always online would help in this matter. So throw in an option to check for updates when you turn off the console and have it automatically shut down when updates are done installing? A 24 hour online check adds absolutely zero value to the consumer and provides no functionality that couldn't exist already simply by having internet. Also, why can't you download/install updates while you're playing a game or watching a movie? Background P2P downloads have been a thing for quite a while. automatic update is only a small portion of an example of how this always online can be implemented. and this xbone's requirement for always online is what i've been saying i'm against but i see the benefit of "always online" WITHOUT requirement. why do i feel like you're talking to me like i'm a xbox supporter o.O (i'm not)
But then like...I don't understand what you're saying. If "always online" isn't a requirement then it's not "always online" it's just "online whenever the console owner wants to be online" which is like...exactly what old consoles had and the exact opposite of what microsoft is doing.
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On June 14 2013 06:53 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:50 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 06:46 Klondikebar wrote:On June 14 2013 06:43 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 06:41 Ljas wrote:On June 14 2013 06:38 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 06:37 Ljas wrote:On June 14 2013 06:36 jinorazi wrote:
i do see benefit in always online, automatic updates so it updates on its own and not when i turn it on to play.
pre-orders automatically being installed, cloud that can be synced for music or whatever, etc.
You can do all those things whenever the user connects to the server, without forcing him to be online all the time. "but the option to simply turn it off should be there." It still doesn't make the first paragraph true. Those are not benefits of always online, they're just benefits of having an internet connection of any sort. but only possible if its always online, or during the time period that i'm not using the device, so it doesnt get in the way when i'm trying to play a game or watch movies. i always get annoyed when i try to play a game and it says "game must be updated". so, always online would help in this matter. So throw in an option to check for updates when you turn off the console and have it automatically shut down when updates are done installing? A 24 hour online check adds absolutely zero value to the consumer and provides no functionality that couldn't exist already simply by having internet. Also, why can't you download/install updates while you're playing a game or watching a movie? Background P2P downloads have been a thing for quite a while. automatic update is only a small portion of an example of how this always online can be implemented. and this xbone's requirement for always online is what i've been saying i'm against but i see the benefit of "always online" WITHOUT requirement. why do i feel like you're talking to me like i'm a xbox supporter o.O (i'm not) But then like...I don't understand what you're saying. If "always online" isn't a requirement then it's not "always online" it's just "online whenever the console owner wants to be online" which is like...exactly what old consoles had and the exact opposite of what microsoft is doing.
maybe i'm jumping ahead of myself with ps4 of being "always on" rumor. being in sleep mode but does its thing.
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On June 14 2013 06:53 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:46 maartendq wrote:On June 14 2013 06:33 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 06:30 jinorazi wrote:
i'm completely fine with always online and it does have its goods, the problem is you can't opt out.
i mean shit, does your computer games become completely useless without internet?
you can still play vs ai or something, watch replays...but ms is saying "nope, no internet for 24 hours = no game"
why couldnt they just say leave it online for full experience but you can unplug it if you'd like. why have this requirement? only thing i can think of is the little piracy scene that exists. There is no benefit to always online unless literally everyone in the world has access to internet consistently. There is not a single thing positive about forcing consumers to stay online to use your product, thus limiting Eastern Europe, the entirety of Asia (including Japan), the entirety of the Middle East, the entirety of Africa, and most of Central America and South of America from using your product. As for why they're doing it, they want you to make sure you Kinect is connected to the server so it can transfer ad data to them. It's a bit tin foily but I'm pretty sure they're limiting access to Western European countries and North America because they want to see how the flow of data will be and have some early testing in that regard. It's incredibly tin-foily. We take it very seriously. We aren’t using Kinect to snoop on anybody at all. We listen for the word ‘Xbox on’ and then switch on the machine, but we don’t transmit personal data in any way, shape or form that could be personally identifiable to you, unless you explicitly opt into that. If you want privacy, we’ll give you modes that ensure your privacy. We will have something similar for the Kinect with Xbox One. The system is designed to have Kinect be an integral part of the experience. It’s not the case where you’ll be able to remove the camera altogether. But you’ll be able to put the system in modes where you can be completely secure about the fact that the camera is off and can’t see you. Video game consoles are luxury goods purchased by people with a sufficiently large disposable income. Those people are mainly found in the EU, the US and some parts of east Asia. Consoles are still illegal in China, South-Korea has its PC Bangs and Japan has Sony. This limits microsoft to the EU and the US. This is reflected in the fact that the Xbone won't be released in japan until late 2014. And again, you don't have to stay online, you just have to connect once every 24 hours, meaning that you can probably play offline for 23 hours and 59 minutes each day. Oh my god did you actually just say that Microsoft isn't releasing the Xbox One in Eastern Europe, the entirety of Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Indonesia, South America, and Central America because they're "too poor"? You do realize Eastern Europe is part of the EU right? And that Portugal is a Western European nation, right? This is too rich to believe someone is actually saying this. Oh my fucking lord. The point isn't that you can play 23 hours and 59 minutes offline each day, the point is that there's no god damn point to having that 24 hour authentication at ALL other than forcing you to keep your Kinect connected so it can spy on you. The point isn't that you can play 23 hours and 59 minutes, the point is if you can't connect to their servers, even if you perfectly and legitimately purchase an Xbox One and set up an account, if you do not live in any of those countries you are not allowed to play an Xbox One. The console simply won't allow you. How in the everliving Christ are you justifying this? It's not even refusing to sell in those countries. If they buy it in another country and import it to themselves, it still won't freaking work because it can't connect to Microsoft's servers. That's absolutely retarded. This isn't me tin foiling, this is explicitly stated by Microsoft.
Also there's the whole "you have to connect to their servers through Xbox Live Gold" so even after you buy the console you still have to pay a subscription to use it?
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On June 14 2013 06:57 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:53 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 06:46 maartendq wrote:On June 14 2013 06:33 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 06:30 jinorazi wrote:
i'm completely fine with always online and it does have its goods, the problem is you can't opt out.
i mean shit, does your computer games become completely useless without internet?
you can still play vs ai or something, watch replays...but ms is saying "nope, no internet for 24 hours = no game"
why couldnt they just say leave it online for full experience but you can unplug it if you'd like. why have this requirement? only thing i can think of is the little piracy scene that exists. There is no benefit to always online unless literally everyone in the world has access to internet consistently. There is not a single thing positive about forcing consumers to stay online to use your product, thus limiting Eastern Europe, the entirety of Asia (including Japan), the entirety of the Middle East, the entirety of Africa, and most of Central America and South of America from using your product. As for why they're doing it, they want you to make sure you Kinect is connected to the server so it can transfer ad data to them. It's a bit tin foily but I'm pretty sure they're limiting access to Western European countries and North America because they want to see how the flow of data will be and have some early testing in that regard. It's incredibly tin-foily. We take it very seriously. We aren’t using Kinect to snoop on anybody at all. We listen for the word ‘Xbox on’ and then switch on the machine, but we don’t transmit personal data in any way, shape or form that could be personally identifiable to you, unless you explicitly opt into that. If you want privacy, we’ll give you modes that ensure your privacy. We will have something similar for the Kinect with Xbox One. The system is designed to have Kinect be an integral part of the experience. It’s not the case where you’ll be able to remove the camera altogether. But you’ll be able to put the system in modes where you can be completely secure about the fact that the camera is off and can’t see you. Video game consoles are luxury goods purchased by people with a sufficiently large disposable income. Those people are mainly found in the EU, the US and some parts of east Asia. Consoles are still illegal in China, South-Korea has its PC Bangs and Japan has Sony. This limits microsoft to the EU and the US. This is reflected in the fact that the Xbone won't be released in japan until late 2014. And again, you don't have to stay online, you just have to connect once every 24 hours, meaning that you can probably play offline for 23 hours and 59 minutes each day. Oh my god did you actually just say that Microsoft isn't releasing the Xbox One in Eastern Europe, the entirety of Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Indonesia, South America, and Central America because they're "too poor"? You do realize Eastern Europe is part of the EU right? And that Portugal is a Western European nation, right? This is too rich to believe someone is actually saying this. Oh my fucking lord. The point isn't that you can play 23 hours and 59 minutes offline each day, the point is that there's no god damn point to having that 24 hour authentication at ALL other than forcing you to keep your Kinect connected so it can spy on you. The point isn't that you can play 23 hours and 59 minutes, the point is if you can't connect to their servers, even if you perfectly and legitimately purchase an Xbox One and set up an account, if you do not live in any of those countries you are not allowed to play an Xbox One. The console simply won't allow you. How in the everliving Christ are you justifying this? It's not even refusing to sell in those countries. If they buy it in another country and import it to themselves, it still won't freaking work because it can't connect to Microsoft's servers. That's absolutely retarded. This isn't me tin foiling, this is explicitly stated by Microsoft. Also there's the whole "you have to connect to their servers through Xbox Live Gold" so even after you buy the console you still have to pay a subscription to use it?
Yes.
Even singleplayer games that use a disc.
EDIT:
Relevant
http://imgur.com/a/39IMB
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On June 14 2013 06:48 takingbackoj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:16 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:53 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:43 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 05:40 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:27 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:21 Masheyoon wrote:[spoiler] I hope M$ likes where you live... The price issue is accurate and a large blow to Xbox One. PS4 allows and leaves the decision of DRM up to third party developers. Does the Kinect watch you? Take the tinfoil hat off. Its no different than a cell phone. Requires internet. True and that is bad. Features that probably wont work? Lol, pathetic reach. If your internet dies its useless? See ONCE A DAY check in. And I would have never guess there were so many people with such bad internet to where they couldn't check in every 24 hours but still have enough internet to troll forums and complain about not having internet. Too funny. If I transport it to India? Hahaha, the comedy of the internet rage crowd is an amazing cross between funny and pitiful. Did you just make a down to earth analysis of that parody picture ? one of must defend his king against all atrocities I have no stock in MS. I would like to know more about it thought. The complaints being thrown arent really helping any discussion at all. They are just complaints from the rage train. Bring some substance to the discussion. If you think the Kinect is plotting your assassination or if you live on the Himalayas with no internet connection then MS has pretty much said they don't care about you. That sucks but its not worth discussing really. Its just pretty annoying to have to sift through all of the ridiculous comments just to find something substantive in this thread. I.E. whether cloud processing will actually be useful, or what their used game policy actually is and how it will affect things. What substance ? People are pissed about always online and sharing restrictions imposed by MS. There's nothing else to say about it but make jokes. There are no advantages to discuss about from a consumer perspective. MS argues that its because they want us to experience the future or some PR crap, but the fact is that these restrictions are mandatory. If the online experience is part of a great future, sure do advertises your online features; just do not make it mandatory to be online with 24h checks and cover that up under "we have a vision of the future". A good online experience is not synonym of restrictions to offline. In the end though, yeah you're right: if someone's not happy with it, there's nothing to do but go PS4 (or another). Still let us ridicule what most of us consider a dumb decisions followed by pathetic PR. Anyway in the end I just find it funny more than enraging; but that may be because I'm no Xb fan. If I were, and had hoped Xbone would be a great successor to X360 maybe I'd be more angry of the disappointment. This is the best Anti Xbox post I have seen all day. Yes having to check in every 24 hours is bad. Yes it leaves a lot of people out. The thing is, what is the point in discussing it particularly in an Xbox One thread? Start a thread titled "Xbone sucks" and go to town. But there is nothing to be done about the 24 hour check in. There is no way to convince someone that doesn't have internet to buy an Xbox because it would be dumb. But this relentless bashing is as pointless as someone from Kyrgyzstan going to a surfing enthusiast site and complaining that he's left out because he doesn't have access to an ocean. Xbox One requires users to have daily internet access, if you dont have daily internet access then you would be dumb to buy an Xbox one. No wiggle room there. Its not the product for you if you don't have access to the internet daily.
Correct, it's dumb. That's what people are saying. Why would alienate people like that? My gf's parents house has the shittiest internet of all time. They are very well off but simply do not have access to internet. So now they're fucked out of a console? Do you not see how stupid that logic is? I couldn't care less if MS doesn't change their policy, and actually I hope they keep it so I can watch their console sales fail.
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On June 14 2013 06:58 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:57 Klondikebar wrote:On June 14 2013 06:53 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 06:46 maartendq wrote:On June 14 2013 06:33 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 06:30 jinorazi wrote:
i'm completely fine with always online and it does have its goods, the problem is you can't opt out.
i mean shit, does your computer games become completely useless without internet?
you can still play vs ai or something, watch replays...but ms is saying "nope, no internet for 24 hours = no game"
why couldnt they just say leave it online for full experience but you can unplug it if you'd like. why have this requirement? only thing i can think of is the little piracy scene that exists. There is no benefit to always online unless literally everyone in the world has access to internet consistently. There is not a single thing positive about forcing consumers to stay online to use your product, thus limiting Eastern Europe, the entirety of Asia (including Japan), the entirety of the Middle East, the entirety of Africa, and most of Central America and South of America from using your product. As for why they're doing it, they want you to make sure you Kinect is connected to the server so it can transfer ad data to them. It's a bit tin foily but I'm pretty sure they're limiting access to Western European countries and North America because they want to see how the flow of data will be and have some early testing in that regard. It's incredibly tin-foily. We take it very seriously. We aren’t using Kinect to snoop on anybody at all. We listen for the word ‘Xbox on’ and then switch on the machine, but we don’t transmit personal data in any way, shape or form that could be personally identifiable to you, unless you explicitly opt into that. If you want privacy, we’ll give you modes that ensure your privacy. We will have something similar for the Kinect with Xbox One. The system is designed to have Kinect be an integral part of the experience. It’s not the case where you’ll be able to remove the camera altogether. But you’ll be able to put the system in modes where you can be completely secure about the fact that the camera is off and can’t see you. Video game consoles are luxury goods purchased by people with a sufficiently large disposable income. Those people are mainly found in the EU, the US and some parts of east Asia. Consoles are still illegal in China, South-Korea has its PC Bangs and Japan has Sony. This limits microsoft to the EU and the US. This is reflected in the fact that the Xbone won't be released in japan until late 2014. And again, you don't have to stay online, you just have to connect once every 24 hours, meaning that you can probably play offline for 23 hours and 59 minutes each day. Oh my god did you actually just say that Microsoft isn't releasing the Xbox One in Eastern Europe, the entirety of Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Indonesia, South America, and Central America because they're "too poor"? You do realize Eastern Europe is part of the EU right? And that Portugal is a Western European nation, right? This is too rich to believe someone is actually saying this. Oh my fucking lord. The point isn't that you can play 23 hours and 59 minutes offline each day, the point is that there's no god damn point to having that 24 hour authentication at ALL other than forcing you to keep your Kinect connected so it can spy on you. The point isn't that you can play 23 hours and 59 minutes, the point is if you can't connect to their servers, even if you perfectly and legitimately purchase an Xbox One and set up an account, if you do not live in any of those countries you are not allowed to play an Xbox One. The console simply won't allow you. How in the everliving Christ are you justifying this? It's not even refusing to sell in those countries. If they buy it in another country and import it to themselves, it still won't freaking work because it can't connect to Microsoft's servers. That's absolutely retarded. This isn't me tin foiling, this is explicitly stated by Microsoft. Also there's the whole "you have to connect to their servers through Xbox Live Gold" so even after you buy the console you still have to pay a subscription to use it? Yes. Even singleplayer games that use a disc. EDIT: Relevant http://imgur.com/a/39IMB
I don't think you need xbl gold to play single players games? I thought you could authenticate just by connecting? O.o
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Could we just stop even talking about this piece of shit. No one will buy it and no one should even care about this piece of trash!
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On June 14 2013 06:24 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:22 Ljas wrote:
People are arguing about the stability of connections in households, but that's beside the point.
I'm willing to bet money on Microsoft's authentication server crashing on the console's launch week. If EA, Ubisoft and Blizzard were unable to keep their servers up with single games, how can Microsoft with the worldwide launch of a new console? Pretty sure that's why they are limiting the access to said Western European countries (except Portugal!) and North America + Australia. There is also a difference.
Microsoft can physically limit the amount of possible connections they don't have to guess how many people will buy the console. Because they only can sell physical consoles there is no digital download of the console they can just build their infrastructure based on how many xboxOnes they have in the area. No guess work needed
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So the dev team of Witcher 3 won't be able to play their game on Xbox One...
We spoke with Marcin Iwinski, co-founder and joint CEO of CD Projekt Red about the matter. "I was just in a restaurant and saw the list," Iwinski told us. "I was surprised, and I really hope that it isn't final. I think Polish gamers will speak out loud. From my perspective, it's a sad situation."
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On June 14 2013 07:05 Vault Boy wrote:
Could we just stop even talking about this piece of shit. No one will buy it and no one should even care about this piece of trash!
You have an overly positive view on the world and the people in it.
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On June 14 2013 07:02 Infernal_dream wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:58 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 06:57 Klondikebar wrote:On June 14 2013 06:53 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 06:46 maartendq wrote:On June 14 2013 06:33 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 06:30 jinorazi wrote:
i'm completely fine with always online and it does have its goods, the problem is you can't opt out.
i mean shit, does your computer games become completely useless without internet?
you can still play vs ai or something, watch replays...but ms is saying "nope, no internet for 24 hours = no game"
why couldnt they just say leave it online for full experience but you can unplug it if you'd like. why have this requirement? only thing i can think of is the little piracy scene that exists. There is no benefit to always online unless literally everyone in the world has access to internet consistently. There is not a single thing positive about forcing consumers to stay online to use your product, thus limiting Eastern Europe, the entirety of Asia (including Japan), the entirety of the Middle East, the entirety of Africa, and most of Central America and South of America from using your product. As for why they're doing it, they want you to make sure you Kinect is connected to the server so it can transfer ad data to them. It's a bit tin foily but I'm pretty sure they're limiting access to Western European countries and North America because they want to see how the flow of data will be and have some early testing in that regard. It's incredibly tin-foily. We take it very seriously. We aren’t using Kinect to snoop on anybody at all. We listen for the word ‘Xbox on’ and then switch on the machine, but we don’t transmit personal data in any way, shape or form that could be personally identifiable to you, unless you explicitly opt into that. If you want privacy, we’ll give you modes that ensure your privacy. We will have something similar for the Kinect with Xbox One. The system is designed to have Kinect be an integral part of the experience. It’s not the case where you’ll be able to remove the camera altogether. But you’ll be able to put the system in modes where you can be completely secure about the fact that the camera is off and can’t see you. Video game consoles are luxury goods purchased by people with a sufficiently large disposable income. Those people are mainly found in the EU, the US and some parts of east Asia. Consoles are still illegal in China, South-Korea has its PC Bangs and Japan has Sony. This limits microsoft to the EU and the US. This is reflected in the fact that the Xbone won't be released in japan until late 2014. And again, you don't have to stay online, you just have to connect once every 24 hours, meaning that you can probably play offline for 23 hours and 59 minutes each day. Oh my god did you actually just say that Microsoft isn't releasing the Xbox One in Eastern Europe, the entirety of Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Indonesia, South America, and Central America because they're "too poor"? You do realize Eastern Europe is part of the EU right? And that Portugal is a Western European nation, right? This is too rich to believe someone is actually saying this. Oh my fucking lord. The point isn't that you can play 23 hours and 59 minutes offline each day, the point is that there's no god damn point to having that 24 hour authentication at ALL other than forcing you to keep your Kinect connected so it can spy on you. The point isn't that you can play 23 hours and 59 minutes, the point is if you can't connect to their servers, even if you perfectly and legitimately purchase an Xbox One and set up an account, if you do not live in any of those countries you are not allowed to play an Xbox One. The console simply won't allow you. How in the everliving Christ are you justifying this? It's not even refusing to sell in those countries. If they buy it in another country and import it to themselves, it still won't freaking work because it can't connect to Microsoft's servers. That's absolutely retarded. This isn't me tin foiling, this is explicitly stated by Microsoft. Also there's the whole "you have to connect to their servers through Xbox Live Gold" so even after you buy the console you still have to pay a subscription to use it? Yes. Even singleplayer games that use a disc. EDIT: Relevant http://imgur.com/a/39IMB I don't think you need xbl gold to play single players games? I thought you could authenticate just by connecting? O.o
Thats what Xbox support says, even if you change your region on your live account and also purchase that specific's region console(IE UK version), you won't be able to connect to the xbox servers to authenticate even for single player content, because it looks like they block those countries ISPs or something. They do flat out say you will want to wait till they have officially released it in that country.
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He's talking about having the paid Gold membership just to make the console work, which isn't true as far as I know.
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On June 14 2013 07:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:So the dev team of Witcher 3 won't be able to play their game on Xbox One... Show nested quote +We spoke with Marcin Iwinski, co-founder and joint CEO of CD Projekt Red about the matter. "I was just in a restaurant and saw the list," Iwinski told us. "I was surprised, and I really hope that it isn't final. I think Polish gamers will speak out loud. From my perspective, it's a sad situation." Source
The gift that keeps on giving.
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