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On June 14 2013 07:10 FromShouri wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 07:02 Infernal_dream wrote:On June 14 2013 06:58 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 06:57 Klondikebar wrote:On June 14 2013 06:53 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 06:46 maartendq wrote:On June 14 2013 06:33 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 06:30 jinorazi wrote:
i'm completely fine with always online and it does have its goods, the problem is you can't opt out.
i mean shit, does your computer games become completely useless without internet?
you can still play vs ai or something, watch replays...but ms is saying "nope, no internet for 24 hours = no game"
why couldnt they just say leave it online for full experience but you can unplug it if you'd like. why have this requirement? only thing i can think of is the little piracy scene that exists. There is no benefit to always online unless literally everyone in the world has access to internet consistently. There is not a single thing positive about forcing consumers to stay online to use your product, thus limiting Eastern Europe, the entirety of Asia (including Japan), the entirety of the Middle East, the entirety of Africa, and most of Central America and South of America from using your product. As for why they're doing it, they want you to make sure you Kinect is connected to the server so it can transfer ad data to them. It's a bit tin foily but I'm pretty sure they're limiting access to Western European countries and North America because they want to see how the flow of data will be and have some early testing in that regard. It's incredibly tin-foily. We take it very seriously. We aren’t using Kinect to snoop on anybody at all. We listen for the word ‘Xbox on’ and then switch on the machine, but we don’t transmit personal data in any way, shape or form that could be personally identifiable to you, unless you explicitly opt into that. If you want privacy, we’ll give you modes that ensure your privacy. We will have something similar for the Kinect with Xbox One. The system is designed to have Kinect be an integral part of the experience. It’s not the case where you’ll be able to remove the camera altogether. But you’ll be able to put the system in modes where you can be completely secure about the fact that the camera is off and can’t see you. Video game consoles are luxury goods purchased by people with a sufficiently large disposable income. Those people are mainly found in the EU, the US and some parts of east Asia. Consoles are still illegal in China, South-Korea has its PC Bangs and Japan has Sony. This limits microsoft to the EU and the US. This is reflected in the fact that the Xbone won't be released in japan until late 2014. And again, you don't have to stay online, you just have to connect once every 24 hours, meaning that you can probably play offline for 23 hours and 59 minutes each day. Oh my god did you actually just say that Microsoft isn't releasing the Xbox One in Eastern Europe, the entirety of Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Indonesia, South America, and Central America because they're "too poor"? You do realize Eastern Europe is part of the EU right? And that Portugal is a Western European nation, right? This is too rich to believe someone is actually saying this. Oh my fucking lord. The point isn't that you can play 23 hours and 59 minutes offline each day, the point is that there's no god damn point to having that 24 hour authentication at ALL other than forcing you to keep your Kinect connected so it can spy on you. The point isn't that you can play 23 hours and 59 minutes, the point is if you can't connect to their servers, even if you perfectly and legitimately purchase an Xbox One and set up an account, if you do not live in any of those countries you are not allowed to play an Xbox One. The console simply won't allow you. How in the everliving Christ are you justifying this? It's not even refusing to sell in those countries. If they buy it in another country and import it to themselves, it still won't freaking work because it can't connect to Microsoft's servers. That's absolutely retarded. This isn't me tin foiling, this is explicitly stated by Microsoft. Also there's the whole "you have to connect to their servers through Xbox Live Gold" so even after you buy the console you still have to pay a subscription to use it? Yes. Even singleplayer games that use a disc. EDIT: Relevant http://imgur.com/a/39IMB I don't think you need xbl gold to play single players games? I thought you could authenticate just by connecting? O.o Thats what Xbox support says, even if you change your region on your live account and also purchase that specific's region console(IE UK version), you won't be able to connect to the xbox servers to authenticate even for single player content, because it looks like they block those countries ISPs or something. They do flat out say you will want to wait till they have officially released it in that country.
On June 14 2013 07:11 Ljas wrote:
He's talking about having the paid Gold membership just to make the console work, which isn't true as far as I know.
^ That's what I meant. I know about the region lock and things of that nature. But what I got out of your original post was that you needed xbl gold to even play single player games. Like lets say I'm in USA and I buy an Xbone what I understood from your post is that I'll need to buy xbl gold to even play just single player games.
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On June 14 2013 06:52 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:48 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 06:16 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:53 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:43 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 05:40 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:27 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:21 Masheyoon wrote:[spoiler] ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ftyPCdN.jpg) I hope M$ likes where you live... The price issue is accurate and a large blow to Xbox One. PS4 allows and leaves the decision of DRM up to third party developers. Does the Kinect watch you? Take the tinfoil hat off. Its no different than a cell phone. Requires internet. True and that is bad. Features that probably wont work? Lol, pathetic reach. If your internet dies its useless? See ONCE A DAY check in. And I would have never guess there were so many people with such bad internet to where they couldn't check in every 24 hours but still have enough internet to troll forums and complain about not having internet. Too funny. If I transport it to India? Hahaha, the comedy of the internet rage crowd is an amazing cross between funny and pitiful. Did you just make a down to earth analysis of that parody picture ? one of must defend his king against all atrocities I have no stock in MS. I would like to know more about it thought. The complaints being thrown arent really helping any discussion at all. They are just complaints from the rage train. Bring some substance to the discussion. If you think the Kinect is plotting your assassination or if you live on the Himalayas with no internet connection then MS has pretty much said they don't care about you. That sucks but its not worth discussing really. Its just pretty annoying to have to sift through all of the ridiculous comments just to find something substantive in this thread. I.E. whether cloud processing will actually be useful, or what their used game policy actually is and how it will affect things. What substance ? People are pissed about always online and sharing restrictions imposed by MS. There's nothing else to say about it but make jokes. There are no advantages to discuss about from a consumer perspective. MS argues that its because they want us to experience the future or some PR crap, but the fact is that these restrictions are mandatory. If the online experience is part of a great future, sure do advertises your online features; just do not make it mandatory to be online with 24h checks and cover that up under "we have a vision of the future". A good online experience is not synonym of restrictions to offline. In the end though, yeah you're right: if someone's not happy with it, there's nothing to do but go PS4 (or another). Still let us ridicule what most of us consider a dumb decisions followed by pathetic PR. Anyway in the end I just find it funny more than enraging; but that may be because I'm no Xb fan. If I were, and had hoped Xbone would be a great successor to X360 maybe I'd be more angry of the disappointment. This is the best Anti Xbox post I have seen all day. Yes having to check in every 24 hours is bad. Yes it leaves a lot of people out. The thing is, what is the point in discussing it particularly in an Xbox One thread? Start a thread titled "Xbone sucks" and go to town. But there is nothing to be done about the 24 hour check in. There is no way to convince someone that doesn't have internet to buy an Xbox because it would be dumb. But this relentless bashing is as pointless as someone from Kyrgyzstan going to a surfing enthusiast site and complaining that he's left out because he doesn't have access to an ocean. Xbox One requires users to have daily internet access, if you dont have daily internet access then you would be dumb to buy an Xbox one. No wiggle room there. Its not the product for you if you don't have access to the internet daily. I dont think that mods would be too happy with a thread that is purely to state all of the negative things about xbone. This is an xbone discussion thread, the good and bad are discussed in it. If you cant handle reading the bad, then dont.
Agreed but not having internet isn't a discussion. Theres nothing to discuss. If you don't have internet then there is no discussion for you. You just don't have internet and can't use an Xbox one. What is there to discuss about that? Everyone agrees that that isn't good. Is there anything to add to that?
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United States22883 Posts
Watching Ryse on Twitch and the semi-QTEs are just getting unbearable. 'Execution State' shouldn't be different than normal state, with exception for bosses or the last enemy in an area.
Plus it's like 90% slicing, not thrusting. :| I guess they don't know what a spatha is.
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do you need xbl gold for netflix, amazon video, hulu, etc for xbox 360?
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/facepalm
Wow, this is some pretty crazy stuff. Microsoft is certainly in damage control mode with Xbox One right now. They're trying to sway people back in their direction. Apparently, one of the ways they're trying to do so is by hitting up Nintendo's Best Buy E3 Experience Event.
Believe it or not, multiple reports are coming in stating that Microsoft employees are hitting up the line and asking people why they would bother with Wii U when Xbox One is right around the corner. As you can see in the image above, there is indeed someone wearing a Microsoft shirt approaching people in line. This is just a bit too much for me!
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On June 14 2013 07:20 takingbackoj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:52 TheRabidDeer wrote:On June 14 2013 06:48 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 06:16 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:53 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:43 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 05:40 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:27 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:21 Masheyoon wrote:[spoiler] I hope M$ likes where you live... The price issue is accurate and a large blow to Xbox One. PS4 allows and leaves the decision of DRM up to third party developers. Does the Kinect watch you? Take the tinfoil hat off. Its no different than a cell phone. Requires internet. True and that is bad. Features that probably wont work? Lol, pathetic reach. If your internet dies its useless? See ONCE A DAY check in. And I would have never guess there were so many people with such bad internet to where they couldn't check in every 24 hours but still have enough internet to troll forums and complain about not having internet. Too funny. If I transport it to India? Hahaha, the comedy of the internet rage crowd is an amazing cross between funny and pitiful. Did you just make a down to earth analysis of that parody picture ? one of must defend his king against all atrocities I have no stock in MS. I would like to know more about it thought. The complaints being thrown arent really helping any discussion at all. They are just complaints from the rage train. Bring some substance to the discussion. If you think the Kinect is plotting your assassination or if you live on the Himalayas with no internet connection then MS has pretty much said they don't care about you. That sucks but its not worth discussing really. Its just pretty annoying to have to sift through all of the ridiculous comments just to find something substantive in this thread. I.E. whether cloud processing will actually be useful, or what their used game policy actually is and how it will affect things. What substance ? People are pissed about always online and sharing restrictions imposed by MS. There's nothing else to say about it but make jokes. There are no advantages to discuss about from a consumer perspective. MS argues that its because they want us to experience the future or some PR crap, but the fact is that these restrictions are mandatory. If the online experience is part of a great future, sure do advertises your online features; just do not make it mandatory to be online with 24h checks and cover that up under "we have a vision of the future". A good online experience is not synonym of restrictions to offline. In the end though, yeah you're right: if someone's not happy with it, there's nothing to do but go PS4 (or another). Still let us ridicule what most of us consider a dumb decisions followed by pathetic PR. Anyway in the end I just find it funny more than enraging; but that may be because I'm no Xb fan. If I were, and had hoped Xbone would be a great successor to X360 maybe I'd be more angry of the disappointment. This is the best Anti Xbox post I have seen all day. Yes having to check in every 24 hours is bad. Yes it leaves a lot of people out. The thing is, what is the point in discussing it particularly in an Xbox One thread? Start a thread titled "Xbone sucks" and go to town. But there is nothing to be done about the 24 hour check in. There is no way to convince someone that doesn't have internet to buy an Xbox because it would be dumb. But this relentless bashing is as pointless as someone from Kyrgyzstan going to a surfing enthusiast site and complaining that he's left out because he doesn't have access to an ocean. Xbox One requires users to have daily internet access, if you dont have daily internet access then you would be dumb to buy an Xbox one. No wiggle room there. Its not the product for you if you don't have access to the internet daily. I dont think that mods would be too happy with a thread that is purely to state all of the negative things about xbone. This is an xbone discussion thread, the good and bad are discussed in it. If you cant handle reading the bad, then dont. Agreed but not having internet isn't a discussion. Theres nothing to discuss. If you don't have internet then there is no discussion for you. You just don't have internet and can't use an Xbox one. What is there to discuss about that? Everyone agrees that that isn't good. Is there anything to add to that?
So we should just ignore it then.
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On June 14 2013 07:28 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 07:20 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 06:52 TheRabidDeer wrote:On June 14 2013 06:48 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 06:16 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:53 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:43 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 05:40 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:27 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:21 Masheyoon wrote:[spoiler] I hope M$ likes where you live... The price issue is accurate and a large blow to Xbox One. PS4 allows and leaves the decision of DRM up to third party developers. Does the Kinect watch you? Take the tinfoil hat off. Its no different than a cell phone. Requires internet. True and that is bad. Features that probably wont work? Lol, pathetic reach. If your internet dies its useless? See ONCE A DAY check in. And I would have never guess there were so many people with such bad internet to where they couldn't check in every 24 hours but still have enough internet to troll forums and complain about not having internet. Too funny. If I transport it to India? Hahaha, the comedy of the internet rage crowd is an amazing cross between funny and pitiful. Did you just make a down to earth analysis of that parody picture ? one of must defend his king against all atrocities I have no stock in MS. I would like to know more about it thought. The complaints being thrown arent really helping any discussion at all. They are just complaints from the rage train. Bring some substance to the discussion. If you think the Kinect is plotting your assassination or if you live on the Himalayas with no internet connection then MS has pretty much said they don't care about you. That sucks but its not worth discussing really. Its just pretty annoying to have to sift through all of the ridiculous comments just to find something substantive in this thread. I.E. whether cloud processing will actually be useful, or what their used game policy actually is and how it will affect things. What substance ? People are pissed about always online and sharing restrictions imposed by MS. There's nothing else to say about it but make jokes. There are no advantages to discuss about from a consumer perspective. MS argues that its because they want us to experience the future or some PR crap, but the fact is that these restrictions are mandatory. If the online experience is part of a great future, sure do advertises your online features; just do not make it mandatory to be online with 24h checks and cover that up under "we have a vision of the future". A good online experience is not synonym of restrictions to offline. In the end though, yeah you're right: if someone's not happy with it, there's nothing to do but go PS4 (or another). Still let us ridicule what most of us consider a dumb decisions followed by pathetic PR. Anyway in the end I just find it funny more than enraging; but that may be because I'm no Xb fan. If I were, and had hoped Xbone would be a great successor to X360 maybe I'd be more angry of the disappointment. This is the best Anti Xbox post I have seen all day. Yes having to check in every 24 hours is bad. Yes it leaves a lot of people out. The thing is, what is the point in discussing it particularly in an Xbox One thread? Start a thread titled "Xbone sucks" and go to town. But there is nothing to be done about the 24 hour check in. There is no way to convince someone that doesn't have internet to buy an Xbox because it would be dumb. But this relentless bashing is as pointless as someone from Kyrgyzstan going to a surfing enthusiast site and complaining that he's left out because he doesn't have access to an ocean. Xbox One requires users to have daily internet access, if you dont have daily internet access then you would be dumb to buy an Xbox one. No wiggle room there. Its not the product for you if you don't have access to the internet daily. I dont think that mods would be too happy with a thread that is purely to state all of the negative things about xbone. This is an xbone discussion thread, the good and bad are discussed in it. If you cant handle reading the bad, then dont. Agreed but not having internet isn't a discussion. Theres nothing to discuss. If you don't have internet then there is no discussion for you. You just don't have internet and can't use an Xbox one. What is there to discuss about that? Everyone agrees that that isn't good. Is there anything to add to that? So we should just ignore it then.
Yes, correct. If you didn't have a kitchen, would you go to a cooking message board and complain about being left out? No because it would be pointless and childish. Always online stinks. No argument there. What can I add to it? What is the point in stating that over and over again page in and page out when no one is disagreeing with you? Email MS or contact the appropriate ISP or government official and start a petition for internet. I can't fix it, no one on this forum can fix it, no one disagrees with you. It has become a situation where the only reason to type it and post it is to complain without reason.
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On June 14 2013 07:35 takingbackoj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 07:28 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 07:20 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 06:52 TheRabidDeer wrote:On June 14 2013 06:48 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 06:16 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:53 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:43 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 05:40 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:27 takingbackoj wrote:
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The price issue is accurate and a large blow to Xbox One.
PS4 allows and leaves the decision of DRM up to third party developers.
Does the Kinect watch you? Take the tinfoil hat off. Its no different than a cell phone.
Requires internet. True and that is bad.
Features that probably wont work? Lol, pathetic reach.
If your internet dies its useless? See ONCE A DAY check in. And I would have never guess there were so many people with such bad internet to where they couldn't check in every 24 hours but still have enough internet to troll forums and complain about not having internet. Too funny.
If I transport it to India? Hahaha, the comedy of the internet rage crowd is an amazing cross between funny and pitiful. Did you just make a down to earth analysis of that parody picture ? one of must defend his king against all atrocities I have no stock in MS. I would like to know more about it thought. The complaints being thrown arent really helping any discussion at all. They are just complaints from the rage train. Bring some substance to the discussion. If you think the Kinect is plotting your assassination or if you live on the Himalayas with no internet connection then MS has pretty much said they don't care about you. That sucks but its not worth discussing really. Its just pretty annoying to have to sift through all of the ridiculous comments just to find something substantive in this thread. I.E. whether cloud processing will actually be useful, or what their used game policy actually is and how it will affect things. What substance ? People are pissed about always online and sharing restrictions imposed by MS. There's nothing else to say about it but make jokes. There are no advantages to discuss about from a consumer perspective. MS argues that its because they want us to experience the future or some PR crap, but the fact is that these restrictions are mandatory. If the online experience is part of a great future, sure do advertises your online features; just do not make it mandatory to be online with 24h checks and cover that up under "we have a vision of the future". A good online experience is not synonym of restrictions to offline. In the end though, yeah you're right: if someone's not happy with it, there's nothing to do but go PS4 (or another). Still let us ridicule what most of us consider a dumb decisions followed by pathetic PR. Anyway in the end I just find it funny more than enraging; but that may be because I'm no Xb fan. If I were, and had hoped Xbone would be a great successor to X360 maybe I'd be more angry of the disappointment. This is the best Anti Xbox post I have seen all day. Yes having to check in every 24 hours is bad. Yes it leaves a lot of people out. The thing is, what is the point in discussing it particularly in an Xbox One thread? Start a thread titled "Xbone sucks" and go to town. But there is nothing to be done about the 24 hour check in. There is no way to convince someone that doesn't have internet to buy an Xbox because it would be dumb. But this relentless bashing is as pointless as someone from Kyrgyzstan going to a surfing enthusiast site and complaining that he's left out because he doesn't have access to an ocean. Xbox One requires users to have daily internet access, if you dont have daily internet access then you would be dumb to buy an Xbox one. No wiggle room there. Its not the product for you if you don't have access to the internet daily. I dont think that mods would be too happy with a thread that is purely to state all of the negative things about xbone. This is an xbone discussion thread, the good and bad are discussed in it. If you cant handle reading the bad, then dont. Agreed but not having internet isn't a discussion. Theres nothing to discuss. If you don't have internet then there is no discussion for you. You just don't have internet and can't use an Xbox one. What is there to discuss about that? Everyone agrees that that isn't good. Is there anything to add to that? So we should just ignore it then. Yes, correct. If you didn't have a kitchen, would you go to a cooking message board and complain about being left out? No because it would be pointless and childish. Always online stinks. No argument there. What can I add to it? What is the point in stating that over and over again page in and page out when no one is disagreeing with you? Email MS or contact the appropriate ISP or government official and start a petition for internet. I can't fix it, no one on this forum can fix it, no one disagrees with you. It has become a situation where the only reason to type it and post it is to complain without reason.
We fix it by making it a huge deal so that awareness spreads about it and Microsoft is forced to fix it.
That's what Capitalism is.
If you think that we should talk about rampant anti-consumerism and anti-privacy once and then ignore it forever, I'm never going to convince you to see where we're coming from.
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On June 14 2013 07:42 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 07:35 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 07:28 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 07:20 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 06:52 TheRabidDeer wrote:On June 14 2013 06:48 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 06:16 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:53 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:43 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 05:40 rezoacken wrote:
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Did you just make a down to earth analysis of that parody picture ? one of must defend his king against all atrocities I have no stock in MS. I would like to know more about it thought. The complaints being thrown arent really helping any discussion at all. They are just complaints from the rage train. Bring some substance to the discussion. If you think the Kinect is plotting your assassination or if you live on the Himalayas with no internet connection then MS has pretty much said they don't care about you. That sucks but its not worth discussing really. Its just pretty annoying to have to sift through all of the ridiculous comments just to find something substantive in this thread. I.E. whether cloud processing will actually be useful, or what their used game policy actually is and how it will affect things. What substance ? People are pissed about always online and sharing restrictions imposed by MS. There's nothing else to say about it but make jokes. There are no advantages to discuss about from a consumer perspective. MS argues that its because they want us to experience the future or some PR crap, but the fact is that these restrictions are mandatory. If the online experience is part of a great future, sure do advertises your online features; just do not make it mandatory to be online with 24h checks and cover that up under "we have a vision of the future". A good online experience is not synonym of restrictions to offline. In the end though, yeah you're right: if someone's not happy with it, there's nothing to do but go PS4 (or another). Still let us ridicule what most of us consider a dumb decisions followed by pathetic PR. Anyway in the end I just find it funny more than enraging; but that may be because I'm no Xb fan. If I were, and had hoped Xbone would be a great successor to X360 maybe I'd be more angry of the disappointment. This is the best Anti Xbox post I have seen all day. Yes having to check in every 24 hours is bad. Yes it leaves a lot of people out. The thing is, what is the point in discussing it particularly in an Xbox One thread? Start a thread titled "Xbone sucks" and go to town. But there is nothing to be done about the 24 hour check in. There is no way to convince someone that doesn't have internet to buy an Xbox because it would be dumb. But this relentless bashing is as pointless as someone from Kyrgyzstan going to a surfing enthusiast site and complaining that he's left out because he doesn't have access to an ocean. Xbox One requires users to have daily internet access, if you dont have daily internet access then you would be dumb to buy an Xbox one. No wiggle room there. Its not the product for you if you don't have access to the internet daily. I dont think that mods would be too happy with a thread that is purely to state all of the negative things about xbone. This is an xbone discussion thread, the good and bad are discussed in it. If you cant handle reading the bad, then dont. Agreed but not having internet isn't a discussion. Theres nothing to discuss. If you don't have internet then there is no discussion for you. You just don't have internet and can't use an Xbox one. What is there to discuss about that? Everyone agrees that that isn't good. Is there anything to add to that? So we should just ignore it then. Yes, correct. If you didn't have a kitchen, would you go to a cooking message board and complain about being left out? No because it would be pointless and childish. Always online stinks. No argument there. What can I add to it? What is the point in stating that over and over again page in and page out when no one is disagreeing with you? Email MS or contact the appropriate ISP or government official and start a petition for internet. I can't fix it, no one on this forum can fix it, no one disagrees with you. It has become a situation where the only reason to type it and post it is to complain without reason. We fix it by making it a huge deal so that awareness spreads about it and Microsoft is forced to fix it. That's what Capitalism is. If you think that we should talk about rampant anti-consumerism and anti-privacy once and then ignore it forever, I'm never going to convince you to see where we're coming from. There is no money in that, that's not capitalism that's called bitching. Complaining is offering coherent arguments for and against specific things in hopes of persuading people. Bitching is saying i don't like something over and over again until they give in.Capitalism would just not buy the product and let it die so Microsoft will adjust.
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I really can't actually believe Microsoft are even trying this. I mean, they have basically taken all the principles that have turned CoD into the shitpile that it is and applied them to every aspect of their console. They are gambling big that the general populace are so incredibly moronic that they will not understand that the company is trying to fuck them every which way possible.
It just keeps getting worse. The only way they can pull this off is with the mother of all appeal-to-casuals advertising campaign designed specifically to target people with sub 80 IQs, or by using SO much cash to fund buyouts of games that allow them to be Xbox only it would probably be still making aggregate losses on shipped units well into its 10th year of existence.
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United States22883 Posts
On June 14 2013 07:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:/facepalm Show nested quote +Wow, this is some pretty crazy stuff. Microsoft is certainly in damage control mode with Xbox One right now. They're trying to sway people back in their direction. Apparently, one of the ways they're trying to do so is by hitting up Nintendo's Best Buy E3 Experience Event.
Believe it or not, multiple reports are coming in stating that Microsoft employees are hitting up the line and asking people why they would bother with Wii U when Xbox One is right around the corner. As you can see in the image above, there is indeed someone wearing a Microsoft shirt approaching people in line. This is just a bit too much for me! Source
The tactic makes sense, they're just doing it very poorly and being way too big of dicks about it. They're probably under a ton of pressure (ie they're being told they have to go talk to the people in line) and they're not really trained on that stuff.
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On June 14 2013 07:42 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 07:35 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 07:28 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 07:20 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 06:52 TheRabidDeer wrote:On June 14 2013 06:48 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 06:16 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:53 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:43 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 05:40 rezoacken wrote:
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Did you just make a down to earth analysis of that parody picture ? one of must defend his king against all atrocities I have no stock in MS. I would like to know more about it thought. The complaints being thrown arent really helping any discussion at all. They are just complaints from the rage train. Bring some substance to the discussion. If you think the Kinect is plotting your assassination or if you live on the Himalayas with no internet connection then MS has pretty much said they don't care about you. That sucks but its not worth discussing really. Its just pretty annoying to have to sift through all of the ridiculous comments just to find something substantive in this thread. I.E. whether cloud processing will actually be useful, or what their used game policy actually is and how it will affect things. What substance ? People are pissed about always online and sharing restrictions imposed by MS. There's nothing else to say about it but make jokes. There are no advantages to discuss about from a consumer perspective. MS argues that its because they want us to experience the future or some PR crap, but the fact is that these restrictions are mandatory. If the online experience is part of a great future, sure do advertises your online features; just do not make it mandatory to be online with 24h checks and cover that up under "we have a vision of the future". A good online experience is not synonym of restrictions to offline. In the end though, yeah you're right: if someone's not happy with it, there's nothing to do but go PS4 (or another). Still let us ridicule what most of us consider a dumb decisions followed by pathetic PR. Anyway in the end I just find it funny more than enraging; but that may be because I'm no Xb fan. If I were, and had hoped Xbone would be a great successor to X360 maybe I'd be more angry of the disappointment. This is the best Anti Xbox post I have seen all day. Yes having to check in every 24 hours is bad. Yes it leaves a lot of people out. The thing is, what is the point in discussing it particularly in an Xbox One thread? Start a thread titled "Xbone sucks" and go to town. But there is nothing to be done about the 24 hour check in. There is no way to convince someone that doesn't have internet to buy an Xbox because it would be dumb. But this relentless bashing is as pointless as someone from Kyrgyzstan going to a surfing enthusiast site and complaining that he's left out because he doesn't have access to an ocean. Xbox One requires users to have daily internet access, if you dont have daily internet access then you would be dumb to buy an Xbox one. No wiggle room there. Its not the product for you if you don't have access to the internet daily. I dont think that mods would be too happy with a thread that is purely to state all of the negative things about xbone. This is an xbone discussion thread, the good and bad are discussed in it. If you cant handle reading the bad, then dont. Agreed but not having internet isn't a discussion. Theres nothing to discuss. If you don't have internet then there is no discussion for you. You just don't have internet and can't use an Xbox one. What is there to discuss about that? Everyone agrees that that isn't good. Is there anything to add to that? So we should just ignore it then. Yes, correct. If you didn't have a kitchen, would you go to a cooking message board and complain about being left out? No because it would be pointless and childish. Always online stinks. No argument there. What can I add to it? What is the point in stating that over and over again page in and page out when no one is disagreeing with you? Email MS or contact the appropriate ISP or government official and start a petition for internet. I can't fix it, no one on this forum can fix it, no one disagrees with you. It has become a situation where the only reason to type it and post it is to complain without reason. We fix it by making it a huge deal so that awareness spreads about it and Microsoft is forced to fix it. That's what Capitalism is. If you think that we should talk about rampant anti-consumerism and anti-privacy once and then ignore it forever, I'm never going to convince you to see where we're coming from.
Sitting here, on a TL forum, repeating the same thing over and over again isn't going to make MS change their mind. Its just creating a circle of useless posts that don't add at all to the discussion because there is nothing to discuss. Start a petition. Email them. Storm their gates. But what is the point in repeating the same thing over and over again in this thread like a parrot. Do MS big wigs frequent TL or something?
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On June 14 2013 07:42 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 07:35 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 07:28 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 07:20 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 06:52 TheRabidDeer wrote:On June 14 2013 06:48 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 06:16 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:53 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:43 jinorazi wrote:On June 14 2013 05:40 rezoacken wrote:
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Did you just make a down to earth analysis of that parody picture ? one of must defend his king against all atrocities I have no stock in MS. I would like to know more about it thought. The complaints being thrown arent really helping any discussion at all. They are just complaints from the rage train. Bring some substance to the discussion. If you think the Kinect is plotting your assassination or if you live on the Himalayas with no internet connection then MS has pretty much said they don't care about you. That sucks but its not worth discussing really. Its just pretty annoying to have to sift through all of the ridiculous comments just to find something substantive in this thread. I.E. whether cloud processing will actually be useful, or what their used game policy actually is and how it will affect things. What substance ? People are pissed about always online and sharing restrictions imposed by MS. There's nothing else to say about it but make jokes. There are no advantages to discuss about from a consumer perspective. MS argues that its because they want us to experience the future or some PR crap, but the fact is that these restrictions are mandatory. If the online experience is part of a great future, sure do advertises your online features; just do not make it mandatory to be online with 24h checks and cover that up under "we have a vision of the future". A good online experience is not synonym of restrictions to offline. In the end though, yeah you're right: if someone's not happy with it, there's nothing to do but go PS4 (or another). Still let us ridicule what most of us consider a dumb decisions followed by pathetic PR. Anyway in the end I just find it funny more than enraging; but that may be because I'm no Xb fan. If I were, and had hoped Xbone would be a great successor to X360 maybe I'd be more angry of the disappointment. This is the best Anti Xbox post I have seen all day. Yes having to check in every 24 hours is bad. Yes it leaves a lot of people out. The thing is, what is the point in discussing it particularly in an Xbox One thread? Start a thread titled "Xbone sucks" and go to town. But there is nothing to be done about the 24 hour check in. There is no way to convince someone that doesn't have internet to buy an Xbox because it would be dumb. But this relentless bashing is as pointless as someone from Kyrgyzstan going to a surfing enthusiast site and complaining that he's left out because he doesn't have access to an ocean. Xbox One requires users to have daily internet access, if you dont have daily internet access then you would be dumb to buy an Xbox one. No wiggle room there. Its not the product for you if you don't have access to the internet daily. I dont think that mods would be too happy with a thread that is purely to state all of the negative things about xbone. This is an xbone discussion thread, the good and bad are discussed in it. If you cant handle reading the bad, then dont. Agreed but not having internet isn't a discussion. Theres nothing to discuss. If you don't have internet then there is no discussion for you. You just don't have internet and can't use an Xbox one. What is there to discuss about that? Everyone agrees that that isn't good. Is there anything to add to that? So we should just ignore it then. Yes, correct. If you didn't have a kitchen, would you go to a cooking message board and complain about being left out? No because it would be pointless and childish. Always online stinks. No argument there. What can I add to it? What is the point in stating that over and over again page in and page out when no one is disagreeing with you? Email MS or contact the appropriate ISP or government official and start a petition for internet. I can't fix it, no one on this forum can fix it, no one disagrees with you. It has become a situation where the only reason to type it and post it is to complain without reason. We fix it by making it a huge deal so that awareness spreads about it and Microsoft is forced to fix it. That's what Capitalism is. If you think that we should talk about rampant anti-consumerism and anti-privacy once and then ignore it forever, I'm never going to convince you to see where we're coming from.
To be fair, I don't think any amount of complaining will do anything now that Microsoft has EA as a partner.
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On June 14 2013 07:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:/facepalm Show nested quote +Wow, this is some pretty crazy stuff. Microsoft is certainly in damage control mode with Xbox One right now. They're trying to sway people back in their direction. Apparently, one of the ways they're trying to do so is by hitting up Nintendo's Best Buy E3 Experience Event.
Believe it or not, multiple reports are coming in stating that Microsoft employees are hitting up the line and asking people why they would bother with Wii U when Xbox One is right around the corner. As you can see in the image above, there is indeed someone wearing a Microsoft shirt approaching people in line. This is just a bit too much for me! Source
Wow... That's so fucking stupid!
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On June 14 2013 07:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:/facepalm Show nested quote +Wow, this is some pretty crazy stuff. Microsoft is certainly in damage control mode with Xbox One right now. They're trying to sway people back in their direction. Apparently, one of the ways they're trying to do so is by hitting up Nintendo's Best Buy E3 Experience Event.
Believe it or not, multiple reports are coming in stating that Microsoft employees are hitting up the line and asking people why they would bother with Wii U when Xbox One is right around the corner. As you can see in the image above, there is indeed someone wearing a Microsoft shirt approaching people in line. This is just a bit too much for me! Source
I fucking LOL'd.
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On June 14 2013 07:46 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 07:42 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 07:35 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 07:28 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 07:20 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 06:52 TheRabidDeer wrote:On June 14 2013 06:48 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 06:16 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:53 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 05:43 jinorazi wrote:
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one of must defend his king against all atrocities I have no stock in MS. I would like to know more about it thought. The complaints being thrown arent really helping any discussion at all. They are just complaints from the rage train. Bring some substance to the discussion. If you think the Kinect is plotting your assassination or if you live on the Himalayas with no internet connection then MS has pretty much said they don't care about you. That sucks but its not worth discussing really. Its just pretty annoying to have to sift through all of the ridiculous comments just to find something substantive in this thread. I.E. whether cloud processing will actually be useful, or what their used game policy actually is and how it will affect things. What substance ? People are pissed about always online and sharing restrictions imposed by MS. There's nothing else to say about it but make jokes. There are no advantages to discuss about from a consumer perspective. MS argues that its because they want us to experience the future or some PR crap, but the fact is that these restrictions are mandatory. If the online experience is part of a great future, sure do advertises your online features; just do not make it mandatory to be online with 24h checks and cover that up under "we have a vision of the future". A good online experience is not synonym of restrictions to offline. In the end though, yeah you're right: if someone's not happy with it, there's nothing to do but go PS4 (or another). Still let us ridicule what most of us consider a dumb decisions followed by pathetic PR. Anyway in the end I just find it funny more than enraging; but that may be because I'm no Xb fan. If I were, and had hoped Xbone would be a great successor to X360 maybe I'd be more angry of the disappointment. This is the best Anti Xbox post I have seen all day. Yes having to check in every 24 hours is bad. Yes it leaves a lot of people out. The thing is, what is the point in discussing it particularly in an Xbox One thread? Start a thread titled "Xbone sucks" and go to town. But there is nothing to be done about the 24 hour check in. There is no way to convince someone that doesn't have internet to buy an Xbox because it would be dumb. But this relentless bashing is as pointless as someone from Kyrgyzstan going to a surfing enthusiast site and complaining that he's left out because he doesn't have access to an ocean. Xbox One requires users to have daily internet access, if you dont have daily internet access then you would be dumb to buy an Xbox one. No wiggle room there. Its not the product for you if you don't have access to the internet daily. I dont think that mods would be too happy with a thread that is purely to state all of the negative things about xbone. This is an xbone discussion thread, the good and bad are discussed in it. If you cant handle reading the bad, then dont. Agreed but not having internet isn't a discussion. Theres nothing to discuss. If you don't have internet then there is no discussion for you. You just don't have internet and can't use an Xbox one. What is there to discuss about that? Everyone agrees that that isn't good. Is there anything to add to that? So we should just ignore it then. Yes, correct. If you didn't have a kitchen, would you go to a cooking message board and complain about being left out? No because it would be pointless and childish. Always online stinks. No argument there. What can I add to it? What is the point in stating that over and over again page in and page out when no one is disagreeing with you? Email MS or contact the appropriate ISP or government official and start a petition for internet. I can't fix it, no one on this forum can fix it, no one disagrees with you. It has become a situation where the only reason to type it and post it is to complain without reason. We fix it by making it a huge deal so that awareness spreads about it and Microsoft is forced to fix it. That's what Capitalism is. If you think that we should talk about rampant anti-consumerism and anti-privacy once and then ignore it forever, I'm never going to convince you to see where we're coming from. There is no money in that, that's not capitalism that's called bitching. Complaining is offering coherent arguments for and against specific things in hopes of persuading people. Bitching is saying i don't like something over and over again until they give in.Capitalism would just not buy the product and let it die so Microsoft will adjust.
Correct. The hard truth is, MS knew what it was doing. If you think they just woke up one day and decided to require daily internet to use their product, you're being extremely naive. MS is focusing on the multi millions of people that have reliable internet. Thats their product guys. Thats what they are selling. They didn't assume that people without internet would be happy about it and still, for some reason buy an Xbox One. If you don't have reliable internet, then you arent a part of their plan.
They did their market research, just like every other company in the world does and they think that they will be fine without people that don't have internet. People say that voicing their dislike of the 24 hour check in will change something, it will not. You were already purposely left out of their plans. If they release the Xbox One and it's a complete flop, then they will fix it. But they have already decided that they won't have to. Again, they didn't just throw some stuff together and say "here you go, I hope you like it". They researched it and came to the conclusion that it would be fine.
And the problem with voicing your opinion on the internet is, so many of the outraged masses mad about the 24 hour check-in, have reliable internet. They are just bitching because thats what we do on the internet. People bitch and complain for no reason. Thats common with everything. We bitch about SC2 casters and tourneys and players. We bitch about games. We bitch about everything. Nothing new here. The same old same old.
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http://i.imgur.com/PMx0p38.jpg
Pretty good feature right there. Im actually really liking the sharing features so far. They should have done a better job explaining it.
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On June 14 2013 07:58 takingbackoj wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 07:46 semantics wrote:On June 14 2013 07:42 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 07:35 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 07:28 Fruscainte wrote:On June 14 2013 07:20 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 06:52 TheRabidDeer wrote:On June 14 2013 06:48 takingbackoj wrote:On June 14 2013 06:16 rezoacken wrote:On June 14 2013 05:53 takingbackoj wrote:
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I have no stock in MS. I would like to know more about it thought. The complaints being thrown arent really helping any discussion at all. They are just complaints from the rage train. Bring some substance to the discussion. If you think the Kinect is plotting your assassination or if you live on the Himalayas with no internet connection then MS has pretty much said they don't care about you. That sucks but its not worth discussing really.
Its just pretty annoying to have to sift through all of the ridiculous comments just to find something substantive in this thread. I.E. whether cloud processing will actually be useful, or what their used game policy actually is and how it will affect things. What substance ? People are pissed about always online and sharing restrictions imposed by MS. There's nothing else to say about it but make jokes. There are no advantages to discuss about from a consumer perspective. MS argues that its because they want us to experience the future or some PR crap, but the fact is that these restrictions are mandatory. If the online experience is part of a great future, sure do advertises your online features; just do not make it mandatory to be online with 24h checks and cover that up under "we have a vision of the future". A good online experience is not synonym of restrictions to offline. In the end though, yeah you're right: if someone's not happy with it, there's nothing to do but go PS4 (or another). Still let us ridicule what most of us consider a dumb decisions followed by pathetic PR. Anyway in the end I just find it funny more than enraging; but that may be because I'm no Xb fan. If I were, and had hoped Xbone would be a great successor to X360 maybe I'd be more angry of the disappointment. This is the best Anti Xbox post I have seen all day. Yes having to check in every 24 hours is bad. Yes it leaves a lot of people out. The thing is, what is the point in discussing it particularly in an Xbox One thread? Start a thread titled "Xbone sucks" and go to town. But there is nothing to be done about the 24 hour check in. There is no way to convince someone that doesn't have internet to buy an Xbox because it would be dumb. But this relentless bashing is as pointless as someone from Kyrgyzstan going to a surfing enthusiast site and complaining that he's left out because he doesn't have access to an ocean. Xbox One requires users to have daily internet access, if you dont have daily internet access then you would be dumb to buy an Xbox one. No wiggle room there. Its not the product for you if you don't have access to the internet daily. I dont think that mods would be too happy with a thread that is purely to state all of the negative things about xbone. This is an xbone discussion thread, the good and bad are discussed in it. If you cant handle reading the bad, then dont. Agreed but not having internet isn't a discussion. Theres nothing to discuss. If you don't have internet then there is no discussion for you. You just don't have internet and can't use an Xbox one. What is there to discuss about that? Everyone agrees that that isn't good. Is there anything to add to that? So we should just ignore it then. Yes, correct. If you didn't have a kitchen, would you go to a cooking message board and complain about being left out? No because it would be pointless and childish. Always online stinks. No argument there. What can I add to it? What is the point in stating that over and over again page in and page out when no one is disagreeing with you? Email MS or contact the appropriate ISP or government official and start a petition for internet. I can't fix it, no one on this forum can fix it, no one disagrees with you. It has become a situation where the only reason to type it and post it is to complain without reason. We fix it by making it a huge deal so that awareness spreads about it and Microsoft is forced to fix it. That's what Capitalism is. If you think that we should talk about rampant anti-consumerism and anti-privacy once and then ignore it forever, I'm never going to convince you to see where we're coming from. There is no money in that, that's not capitalism that's called bitching. Complaining is offering coherent arguments for and against specific things in hopes of persuading people. Bitching is saying i don't like something over and over again until they give in.Capitalism would just not buy the product and let it die so Microsoft will adjust. Correct. The hard truth is, MS knew what it was doing. If you think they just woke up one day and decided to require daily internet to use their product, you're being extremely naive. MS is focusing on the multi millions of people that have reliable internet. Thats their product guys. Thats what they are selling. They didn't assume that people without internet would be happy about it and still, for some reason buy an Xbox One. If you don't have reliable internet, then you arent a part of their plan. They did their market research, just like every other company in the world does and they think that they will be fine without people that don't have internet. People say that voicing their dislike of the 24 hour check in will change something, it will not. You were already purposely left out of their plans. If they release the Xbox One and it's a complete flop, then they will fix it. But they have already decided that they won't have to. Again, they didn't just throw some stuff together and say "here you go, I hope you like it". They researched it and came to the conclusion that it would be fine.
Microsoft actually has a continual problem with customer research and needs analysis, and they've historically been very bad at conveying benefits to customers, especially when it comes to features that force customers to change. It's a disconnect in their product development system between marketing and engineering. Granted, this is a common problem among many companies (including Sony and especially Nintendo) but having worked in this exact area, I have a problem with the phrase "they did their market research." Focus groups are not good market research for new product design. They're fine for post-launch research but they don't go deep into key areas and they only give you answers to the questions you want to ask. Most companies approach new product design closer to sink or swim than you think, and I've never heard word or seen an indication that MS's customer research is up to date.
Microsoft tends to look at things from the perspective of the engineer making the product rather than customers, and while they're correct that internet connection won't be an issue for the vast majority of people, they're still misunderstanding the customer needs in play.
It's not about an actual use case. Pickup truck owners very rarely need the towing capacity and horse power they cherish. For most tasks like towing jetskis or small boats, an SUV will do just fine. If they need a bed, they still usually only need a fraction of the power they're given. Yet they want it and it helps sell a whole lot of trucks. Maybe some day they might finally need it, or they just like the bragging rights and knowing it's there. That's what this is. That's the underlying need that MS is misjudging or ignoring. From the engineer's perspective, this seems illogical but that's not how good product design and selling works.
They have an objective in mind with the DRM and trade-in prohibition, but I think they've undervalued the cost to customers, haven't found a reasonable or elegant solution (the trading/sharing system they've created is needlessly complicated) and as usual, are doing a remarkably poor job of downplaying the shortcomings and selling the benefits/opportunities enabled.
Even with Kinect, for all of its power, MS hasn't made a compelling case for it. The case is there, and I've seen some small developers come closer to making it, but Microsoft hasn't.
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On June 14 2013 08:05 takingbackoj wrote:http://i.imgur.com/PMx0p38.jpgPretty good feature right there. Im actually really liking the sharing features so far. They should have done a better job explaining it.
One may find it sad that "sharing games with your family!" is now a bulletpoint and not a given.
Could give rise to some interesting game sharing like for PSN, the PS3 games could be downloaded on 5 consoles for one payment.
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On June 14 2013 08:26 RavenLoud wrote:One may find it sad that "sharing games with your family!" is now a bulletpoint and not a given. Could give rise to some interesting game sharing like for PSN, the PS3 games could be downloaded on 5 consoles for one payment.
If you read it, it's not sharing games with your actual family. Its about sharing games up to ten at a time to different people, not just family. It's also about those people getting all the DLC with it. Thats a good feature.
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