EPTThe fact that Psychographics seems doable now is all the better.
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
The fact that Psychographics seems doable now is all the better. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On May 24 2013 12:44 NeoIllusions wrote: You can bluff with PB, which is frankly the best part! :D Between PB and Ghost Branch, there's a lot of fun to be had. The fact that Psychographics seems doable now is all the better. There are a lot of players here in Portland that are super excited about Psychographics with the new set. I personally feel like it's kind of a trap, but I'm sure I'm going to lose to it next month, It is looking stronger than ever. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I've built decks testing the idea but it was always so clunky, even with Datapool. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On May 24 2013 13:03 NeoIllusions wrote: Why is it a trap? I'm pretty excited about it myself. I've never used PG before. :X I've built decks testing the idea but it was always so clunky, even with Datapool. Idk too focused on tons of tags, and not enough of a focus on other things. Cards like Psychographics, midseason replacements, sea source and big brother can just sit in your hand and do nothing, while your opponents are advancing their economy and game plan. There can definitely be decks that make it work, and like I said, when it does work it can be very effective. I'm just imagining from those forum/facebook posts, decks piling with do nothing cards and not enough economy/ice, proactive cards(some of these cards are too relying etc. Also how do you fit in closed accounts too, I love that card  . | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On May 24 2013 11:43 NeoIllusions wrote: That said, what do you guys think each of the identities are really missing right now? If HB sets the bar, what do the other three really want the most in future expansions? I feel like Jinteki is in a good spot, at least with PE. I haven't played Jinteki RP at all so that's still an entirely new side of Netrunner for me. NBN feels like its most lacking though, for reasons I've mentioned above. The main problem with NBN is its lack of synergy. I mean isn't it kind of ironic how usage of NBN ice is so prevalent in other decks while vertical NBN is about bluffing and FA while keeping the runner out as much as possible. Data Raven is more powerful on Weyland than it is on NBN, Tollbooth is more powerful on HB than it is on NBN, and its primarily due to income. The biggest problem right now is that NBN core heavily relies on traces. The only problem is, NBN never has any money so the traces always get eluded for almost no cost, if you do bother to waste all of your income on traces, then you have no follow up. First of all NBN could really benefit from some economy ice. A stronger popup window would be nice, I mean why the hell is Caduceus not on NBN, when Weyland shits money every time it does anything. Currently the way runner tackles NBN tactics is the exact opposite of what really should be happening. NBN should be about making the runner deal with always being tagged, not forcing them to pay them off as such. Its far too easy to avoid them, and even when you do get tagged its never so bad that you can't get rid of them. If the runner spends his time clearing tags he should get anything done, meaning that he has to live with them, in that situation the requirement that NBN needs ETR ice, economy and fast advance agendas in order to be viable becomes negligible. I think this is the way NBN was supposed to be, but it never ended up happening. However the up and coming expansion seems to cover this somewhat. The runner constantly being tagged would allow NBN to control the pace of the game and instead of playing reactively, NBN gets to play proactively because he is forcing the runner into certain situations. With scorched this could be a little overpowered but then again NBN has no ETR (for the sake of this example) so the runner does have a lot of options. Then instead of giving NBN expensive tier 1 ice it can't use, it should be satisfied with shitty everything, when you know that the runner cannot install resources and will always be in a situation which fits you. "Oh that's a pretty fat kati *TRASH, now if you want to get my agenda, you can have 4 more tags while I get money from econ ice, oh bank job, CLOSED ACCOUNTS" I mean who needs ice when the runner has no money or resources. currently it works a little that way, but against a good player, you will never find yourself using NBN event cards at a time which really suits. You won't even see Psychographics once in a blue moon, because its impossible to get more than one tag on a runner. | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
You just end up with a hand of psycho, closed, BB and two agendas and you can't do anything with any of them | ||
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Nobu
Spain550 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Edit: Should say, if you know the rules to NetRunner, I can walk you through OCTGN np. | ||
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Nobu
Spain550 Posts
On May 25 2013 03:29 NeoIllusions wrote: I've only played against randoms before on OCTGN though I'm teaching some TL LoL people how to play this game, who haven't play before, some time next week. They're all reading the rules and stuff this weekend. Edit: Should say, if you know the rules to NetRunner, I can walk you through OCTGN np. Just watched the tutorial video so I have not fully understood all the rules. Will try to get OCTGN working and try to read some more about rules while playing. Would be nice to get a channel if that is possible within OCTGN so we can play between us, especially if there are a bunch of complete noobs to the game between the LoL pack. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
We mostly hang out in Skype, you can add me there if you want. ^^ | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Pretty good review by Alexfrog. He's one of the users on BGG that I enjoy reading posts from. Funny how he agrees with our Corp rating from yesterday, hue. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On May 25 2013 10:07 NeoIllusions wrote: http://stimhack.com/future-proof-card-ratings/ Pretty good review by Alexfrog. He's one of the users on BGG that I enjoy reading posts from. Funny how he agrees with our Corp rating from yesterday, hue. He is a local for me, I drafted with him a few weeks ago(it was a trainwreck) ;P. Although he wasn't at last tournament cause he was sick. I think he's got pretty good odds at winning our regionals, I won't be there afterall..(jk). I think it's strange he thinks midseason replacements is a 4/5 I'm not sure it's that good since it is really dependent on the right chain of events to work. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
The more I look at Eli, the more I get mad at HB. Suchhhh a gud Ice. :< I'm surprised he put Corporate War so low. I think I like it more than something like Corporate Retreat. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On May 25 2013 10:36 NeoIllusions wrote: You talk with him often? Just curious. The more I look at Eli, the more I get mad at HB. Suchhhh a gud Ice. :< I'm surprised he put Corporate War so low. I think I like it more than something like Corporate Retreat. No don't talk with him often, have only played with him two separate occasions now(really nice guy though), just thought it was funny you mentioned him since he is local for me. But since he is part of the netrunner community here I'm sure I will see him again soon(maybe tomorrow idk if he is coming for saturday netrunner session). I love Eli, can't get mad at HB it's 1 influence!!! . I think corporate war is ok, I didn't see his rating but there are oftentimes where I score an agenda with less than 7 credits in my bank, and we all know that coming up from 0 credits is a pain, maybe that's his reasoning. I personally have a few decks that probably want it in it. I can imagine a weyland deck with corporate war and the hostile takeover card, maybe government contracts too, being interesting using your agendas to fuel an economy, you still need some economy cards of course, like transactions(got to pay for ice and advancement counters after all), but it will lessen the need for using economy assets etc, freeing up deck space. | ||
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Serek
United Kingdom459 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On May 25 2013 10:43 BlueBird. wrote: No don't talk with him often, have only played with him two separate occasions now(really nice guy though), just thought it was funny you mentioned him since he is local for me. But since he is part of the netrunner community here I'm sure I will see him again soon(maybe tomorrow idk if he is coming for saturday netrunner session). I love Eli, can't get mad at HB it's 1 influence!!! . I think corporate war is ok, I didn't see his rating but there are oftentimes where I score an agenda with less than 7 credits in my bank, and we all know that coming up from 0 credits is a pain, maybe that's his reasoning. I personally have a few decks that probably want it in it. I can imagine a weyland deck with corporate war and the hostile takeover card, maybe government contracts too, being interesting using your agendas to fuel an economy, you still need some economy cards of course, like transactions(got to pay for ice and advancement counters after all), but it will lessen the need for using economy assets etc, freeing up deck space. With them both being Barriers and 1 influence to splash, I guess it comes down to do Corps want to use Ice Wall or Eli. I'll probably still stick with Ice Wall. You could spend 4 for NBN and get 2 Ice Walls and 2 Elis I suppose, since NBN's Barrier options are limited to TMI and Static. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On May 26 2013 05:04 Serek wrote: I'm thinking of getting into this game, seems right up my alley. I was wondering if any UK-based players would share where they got their cards. Replies here or via PM would be appreciated. Thanks! I don't live in the UK however I also struggled to find places to buy cards, especially getting every expansion and cores. If you can't find what you need, you can buy off Amazon which is what I did for all my cards. | ||
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Nobu
Spain550 Posts
EDIT: Apparently the captcha wasn't showing under chrome, had to use IE. | ||
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SaetZero
United States855 Posts
butttttt i got my decks ready for testing + Show Spoiler + Deck Created with CardGameDB.com Android: Netrunner Deck Builder http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/netrunner/android-netrunner-deck-builder Identity: NBN: The World Is Yours* (Future Proof) Total Cards: (44) Agenda (11) Project Beale (Future Proof #115) x3 AstroScript Pilot Program (Core #81) x3 Breaking News (Core #82) x2 Corporate War (Future Proof #120) x1 False Lead (A Study in Static #80) x2 Asset (5) Melange Mining Corp (Core #108) x3 PAD Campaign (Core #109) x2 ICE (17) Eli 1.0 (Future Proof #110) x2 ■ Wall of Thorns (Core #78) x2 ■ Wall of Static (Core #113) x2 Draco (What Lies Ahead #20) x2 Flare (Future Proof #117) x2 Enigma (Core #111) x2 Tollbooth (Core #90) x3 Archer (Core #101) x1 ■■ Ichi 1.0 (Core #62) x1 ■■ Operation (8) Biotic Labor (Core #59) x1 ■■■■ Closed Accounts (Core #84) x2 Foxfire (Humanity's Shadow #100) x1 Hedge Fund (Core #110) x3 SEA Source (Core #86) x1 Upgrade (3) Red Herrings (Core #91) x2 SanSan City Grid (Core #92) x1 Total Agenda Points: 18 Influence Values Totals - Haas-Bioroid: 8 Jinteki: 2 NBN: 23 The Weyland Consortium: 2 what is it? nbn semi solid reasonable ice, decent income from melange and ice that can protect it, and a lot of agendas i never actually have to advance on the board if i dont want to. plays to keep pressure up. you want to put them into a 'my next agenda wins' scenario then let them take tons of risks to stop you + Show Spoiler + Deck Created with CardGameDB.com Android: Netrunner Deck Builder http://www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/netrunner/android-netrunner-deck-builder Identity: Kate "Mac" McCaffrey: Digital Tinker (Core) Total Cards: (45) Event (12) Special Order (Core #22) x3 ■■ Surge (Humanity's Shadow #81) x1 ■ Diesel (Core #34) x3 Infiltration (Core #49) x3 Sure Gamble (Core #50) x2 Hardware (9) Lemuria Codecracker (Core #23) x1 ■ Dyson Mem Chip (Trace Amount #28) x2 R&D Interface (Future Proof #107) x3 The Personal Touch (Core #40) x3 Program (11) Crescentus (A Study in Static #65) x3 ■ Creeper (Humanity's Shadow #89) x1 Crypsis (Core #51) x3 Snowball (Trace Amount #27) x2 ZU.13 Key Master (What Lies Ahead #7) x1 Magnum Opus (Core #44) x1 Resource (13) Mr. Li (Future Proof #105) x2 ■■ Kati Jones (Humanity's Shadow #91) x3 New Angeles City Hall (Future Proof #109) x2 The Helpful AI (What Lies Ahead #8) x3 Underworld Contact (A Study in Static #69) x3 Influence Values Totals - Anarch: 1 Criminal: 14 Shaper: 33 what is this one? shaper crypsis-focused tons of econ thats click effecient, ideal rig is crypsis/cresentus/snowball/something, designed to make hard calls to get in. needs game sense to work. been playing both these decks in this style since i started that game at what lies ahead beale means i dont need 3 point agendas anymore, and that was the last piece of the puzzle to me. the new id, while not amazing, fixes the 2 problems i always had with nbn (i want melange faster, and i want less agendas/ice in my deck). so im using it. shapers been a work in progress, but its finally at a good spot. RD interface fixes up my style with added punch of power, while not hurting anything else in my current deck. trading mr li for my current snitch is also nice as that has much more utility. super excited for those 2 cards alone. | ||
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