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On May 23 2013 17:00 BlueBird. wrote:
I find playing AGAINST TnB(Weyland or OOF NBN and Jinteki splashing Scorched Earth) fun actually there are some tense decision points. They have multiple routes to victory and make you care about your tags, which sometimes you can just ignore otherwise. I don't think they are that mindless to play either, maybe sometimes? If you think about making them run into tags as run into traps, you can have some fun with it. Of course the Breaking News or Posted Bounty sitting out in to score + SE + SE is going to kill them or you, but you can sometimes predict that and steal the agenda point or have to force your opponent in to running/spending resources elsewhere.



I don't find FA too be TOO scary as a runner, I can usually take the match if the corp tries to play a slow game putting together Biotic Labors or Trick of Lights + 2 point agendas, but I do think it's one of the safer ways to play a tournament match, due to prestige scoring.

I personally don't find the game stale or boring right now, but that's just me. It would be annoying if everyone ran the same exact deck but that's just not true this is the meta breakdown for the tournament I was in,



Corp:
* 6x HB1:EtF(One of these was me, I think 2 of these were FA varients, and 1 was a big ice varient)
* 4x Weyland1:BaBW (2 were TNB)
* 5x NBN1:MN
* 1x Jinteki1: PE
* 1x Jinteki2:RP

Runner:
* 5x Noise(1 of these were me, almost all of them were Workshop Noise decks)
* 3x Gabriel Santiago
* 3x Andromeda
* 1x Kate "Mac" McCaffrey
* 5x Chaos Theory


To be fair apparently the last tournament had worse breakdown according to this guys tournament report(all HB basically), but this was my first tournament.(http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/979931/pdx-netrunner-tournament-2-electric-boogaloo-repor) Maybe in a few months I'll be bored with the meta as well, but they have pretty frequent releases and I don't play as much as I would play something like Magic Online(where I play everyday) I play about once or twice a week with Netrunner and don't get all that many games in.

If your meta/playgroup stagnates that really sucks though, personally I like to mess around with a different deck all the time, so I'm taking a Whizzard (probably not going to work out well) and NBN to play at a LGS get together tonight.

I was going to take Andromeda but I haven't finished a deck list yet.

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On May 24 2013 07:59 NeoIllusions wrote:
NBN identity looks like trash until you realize it's 40/12. Thinner decks for Corp is definitely counter intuitive and 12 is just enough for 3 SEs.

Fk, so many new cards, I can't keep up. Wat dew?

On May 24 2013 08:06 BlueBird. wrote:


Yeah I see the correlation with Scorched Earths, but then you lose some other things , I haven't looked it up but do you still need 20 agenda points with 40 cards? That means 1/4 cards is an agenda.

On May 24 2013 09:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
I'm partial to Ronin because it just adds another facet to the shell game when playing as Jinteki. From the Corp side (maybe it's just in my head) but I feel like it's usually obvious when it's a Junebug. Sure I've bluffed my share of agendas as Jinteki but flatlining is definitely the most fun way to play the identity but it happens the least with Junebug.

Burke Bugs seems like you'd splash into NBN for fun since it's just 1 influence. You're never going to rez it unless it's a guarantee kill. Seems somewhat lightweight but there's definitely a dearth of trashing program cards, so BB opens the option.

Dedicate Response Team on Weyland itself seems meh. Not like Weyland has many options of racking up tags. I feel like it's more potent in the new HB identity with increased influence. Splash NBN tagging with DRT and it has more uses. As it is now, it's like a surprise 2 Meat Damage for Weyland but hell, everyone tries their damnedest to remove tags vs Weyland ayways.

On May 24 2013 09:59 sluggaslamoo wrote:


Yeah gameplay-wise I guess Weyland doesn't need more TnB, but thematically it makes sense. Weyland seems like that futuristic draconian corporation who will stop at nothing to get back at the runners. Still I think its universally useful for corps, when you have runners that try to run through Data Ravens to mill that last agenda from R&D.

The reason Junebug is obvious is that you are never going to leave an agenda with tokens on it for more than one turn, now you have Ronin which you can do just that. This makes bluffs and traps much more believable. You can now leave junebugs with tokens on it, and the runner may think its a ronin. This causes the runner to waste time refilling his hand every time he gets damaged because he doesn't wanna die from ronin + neural emp combos.

I think Ronin will make Junebug a lot more powerful. You aren't going to just throw 4 down tokens willy nilly, you are going to put a few on and wait for an opportune time, like when the Runner hits a snare, and doesn't refill his hand. Imagine a shell game where you have 2 ronins down each with 3 tokens on it. The next turn the runner is almost guaranteed to die.

Now here comes the leveling aspect, if you do this, the runner will believe you have 2 ronins with 3 tokens on it, so instead you make one of them a junebug or an agenda depending on what you think the runners state of mind is going to be. If hes scared to run and wastes money on public sympathy and drawing, make it an agenda, if hes gungho about clearing out ronins, make it a triple advanced junebug.

On May 24 2013 11:29 NeoIllusions wrote:
Eli is such a good ice, almost redeems HB: Stronger Together, hahaha. HB needs a few more cost-efficient ice and maybe will shift away from the lame FA variant. But it's hard to beat HB: EtF's passive. So much money for free.

I missed Indexing the first time around, feels like a trollsy Precog.

Ruhr Valley seems ok. The 6 cost is off putting since I don't consider it the same level as SanSan.

Hopefully we'll see a lot more NBN play with these cards. FFG is starting to flesh out NBN a bit more and they're starting to have a good feel to them. I'm still hoping for better ice for them. Tollbooth, feels better with other identities than NBN itself. Better tracers still plz. I agree with you on Flare's cost. The fact that their income is on par with Jinteki really says something.

On May 24 2013 10:49 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
new set looks interesting. NBN feels a bit trashy IMO. If they'd left you with 15 influence it would have been solid, as it is I'd be hard pressed to pick that over the default, especially with things like midseason and burke making those 2 free credits way more attractive.

I think shaper gets the pick of the runner cards this round, not only with three solid cards that synergise with a shaper's style of play, but synergise heavily with each other as well. medium dig shaper never looked so fine.

for corps, annoyingly it's HB again. Both of those cards are superb in the current meta. Eli is just on that perfect line of usability at 3 cost and generally being 4 to break through (assuming corroder) properly, or two clicks otherwise. Perfect for synergising with other bioroid ice, since those are subroutines you HAVE to click through if you don't have a barrier breaker.
as if HB needed more early ETR ice.

and that regional server is incredible, by far the best we've seen, even considering sansan. NBN struggles to get the cash to rez a sansan, HB won't struggle to get this thing out, at which point ichi and heimdall become unavoidable pain, even if you facecheck on click 1.


NbN gets a solid boost this pack, but oddly not from its own stuff. Flare is the wrong side of playable thanks to the crim-narch meta and the fact NBN can't afford to burn 9 credits on a piece of ice which is still going to get broken for 7-8 creds even if the runner doesn't have a sentry breaker. 9 credits for some surprise pain might be good in other factions, but flare is 3 inf to splash.

Midseason is interesting and super powerful in the right places. It singlehandedly makes psychographics viable, but you really need a very high economy deck to make it work, which NBN can have trouble managing. You really have to build a deck around it, and it needs to be an NBN deck.

The real winner for NBN this time is burke bugs. 0 cost ice is never bad and with those recurring credits you can really annoy people with the bugs. breakerless anarch has really got to waste a parasite on it, criminal needs to put crypsis tokens into it, shaper has to be careful of it early while their rig is still getting set. And only 1 splash cost, which is the kicker.

My top 5 from the set are (in no real order)
1) data leak reversal
2) indexing
3) burke bugs
4) ronin
5) ruhr valley

I'll be trying the HB bioroid ID when this comes out and an NBN trace centric build.

Will try some anarch heavy CT tempo as well, perhaps.

On May 24 2013 12:37 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
project Beale is pretty important to the overall game structure, but on its own it's a pretty terrible card. In realistic terms it's either a 2 for 3 or a 3 for 5 with zero benefits. When you consider what other 2 for 3s or 3 for 5s do for you, PB is terribad. NBN suffers from the problem that they have the clear best agenda in the game with astroscript, and if they get another one which isn't terrible they'll actually be a viable faction. Which we just can't have, clearly.

I imagine that if you build a tower of pain nbn beale gives you some interesting options, since no matter how far you advance it it's only worth 2 to the runner, meaning you can take some serious risks, but to do so you're going to cripple yourself spending up to do it and get no lasting benefit other than agenda points, and that's just not what the NBN cardset is built to do, currently.