EPTSo I just used dataleak until he ran out of cards and won.
he let you keep it? with 24 tags on you?
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A crib sheet, for those attempting to learn NetRunner over OCTGN. | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
he let you keep it? with 24 tags on you? | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On May 31 2013 16:43 NeoIllusions wrote: Bet that NBN wished he had/drew some Psychographics. Yeah I was waiting for it, even so he would have needed 3 of them in hand to win. On May 31 2013 17:47 Thereisnosaurus wrote: he let you keep it? with 24 tags on you? Yeah he wasn't keeping track and he only had 7 or so cards left. Second game he got rid of it immediately but it was too late, I just ran archives and before I knew it I had 12 agenda pts. Also future proof out now on Amazon. :D (edit: damn they don't ship to australia anymore) | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
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sluggaslamoo
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On May 31 2013 18:42 Thereisnosaurus wrote: should be up in blackburn in a couple of weeks then. You going to the next game night? or do you wanna come over here to play sometime Hopefully, although it will probably be 3-5 weeks considering that's when Angus&Rob is bringing it in. Better chat on skype :D | ||
Nyovne
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Loving Memory
United States70 Posts
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On June 01 2013 13:08 Loving Memory wrote: I don't think I understand this game. My brother just absolutely smashed me while we were playing the beginner set with Jinteki vs. Shaper. It seems like the Shaper just grew stronger and stronger and eventually just blew through everything Jinteki could put up using a Magnum Opus fueled Crypsis. How am I supposed to deal with that? If the runer runs aggressively using the starter decks than the runner has a good advantage due to the fact there aren't that many ETR ice in the starters. If you guys build your own decks, then only using the core set the corporation is pretty strong(at least compared to the current state of things). The runner gets better in later expansions when you add things like Personal Workshop, Emergency Shutdown, etc. Yes Magnum Opus + Crypsis is pretty strong, and with Jinteki you can either trick your opponent in to traps or try to aggressively advance agendas when they think they are traps. All the starter decks run infiltration so this isn't the easiest thing in the world. The other corporation factions in the core are better because of their ice. | ||
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renlynn
United States276 Posts
I used to play it all the time with my dad like 15 years ago | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On June 01 2013 13:21 renlynn wrote: holy shit this game is still alive haha I used to play it all the time with my dad like 15 years ago That was Netrunner . That game surely did die. This is a relaunch/redo of that game that came out last year with it's first release, under the FFG LCG model. | ||
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Loving Memory
United States70 Posts
On June 01 2013 13:15 BlueBird. wrote: If the runer runs aggressively using the starter decks than the runner has a good advantage due to the fact there aren't that many ETR ice in the starters. If you guys build your own decks, then only using the core set the corporation is pretty strong(at least compared to the current state of things). The runner gets better in later expansions when you add things like Personal Workshop, Emergency Shutdown, etc. Yes Magnum Opus + Crypsis is pretty strong, and with Jinteki you can either trick your opponent in to traps or try to aggressively advance agendas when they think they are traps. All the starter decks run infiltration so this isn't the easiest thing in the world. The other corporation factions in the core are better because of their ice. Yeah, there were some definite trap opportunities that I missed (too much defense on top of Junebug, various snares, etc). What is ETR? | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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BlueBird.
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
Unfortunately, you played with jinteki- the most technical pressure faction- vs shaper- the most forgiving snowball faction. it's like bronze level PvZ. If you don't know when to time your push, hit your forcefields and stop the growth, you get run over 90% of the time. I'd recommend playing HB or Weyland vs shaper to begin with, they scale a bit more evenly against each other. Weyland if you liked the aggressive aspects of jinteki, HB if you enjoyed the build optimisation/mindgames part | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On June 01 2013 13:08 Loving Memory wrote: I don't think I understand this game. My brother just absolutely smashed me while we were playing the beginner set with Jinteki vs. Shaper. It seems like the Shaper just grew stronger and stronger and eventually just blew through everything Jinteki could put up using a Magnum Opus fueled Crypsis. How am I supposed to deal with that? Especially at the beginner levels runner generally has a higher winrate than corp. The better you get that margin decreases significantly, there are many competitive players that prefer to play corp over runner. You also picked Jinteki which is one of the more difficult factions to play, and when you don't do it right it feels like your ice are worthless once the runner has his breakers. As for your actual question, the easiest way to deal with Crypsis is to build towers in front of your most vital servers. Crypsis needs virus tokens to get through ice, the maximum amount of virus tokens a runner can put on per turn is 4. This will ensure that the runner can only run once a turn or even never (if you wipe those counters). Wiping virus counters will ensure that the runner will never be able to get through your ice while you just build economy from assets which don't require clicks. Once corp has a lot of money over the runner the corp becomes in control of the game and the runner will find it difficult to play effectively. Corp can just keep install more ice until it is impossible for the crypsis only runner to reach your agendas which you can just safely advance. Once you are 2 points from victory and the runner has painstakingly built up enough resources to run, throw down a junebug and watch him cry when he hits it. | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
On June 01 2013 15:41 sluggaslamoo wrote: Especially at the beginner levels runner generally has a higher winrate than corp. The better you get that margin decreases significantly, there are many competitive players that prefer to play corp over runner. You also picked Jinteki which is one of the more difficult factions to play, and when you don't do it right it feels like your ice are worthless once the runner has his breakers. As for your actual question, the easiest way to deal with Crypsis is to build towers in front of your most vital servers. Crypsis needs virus tokens to get through ice, the maximum amount of virus tokens a runner can put on per turn is 4. This will ensure that the runner can only run once a turn or even never (if you wipe those counters). Wiping virus counters will ensure that the runner will never be able to get through your ice while you just build economy from assets which don't require clicks. Once corp has a lot of money over the runner the corp becomes in control of the game and the runner will find it difficult to play effectively. Corp can just keep install more ice until it is impossible for the crypsis only runner to reach your agendas which you can just safely advance. Once you are 2 points from victory and the runner has painstakingly built up enough resources to run, throw down a junebug and watch him cry when he hits it. Curious that you find runners have advantage at beginner level, corp seemed to win between me and my gf until we started playing more aggressively and stopped being scared to run face down stuff | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On June 01 2013 16:03 BlueBird. wrote: Curious that you find runners have advantage at beginner level, corp seemed to win between me and my gf until we started playing more aggressively and stopped being scared to run face down stuff Generally beginners run shaper, and beginner corps tend to wait too long to score their agendas where it gets to the point where shaper just waits for the corp to put down an agenda and the runner can just get it. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Thereisnosaurus
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + sluggaslamoo's Start-of-Turn Effects --> sluggaslamoo's Personal Workshop removes 1 power marker from Femme Fatale :::==============================::: => Chaos Theory (sluggaslamoo) has woken up. They have 23 ¥ and 4 ⌚ for this turn. +++ Processing. Please Hold... sluggaslamoo targets 'Card' ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #1 to prep with Vamp. --> sluggaslamoo uses Vamp's ability to starts a run on HQ. --- zealios does not rez approached ICE sluggaslamoo's Successful Run Effects --> Vamp triggers to Lose 12 ¥. --> Vamp triggers to force zealios to Lose 12 ¥. --> Vamp triggers to Gain 1 Tags. --> Vamp triggers to Trash Vamp. :::==============================::: Chaos Theory has successfully run the HQ server Chaos Theory has jacked out of their run on the HQ server ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #2 and trashes All-nighter to use its ability in order to gain 2 ⌚. ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #3 and trashes All-nighter to use its ability in order to gain 2 ⌚. ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #4 to activate Data Leak Reversal in order to trash 1 cards from zealios's R&D. ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #5 to activate Data Leak Reversal in order to trash 1 cards from zealios's R&D. ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #6 to activate Data Leak Reversal in order to trash 1 cards from zealios's R&D. ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #7 to activate Data Leak Reversal in order to trash 1 cards from zealios's R&D. ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #8 to activate Data Leak Reversal in order to trash 1 cards from zealios's R&D. => Chaos Theory (sluggaslamoo) has gone to sleep for the day. Turn 25: zealios <sluggaslamoo> let me know before you decide to trash workshop <sluggaslamoo> because i can still install before you trash ==zealios's Start-of-Turn Effects=== --> zealios performs the turn's mandatory draw. :::==============================::: => The offices of Haas-Bioroid (zealios) are now open for business. They have 0 ¥ and 3 ⌚ for this turn. ⌚ zealios uses Click #1 to install a card. --> zealios activates Haas-Bioroid to Gain 1 ¥. ⌚ zealios uses Click #2 and receives 1 ¥. ⌚ zealios uses Click #3 and receives 1 ¥. => Haas-Bioroid (zealios) has reached CoB (Close of Business hours). Turn 26: sluggaslamoo sluggaslamoo's Start-of-Turn Effects --> sluggaslamoo's Personal Workshop removes 1 power marker from Femme Fatale :::==============================::: => Chaos Theory (sluggaslamoo) has woken up. They have 11 ¥ and 4 ⌚ for this turn. :::Reminder::: Chaos Theory is Tagged! sluggaslamoo targets 'Card' +++ Processing. Please Hold... ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #1 to prep with Infiltration. sluggaslamoo attempts to expose target card. You peeked at Adonis Campaign. You are not currently jacked-in. ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #2 to activate Remote Server in order to start a run on Remote. sluggaslamoo targets 'Card' --- zealios does not rez approached ICE sluggaslamoo targets 'Card' --- zealios does not rez approached ICE sluggaslamoo targets 'Card' sluggaslamoo paid 3 ¥ to ⏏ Adonis Campaign Chaos Theory has jacked out of their run on the Remote server ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #3 to activate Data Leak Reversal in order to trash 1 cards from zealios's R&D. ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #4 to activate Data Leak Reversal in order to trash 1 cards from zealios's R&D. => Chaos Theory (sluggaslamoo) has gone to sleep for the day. Turn 27: zealios ==zealios's Start-of-Turn Effects=== --> zealios performs the turn's mandatory draw. :::==============================::: => The offices of Haas-Bioroid (zealios) are now open for business. They have 3 ¥ and 3 ⌚ for this turn. ⌚ zealios uses Click #1 and receives 1 ¥. ⌚ zealios uses Click #2 and receives 1 ¥. ⌚ zealios uses Click #3 and pays 5 ¥ to initiate Hedge Fund. --> zealios uses Hedge Fund's ability to gain 9 ¥. => Haas-Bioroid (zealios) has reached CoB (Close of Business hours). Turn 28: sluggaslamoo sluggaslamoo's Start-of-Turn Effects --> sluggaslamoo's Personal Workshop removes 1 power marker from Femme Fatale :::==============================::: => Chaos Theory (sluggaslamoo) has woken up. They have 8 ¥ and 4 ⌚ for this turn. :::Reminder::: Chaos Theory is Tagged! ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #1 to activate Data Leak Reversal in order to trash 1 cards from zealios's R&D. ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #2 to activate Data Leak Reversal in order to trash 1 cards from zealios's R&D. ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #3 to activate Data Leak Reversal in order to trash 1 cards from zealios's R&D. ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #4 to activate Data Leak Reversal in order to trash 1 cards from zealios's R&D. => Chaos Theory (sluggaslamoo) has gone to sleep for the day. Turn 29: zealios ==zealios's Start-of-Turn Effects=== --> zealios performs the turn's mandatory draw. :::==============================::: => The offices of Haas-Bioroid (zealios) are now open for business. They have 9 ¥ and 3 ⌚ for this turn. ⌚ zealios uses Click #1 to install a card. --> zealios activates Haas-Bioroid to Gain 1 ¥. ⌚ zealios uses Click #2 and paid 1 ¥ to advance a card. ⌚ zealios uses Click #3 and pays 1 ¥ to initiate Trick of Light. zealios uses the ability of Trick of Light. zealios moves 1 Advancement marker(s) from Card to Card zealios moves 1 Advancement marker(s) from Card to Card zealios scores Project Vitruvius and receives 2 agenda point(s) => Haas-Bioroid (zealios) has reached CoB (Close of Business hours). Turn 30: sluggaslamoo sluggaslamoo's Start-of-Turn Effects --> sluggaslamoo's Personal Workshop removes 1 power marker from Femme Fatale :::==============================::: => Chaos Theory (sluggaslamoo) has woken up. They have 8 ¥ and 4 ⌚ for this turn. :::Reminder::: Chaos Theory is Tagged! ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #1 to activate Data Leak Reversal in order to trash 1 cards from zealios's R&D. ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #2 to activate Data Leak Reversal in order to trash 1 cards from zealios's R&D. ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #3 to activate Data Leak Reversal in order to trash 1 cards from zealios's R&D. You are not currently jacked-in. ⌚ sluggaslamoo uses Click #4 to activate Archives in order to start a run on Archives. sluggaslamoo liberates False Lead and receives 1 agenda point(s) sluggaslamoo liberates Accelerated Beta Test and receives 2 agenda point(s) sluggaslamoo liberates False Lead and receives 1 agenda point(s) sluggaslamoo liberates Private Security Force and receives 2 agenda point(s) sluggaslamoo wins the game! <zealios> gg Please wait. Submitting Game Stats... Thanks for playing. Please submit any bugs or feature requests on github. -- https://github.com/db0/Android-Netrunner-OCTGN/issues Chaos Theory has successfully run the Archives server <sluggaslamoo> gg zealios has left the game. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
http://84.205.248.92/slaghund/slagview.aspx I thought it was really interesting about the commentators saying how if you are good at the game and therefore know how to manage your econ you should use "stronger together". Ironically "stronger together" has by far the worst winrate with 32% while "engineering the future" has by far the highest with 52%. Amazing how extra 1 credit per turn makes a huge difference. Also the new NBN identity is statistically a lot stronger than the old which is surprising, but I don't know if that's because the new cards are making NBN stronger overall, causing the statistics to skew a bit. Andro by far the strongest, with Gabe trailing behind second this is no surprise with HB being so strong, and Crim being good against HB. Shaper by far the weakest, with CT only slightly better than Kate, no surprise given the FA meta though. This may completely change in weeks to come. | ||
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