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On December 17 2014 14:13 killerdog wrote:
What do you think is going to happen when guilds start having killed avatus?
I Dont think that Enigma will need to kick people to make a 20 man raid in DS work. Enough people will leave to make this not an issue.
I will go into a little more detail on why I am quitting because you all are right there, already.
1. The main reason, is the complete failure of updating content that they know to be broken. They have no problem pushing to roll out a patch to fix something they dont like. No more than 2 weeks after we, and Voodoo killed Gloomclaw did they change the fight completely adding in new mechanics and modifying the units. Yet, we wipe to unkillable elemental pairs for over 3 months before a patch update. The fact that Avatus has not died yet does not show how hard Raiding content is. It shows what a failure their patch team is to get content updated and working in a timely manner.
2. The game isnt going into a direction I see myself playing. They were going to go for content content content. Amazing story line, and all this jazz. 6 months into the game. I still have no idea to where this game is heading. And they have not hinted towards anything about a new raid. Drop 4 is nothing to cream my pants over, just shit that should have been in the game before they released it and are now releasing it.
A boss in a box is a joke. ok its like gruuls lair in BC. 2 bosses and you are done. I want Ulduar/ ICC/ BT / Sunwell. I dont want a boss in the box. I and several other people see nothing in the foreseeable future. 6 - 8 months until another DS raid comes along? I wont wait that long. And then another 6 - 7 months of trying to patch buggy bosses and buggy content. I will pass.
3. Enigma as a guild is not how i wanted it or envisioned it becoming. I joined with a very good, very elite group of people. It made me strive to be good at the game. It made me want to fight to get to number 1. The move to 40 man was a big one and due to the plays we HAD to acquire, the skill level went down and the stupidity went up. I am not going to name names, as we got some AMAZING plays with the additional numbers we had to get, but they did not strive to get better. They were fine not having all their gear with the best slots/full runes (8)/ect. And it is taxing to strive to be so good, and have people hold you back because they are ok with just being second best.
4. Personal life - I can take hard core raiding. For 1, 2, 3 months to try go for world firsts. and again this ties into the main reason, number 1, of why i stopped playing. But 6 months of hard core fucking raiding is too much. To give you an idea, i was raiding Saturday - Thursday 5 hours+ per night, for 6 months. I started interfering with plans that i made in the winter because I didnt see T1 content taking this long to clear. I could have stopped raiding for an entire month, but then its farm and blah blah blah. Again, not worth my time.
5. I want to stream and couldn't and it made me sad.
Wildstar has the BEST combat system in an MMO. They have an AMAZING raid/dungeon team. Just lacking right now. I might come back at a later time.
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On December 18 2014 03:12 Laurens wrote:I didn't think WoW was the shining example of quick new content  I really like wildstar's drop system, new content every 3 months. Drop 4 brings a new dungeon, veteran shiphands, and DS 20. That's easily enough content to fill 3 months. Drop 5 currently only has the boss in a box, but I'm sure more will be added, it's just not known yet.
WoW takes a break of a year (which they said like 3 times they REALLY want to cut down on, lol) but at the end of it, they do show up with a new continent, usually a new class/race, 15 raid bosses - and then 2 months later, there's a major content patch with a new zone. 4 months after that, there's another datascape sized raid. 7, 8 months later - another one. Wildstar just doesn't seem to have the manpower and/or skill, budget etc behind it to be able to do that. GA and Datascape were nice, but i get the impression that it took them years to make.
Unfortunately a new dungeon and shiphands are not really very relevant to me as a player, and DS being changed to 20 man won't actually change it all that much. It will unlock it for those that didn't do it, but for Enigma, Eugenic, it's all the same stuff. I had a free pass to Eugenic without even going through applications and i didn't take it already, that's the only place i could go back to. I don't see an active raiding scene a year from now, even if they delivered content then. When IN quit they had quite a big bank of players from merges coming from failed guilds, but they bled them out until they quit themselves. Went to Eugenic - they had 32 players, probably same story. Even 3 months from now, who's still gonna be raiding? It's all about the community and it's terrible to be forced into specific guilds just because there is no other option. My WoW guild is performing great and we're like rank 30'th on the server, and then there's like 30 other servers, i'd never run out of guilds to look at
Sad to see you go, Bradwan~
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Dang this is depressing to read.
While I never was a top-anything raider, I did raid 6 days a week on EQ (go Eci Public!), with an optional 7th to get people's Epic2.0 done. I was such a dkp whore and hated when real life gets in the way of my raid attendance. It was pathetic. The funny thing is I never felt the burnout, not even during the piece of shit Gates expansion with unpronounceable names. Maybe our raid team was more enjoyable or something, which helps a lot.
There are too many options (not limited to MMOs) on the market, people have less and less patience for slow and buggy content. But Drop 4 looks really promising mostly for the non-hardcores, they should have split some stuff for Drop 3. Sadly I don't think the PvP scene will recover.
Also, what's the story on Zybak's permaban?
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Friend copy pasted this quote this to me, so I don't know how reliable it is.
Zybak got banned because he was using Autohotkey to automate his entire Warrior DPS Rotation. Just look at one of his videos or streams and you will notice several checkmarks at the top right corner. These checkmarks are auramastery-auras which indicates which ability (rampage, breaching strike and so on) is ready / or should be used at the moment.
With Autohotkey (which is a very powerful tool to automate keystrokes/clicks) he is able to capture a certain pixel at his screen. For example, if the pixel with the coordinate (x/y) is yellow (rgb value), then it means, that breaching strikes is up. In this way, autohotkey similutates the keystrokes according to his Wildstar keybindings and the captured pixels.
Since WildStar also supports "Hold to continue casting", this is even a lot easier to setup, then in other games. Its realy really easy and just totally obvious.
PS: All his bullshit about his little metal thing on top of his keyboard or other excuses are just nonsense. He was basically just pressing down one button to do max dps.
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People started accusing him of this ~3 months ago, took Carbine long enough to confirm if it's the case
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So at launch there were many issues reported by people with ATI / AMD hardware, have any of these issues been solved so far? Currently looking for a new game to play.
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On December 19 2014 19:31 buMf00d wrote:
So at launch there were many issues reported by people with ATI / AMD hardware, have any of these issues been solved so far? Currently looking for a new game to play.
There has been some improvement but there are two major issues that carbine can do nothing about:
1; Recent AMD CPU's, as in 2011+, are using the Bulldozer architecture (or something developed from that) which has very poor singlethreaded performance. It's not really better than their Phenom II CPU's (which were slightly worse than competing Intel CPU's at the time) which means that if you have any AMD CPU, it's basically ~2008-2009 level performance at best for singlethreaded performance. Many games and tasks are hugely reliant on singlethreaded performance, Wildstar, sc2, WoW etc included - which means Intel CPU's have a free ~1.5x performance lead over AMD's very old or newer CPU's, even the very cheap Intel CPU's.
2; Nvidia has a huge advantage in CPU performance with their directx 11 driver. They put a lot of work into optimizing it, partially as a response to AMD developing Mantle for some games. As a result, Mantle performs a little bit better than Nvidia's Directx11 performance, but anything using directx on radeon hardware that is CPU bound has terrible performance compared to running it on Nvidia. That accounts for a 1.5x performance difference quite often.
Here's some data to back up 2; ~
Firstly, the Frostbite engine on high end Nvidia and AMD graphics in a CPU limited situation:
![[image loading]](http://cdn.overclock.net/8/86/86444eea_http--www.gamegpu.ru-images-stories-Test_GPU-Action-Plants_vs._Zombies_Garden_Warfare-test-PVZ_proz_radeon.jpeg)
vs
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Battlefield 4 on a 4770k (at stock or overclock, i forgot) in a mostly CPU bound situation, compare the Radeon DX11 performance to the Geforce with 337.50
![[image loading]](http://cdn.overclock.net/f/f2/f2b0a642_i7_bf4_1280.png)
Performance in the Star Swarm stress test, an application made to demonstrate the performance of Mantle, after Nvidia's driver improvements and AMD not making similar improvements on directx:
![[image loading]](http://cdn.overclock.net/6/64/645c13a2_i7_sw_1920.png)
Some of these are a little old and in that case both sides have improved since the April 7'th release of 337.50 - but the gap is still there in similar proportions.
For a very similar game example, World of Warcraft in a mostly CPU bound situation:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SoU3uL4.png)
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So here are two problems: Firstly, that the CPU hardware is just not good at performing some tasks, it needs certain types of workloads to stay on par and for many games it's very difficult, expensive or even downright impossible to make them perform closely on those CPU's compared to midrange Intel CPU's. The second problem is with the GPU drivers, which is the fault of AMD's driver team tunnelvisioning on Mantle and will unfortunately probably never be fixed; Wildstar is unlikely to become a Mantle game, or be reworked with dx12. AMD is unlikely to spend half a year making huge improvements to their driver to make CPU bound dx11 games run better when they have Mantle in a ton of upcoming games (mostly frostbite engine stuff) and dx12 probably being used within a year.
The #1 fault of Carbine, i have always said, was on making the Wildstar engine just perform BADLY and not scale down well. There are also some issues with how the UI is handled - it's singlethreaded and directly tied into the update loop of the game.
Those are two seperate issues which create, pretty approximately, ~1.5x performance differences, but even if you have the best performing system on the planet with an optimized UI, you'll see ~40fps during system daemons* and i hear worse performance further into DS. If you don't have an overclocked current gen intel quad core or you don't manage your UI carefully, that FPS can easily be dropping towards the teens during intensive play. A lot of footage from deeper in DS just has people hovering at around 20fps.
*That's assuming that you entirely disable all spell effects, of course - there's no option to turn down their intensity, only remove them
There are also SIGNIFICANT issues with the game and performance degradation (having to relog to restart the game in every raid break, yet still having some pulls where you have half of the FPS that you had on the first time you fought the boss), or performance just being plain terrible in certain areas compared to what it should be like, They have mostly not been fixed, and the same ones (some rooms in GA) were untouched for the entire time that i raided in Wildstar, as well as some entire encounters i hear in DS.
Even if there are not issues with bad hardware, bad driver programming, if the game performs that shit for somebody with the highest performance system in the world running Wildstar (nvidia GPU, doesn't really matter which.. raiding is cpu bound to hell - overclocked Haswell CPU, fast RAM) then it just won't be good for anyone else and some small issues can make it unplayable
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tl;dr DO NOT PLAN 40 MAN RAIDING IN WILDSTAR OR ANY LARGE SCALE PVP UNLESS YOU HAVE INTEL/NVIDIA AND ARE ALSO A MASOCHIST
DS is being reworked to 20 man, hopefully the masochists with AMD CPU's -OR- radeon graphics cards (please don't use both for these types of games) can enjoy themselves then 
Hate to be this harsh, but it's the truth as i see it
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Using both, so FML :D thanks for the information.
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You can always ask around for an EU trial key and see it for yourself.
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I have Intel/Radeon, but fairly high end versions of both (4770k, 280x). I can raid 40 mans and it's tolerable, but definitely not 60fps during fights.
FORGET about using an AMD CPU though.
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Daemons down 
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Picked the game again now that i have some free time. Having a blast right now, the only problem is that at low level it is impossible to find people through the group finder. Time to look up for a newbye friendly guild.
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On December 22 2014 06:25 Laurens wrote:Daemons down
Gz! It was definately made easier by drop 3, but still brutally hard first boss
On December 22 2014 07:30 Godwrath wrote:
Picked the game again now that i have some free time. Having a blast right now, the only problem is that at low level it is impossible to find people through the group finder. Time to look up for a newbye friendly guild.
Just get to max level ASAP, switch onto the PVE server if you are on PVP. On EU the population gap is huge, i don't really know how it is now but iirc the PVE server was like 5x bigger and getting more of a gap every day. I didn't play in around a month now
People can scale down their levels to do dungeons with you, which is nice
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On December 22 2014 06:25 Laurens wrote:Daemons down
CONGRATS WOOT WOOT!
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Aigooooooooooooooooo
Why are you still wiping on Fire/Life if Enigma can oneshot it, I want more Avatus streams 
Seen a bit more of DS myself, tagged along with Codex to kill SD, Mael, and 13 minis. Just missed out on an invite for Logic/earth and Air/water, alas.
Now my own guild has 40 attuned and it's back to wiping on Daemons. Shouldn't take long.
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Been having that itch for a hard, pve/raid mmo and wildstars really been on my mind past few days was wondering if there was anyone who might happen to have a 7-day trial key for eu?
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On January 13 2015 02:39 Makenshi wrote:
Been having that itch for a hard, pve/raid mmo and wildstars really been on my mind past few days was wondering if there was anyone who might happen to have a 7-day trial key for eu?
I do not have, but Exile on Jabbit seems to have much better active raiding population ATM (for 40 man at least) ~ Eugenic is one of the only, if not the only english speaking guild in 40 man on EU-Dominion, and they're not even trying to progress right now until it's changed to 20 man (for lack of skilled players?)
@Laurens should probably know exile pop
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On January 12 2015 23:48 Laurens wrote:Aigooooooooooooooooo Why are you still wiping on Fire/Life if Enigma can oneshot it, I want more Avatus streams Seen a bit more of DS myself, tagged along with Codex to kill SD, Mael, and 13 minis. Just missed out on an invite for Logic/earth and Air/water, alas. Now my own guild has 40 attuned and it's back to wiping on Daemons. Shouldn't take long.
I've decided to take a break from Wildstar. Too many of the people I had fun raiding with had stopped 1 by 1, and with that went the quality of our roster.
I'm not sure if Diplomacy will continue progression, I fear that I might have sparked a few other good players that were on the fence to also make the decision to leave, which was really what was holding me back in the first place. Though if the only thing holding each other back from leaving is to not be the first, it's a really messed up situation to begin with.
As a whole DS was quite enjoyable, I got my raiding kick out of it again. I love progression raiding, so I was really fortunate to be not too far behind Enigma / Eugenic such that there was still a decent portion of strats to be figured out and a chance to flex my awesome MS paint skillZ (lol).
Myself and a couple others tried really hard for some of the non-cheesable pairs especially fire/life. Pages long threads on fights where everyone could add to the discussion on strategy is something I've missed. We had a decent idea of what Enigma had done, and after the unfortunate video leaked it kind of just confirmed our worst fears, that we simply did not have the roster left to kill it. Even then, we considered strats that were more control, less individual player execution, a strat that could basically carry our roster. I think those that were left of our strong core badly wanted to see Avatus progression again. From the little I've seen of it, the fight just screams amazing.
Hopefully WS can survive and thrive in the future, maybe DS 20 will give it a good kick. WS gave me some of the most fun experiences I've had it a long time. I'll miss it for sure.
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It's really a shame to see what seems to be everybody aside from Enigma completely give up on killing avatus 40 due to diluted raid rosters.. hopefully it actually dies on 40 man. I'm just going from impressions from a few sites, not that much inside info aside from a few odd comments though. It's pretty hard to keep track of all the guilds and who is doing what and how they are doing in general
I could go join Eugenic right now, while in WoW my guild was like rank #40'th on that one server alone~ that kinda shows how the pool of skilled players is
After seeing a few more comments, maybe that was a little bit too cynical.. good luck
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On January 13 2015 07:00 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 02:39 Makenshi wrote:
Been having that itch for a hard, pve/raid mmo and wildstars really been on my mind past few days was wondering if there was anyone who might happen to have a 7-day trial key for eu? I do not have, but Exile on Jabbit seems to have much better active raiding population ATM (for 40 man at least) ~ Eugenic is one of the only, if not the only english speaking guild in 40 man on EU-Dominion, and they're not even trying to progress right now until it's changed to 20 man (for lack of skilled players?) @Laurens should probably know exile pop
Eugenic has been raiding together with Modified (German guild, also 8/9) since Christmas, the roster boss is real.
On Exile side it's just Codex who is 8/9, they also have massive roster boss issues, however they just got 15 new raiders from Ascension (German 2/9 guild), so they are good for a week or 2
Many other Exile guilds are pulling SD (Symbiosis, Catharsis, Utopia, Forged from Chaos, Fixed Internally, ...)
Catharsis and Utopia have their own 40 mans for now, the 3 others go together.
On January 13 2015 08:05 nehcnhoj wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 23:48 Laurens wrote:Aigooooooooooooooooo Why are you still wiping on Fire/Life if Enigma can oneshot it, I want more Avatus streams Seen a bit more of DS myself, tagged along with Codex to kill SD, Mael, and 13 minis. Just missed out on an invite for Logic/earth and Air/water, alas. Now my own guild has 40 attuned and it's back to wiping on Daemons. Shouldn't take long. I've decided to take a break from Wildstar. Too many of the people I had fun raiding with had stopped 1 by 1, and with that went the quality of our roster. I'm not sure if Diplomacy will continue progression, I fear that I might have sparked a few other good players that were on the fence to also make the decision to leave, which was really what was holding me back in the first place. Though if the only thing holding each other back from leaving is to not be the first, it's a really messed up situation to begin with. As a whole DS was quite enjoyable, I got my raiding kick out of it again. I love progression raiding, so I was really fortunate to be not too far behind Enigma / Eugenic such that there was still a decent portion of strats to be figured out and a chance to flex my awesome MS paint skillZ (lol). Myself and a couple others tried really hard for some of the non-cheesable pairs especially fire/life. Pages long threads on fights where everyone could add to the discussion on strategy is something I've missed. We had a decent idea of what Enigma had done, and after the unfortunate video leaked it kind of just confirmed our worst fears, that we simply did not have the roster left to kill it. Even then, we considered strats that were more control, less individual player execution, a strat that could basically carry our roster. I think those that were left of our strong core badly wanted to see Avatus progression again. From the little I've seen of it, the fight just screams amazing. Hopefully WS can survive and thrive in the future, maybe DS 20 will give it a good kick. WS gave me some of the most fun experiences I've had it a long time. I'll miss it for sure.
That's pretty sad to hear
I remember looking at WSL and seeing Diplomacy field one 40man and TWO 20mans, effectively having 80+ active raiders? And today I open Reddit and see a Diplomacy recruitment post, I was pretty shocked by that.
Catharsis is about to have its first 40man with just catharsis members, I hope the roster boss stays at bay. With half our roster already having an SD kill I think we should be able to kill it quick and hopefully get some momentum going forward.
You mention a leaked Fire/Life vid. I'd be quite interested to see that, if you could PM it to me that'd be great. I want to see what makes the fight so hard.
On January 13 2015 08:27 Cyro wrote:
I could go join Eugenic right now, while in WoW my guild was like rank #40'th on that one server alone~ that kinda shows how the pool of skilled players is
Yeah you could. I could go to Codex at any point too. And so could every other raider on Exile Jabbit, they're very desperate
World first Avatus will lose a lot of its meaning because of this sadly.
The race will be back on for DS20 though.
On January 13 2015 08:27 Cyro wrote:
It's really a shame to see what seems to be everybody aside from Enigma completely give up on killing avatus 40 due to diluted raid rosters.. hopefully it actually dies on 40 man. I'm just going from impressions from a few sites, not that much inside info aside from a few odd comments though. It's pretty hard to keep track of all the guilds and who is doing what and how they are doing in general
From my understanding, there are 5 8/9 guilds, and then Subterfuge which is 7/9, all other guilds are 2/9 or worse.
I think Subterfuge has folded, haven't heard anything of them in a while anyway.
Modified and Eugenic are merged, which should make a strong raid roster, but their members seem to have given up, or they are giving false impressions to fool other people idk.
Codex was making decent progress, just last week they killed one of the 3 pairs. Couldn't kill air/water and doesn't even try fire/life. They've had to use some PUGs lately but with the Ascension members they will be back on track for a while.
Enigma - no one knows, but Sauce said they made progress on Avatus last night. (alas, today is reset)
Diplomacy - what aigo said above
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