On February 20 2013 19:20 Manit0u wrote: EVE and GW definitely. Depends on what you like more (apart from the setting obviously). GW has the advantage strictly from PvP perspective as it allows you to create a max level character with good gear right off the bat (but you can only use this character in PvP, can't enter PvE areas with it) and then unlock more skills and items through PvP (or simulations with AI). It also has nice in-built observer mode which lets you watch ongoing tournaments and even some past ones if I remember correctly.
If you'd like to see how good PvP looks like in GW with good commentary to boot you should visit GWGApok's channel @ YouTube.
Guild Wars GvG was good when koreans were playing (WM, EvIL), and the 2(3) expansions weren't out (especially the second). Until then, it was really awesome. Battling guilds all over the world, experimenting with so many different builds and so many tactical and strategical decisions were required as well as perfect teamwork. You didn't even need commentary to watch games because there was stuff happening all the time all over the place. After the expansions, the game became more and more stable (more choices of skills to use - but much less useable skills in terms of balance) and boring. Many good guys left, leaving lack of competition behind. That pretty much ended the fun/good times there. Just my opinion ofcourse.
Hah, I just recalled some fun stuff from Lineage, where you got classes that were able to place alliance-wide debuffs that lasted ages. Your guildmate is participating in PvP while you're raiding something? Tough luck...
WoW is still the best PvP MMO, I've tried quite some MMOs out there and none comes close to WoW. I'm not that good at describing it, but the balance, real time effect, free movement, etc is something that no other game can quite copy. When I say balance take it with a grain of salt, WoW shifts around a lot as well but it's still ahead of the curve by far. I hope by PvP u mean high level competitive play, I'm talking about arena at least above 2.2k. As for BGs, I'd still take WoW since it feels way more fluid. Rated BGs used to be semi fun apart from the forcing them but these days there's too many people who bought their rating and just ruin it for pugs.
The most important part of any PvP on WoW is to make friends, and actually WANT to play with them. Real life friends can be a good idea, but not if they hold u back. I have about 3 real life friends who've played WoW consistently over the past 6 years, only 1 of them actually broke 2.2k together with me, the others are just dwindling around 1.5k wondering why they aren't getting better by doing nothing ^^
Also in general people who said they liked Vanilla and TBC PvP are just hypocrits who can't really be objective about a situation. Vanilla was one-shotting people and no lifing equaled OP gear equaled one-shotting equaled "skill". Tbc was a lot better, but it had WAY too much random game breaking things in PvP. WotLK was a LOT better than both, so is Cataclysm, and so is MoP. Almost 99% of the people that PvP play at a fairly low level, and for them it is undoubtedly more fun to just one-shot someone rather than actually out-thinking and out-playing your opponent.
If u don't want to be able to distinguish yourself from the rest, WoW PvP probably isn't anything for u. Some people, like my irl friends, just don't have the drive to improve. Which is weird considering how much overall time they actually spent playing in the past years.
Kind of wend off-topic ^^ TL;DR WoW still the best imo
Probably Lineage 2... best GvG and 1v1 PvPs. I never had so much fun pvping in other games, although I didn't experience whole lot in GW2. GW2 wasn't my type of mmo so I gave up on it. (I was hyped for it just as much as anyone, so it was a disappointment)
GW2's 5v5 is a okay if you're super casual, otherwise a joke. 1v1 and GvG doesn't exist. WvW is nice but that's not conventional the 'PvP' some players may expect. It is technically player vs player but definitely not the small group vs group or solo 1v1. It's large scale territory war. Somewhat similar to PWI but that comparison might be a bit insulting. WvW is definitely something to experience.
If you want action-based 5v5, play a MOBA.
On February 20 2013 23:06 Shikyo wrote: For Duels:
Lunia. By far. Too bad it's not too well populated these days, but no MMO still comes even close to the PvP there.
What about Rusty Hearts? The game is bleh but the PvP seems on very similar with lunia based on your video.
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Pardon me for slightly derailing from 'MMO' but are there any online PvP games like S4 and Gunz without an overwhelming number of botters/hackers? I only know those 2 and it's a shame both are unplayable without resorting to same tactics.
- My personal fav for casual PvP is Ragnarok /biased as hell.
On February 21 2013 03:07 Louis8k8 wrote: Pardon me for slightly derailing from 'MMO' but are there any online PvP games like S4 and Gunz without an overwhelming number of botters/hackers? I only know those 2 and it's a shame both are unplayable without resorting to same tactics.
There's always Savage 2. You can either play as a regular soldier or as a commander (where you're practically playing RTS where your units are other players). 100% skill based:
Has no one mentioned Tera Online?! It just went F2P recently, and all I can say is I'm amazed with this game and especially its combat system! Better than GW2 imo.
On February 20 2013 19:20 Manit0u wrote: EVE and GW definitely. Depends on what you like more (apart from the setting obviously). GW has the advantage strictly from PvP perspective as it allows you to create a max level character with good gear right off the bat (but you can only use this character in PvP, can't enter PvE areas with it) and then unlock more skills and items through PvP (or simulations with AI). It also has nice in-built observer mode which lets you watch ongoing tournaments and even some past ones if I remember correctly.
If you'd like to see how good PvP looks like in GW with good commentary to boot you should visit GWGApok's channel @ YouTube.
Guild Wars GvG was good when koreans were playing (WM, EvIL), and the 2(3) expansions weren't out (especially the second). Until then, it was really awesome. Battling guilds all over the world, experimenting with so many different builds and so many tactical and strategical decisions were required as well as perfect teamwork. You didn't even need commentary to watch games because there was stuff happening all the time all over the place. After the expansions, the game became more and more stable (more choices of skills to use - but much less useable skills in terms of balance) and boring. Many good guys left, leaving lack of competition behind. That pretty much ended the fun/good times there. Just my opinion ofcourse.
Amen. I couldn't agree more, being part of two top 10 GvG in the world guilds (DoP + EvIL) GW1 was great before all these random expansions game out, the first few seasons were amazing and so much fun, it's a shame that people who picked up late on GW and had success thought they were amazing when everyone good had left, there were so many strategies, ranger spirit build spike to ele spike to healing balls to necro armies, was so much fun, I basically had no life when that game came out haha.
Youtube some videos of the good clans from back in the day,
The Last Pride [EvIL] Warmachine [WM] Idiot Savants [iQ]
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