EPTIn my opinion, and i've said this before, both are to blame here. Geoff crossed the line as GGQ said above (even if it was just a roleplaying between a male and male character..), but JP (and Geoff also) overreacted. Hardcore. Ryan, Neal and Gen did the very best thing they could've. Chill out, try not to talk about it that much.
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Grettin
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In my opinion, and i've said this before, both are to blame here. Geoff crossed the line as GGQ said above (even if it was just a roleplaying between a male and male character..), but JP (and Geoff also) overreacted. Hardcore. Ryan, Neal and Gen did the very best thing they could've. Chill out, try not to talk about it that much. | ||
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RMcD
United Kingdom1 Post
Here is the actual moment that JP wanted to speak to Geoff about. For those who missed it, and are not subscribers | ||
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daemir
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CountChocula
Canada2068 Posts
On January 07 2014 14:05 RMcD wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS1hpahnQ1I Here is the actual moment that JP wanted to speak to Geoff about. For those who missed it, and are not subscribers can you upload a clip that shows the ending? it kinda ends on a cliffhanger. | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
It's a shame honestly. I've loved this show since it's really awkward but comical start and it has become pretty good save the aforementioned. My hopes are that both sides learn from this and move on together. | ||
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ilmeeni
Afghanistan72 Posts
Would agree saying such things out of scene would not be alright, however conflict is what makes any story good, and everyone playing monotonous yes men would get boring real fast. | ||
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Snorkle
United States1648 Posts
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Disengaged
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
On January 07 2014 14:14 daemir wrote: Looks to me like JP is the only one who pays even passing attention to that comment. a lot of viewers felt the same way JP did. the short clip does not illustrate this. just so you know | ||
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chaos021
United States258 Posts
I get there have been problems between Jen and Geoff (and their characters), but to kick him off for this? If it's really that bad, pull the plug on the stream right then. Don't wait a few minutes to chat this out. Guess I'm done with this bullshit. I hope JP chokes on a dick inflated with his ego. User was warned for this post | ||
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
I share the sentiment of most people, both sides in the wrong, but I wish JP didn't react so strongly :/ | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
On January 07 2014 15:17 FFGenerations wrote: a lot of viewers felt the same way JP did. the short clip does not illustrate this. just so you know Speaking as one of those viewers, to me it was Geoff's character, who is a mean male fighter dude, telling the male healer dude to stop fucking around. Whiny bitch part sounds worse if it's said to a girl I guess, but it was ingame, male to male conversation. Regardless, definately something that should have been handled offscreen after game, not just to cut the whole thing. Oh well, drama. | ||
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TheExile19
513 Posts
On January 07 2014 15:17 FFGenerations wrote: a lot of viewers felt the same way JP did. the short clip does not illustrate this. just so you know I don't think you'll find many viewers who would ardently disagree that the way incontrol interacts with gen seems...off, and occasionally interrupts being immersed in the show. in fact, almost nobody that posts their opinion on where they stand on this is completely wrong, which is why this is such a shitstorm. incontrol, gen and JP all play the game in ways that, given the context and the grounds on which JP thought it was appropriate to slam incontrol, end up clashing. the problem, and where it swings back towards JP being in the wrong imo, is that while I've never played live d&d (though I want to, after watching this show for months), I have to assume that clashing personalities is part of tabletop gaming. more importantly, I have to assume that one of the players flipping the table on another in the middle of a session isn't acceptable, especially when that player isn't the one in question of being wronged. instead, JP is leveraging his position as not only a player but a showrunner and using it to browbeat incontrol during a session to avenge wrongs that, frankly, gen doesn't seem to give two shits about. yes, incontrol fanned the flames, but it's pretty clear given his histrionic blogging that he was emotionally compromised. people that are criticizing him for not keeping it cool like it's a business venture are ignoring the fact that it's still a friendly game for the five of them and generally always has been. this is all being said without getting into the specifics of why the "whiny bitch" comment is meaningless, because I want to avoid the rebuttal that people are claiming incontrol is a saint; no, there are specific occasions where geoff gets moody, when they all have and do. this isn't one of them, gen was playing yet another airy and dopey character and in solum geoff keeps rolling characters that don't have patience for that shit. to claim anything beyond that is overly speculative and insulting, a clear case of a narrative that AMG GEOFF H8s GEN overtaking a roleplayed action with no ill will. | ||
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jcroisdale
United States1543 Posts
on another note, this new show is the old rollplay done? | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On January 07 2014 15:54 TheExile19 wrote: I don't think you'll find many viewers who would ardently disagree that the way incontrol interacts with gen seems...off, and occasionally interrupts being immersed in the show. in fact, almost nobody that posts their opinion on where they stand on this is completely wrong, which is why this is such a shitstorm. incontrol, gen and JP all play the game in ways that, given the context and the grounds on which JP thought it was appropriate to slam incontrol, end up clashing. the problem, and where it swings back towards JP being in the wrong imo, is that while I've never played live d&d (though I want to, after watching this show for months), I have to assume that clashing personalities is part of tabletop gaming. more importantly, I have to assume that one of the players flipping the table on another in the middle of a session isn't acceptable, especially when that player isn't the one in question of being wronged. instead, JP is leveraging his position as not only a player but a showrunner and using it to browbeat incontrol during a session to avenge wrongs that, frankly, gen doesn't seem to give two shits about. yes, incontrol fanned the flames, but it's pretty clear given his histrionic blogging that he was emotionally compromised. people that are criticizing him for not keeping it cool like it's a business venture are ignoring the fact that it's still a friendly game for the five of them and generally always has been. this is all being said without getting into the specifics of why the "whiny bitch" comment is meaningless, because I want to avoid the rebuttal that people are claiming incontrol is a saint; no, there are specific occasions where geoff gets moody, when they all have and do. this isn't one of them, gen was playing yet another airy and dopey character and in solum geoff keeps rolling characters that don't have patience for that shit. to claim anything beyond that is overly speculative and insulting, a clear case of a narrative that AMG GEOFF H8s GEN overtaking a roleplayed action with no ill will. I'm trying to not post/talk too much about this as I come off as trying to victimize myself OR I am too emotional BUTTTTTTTT This is exactly how I feel. You are translating my thoughts. I am not a saint and I am a prick in this game. I was/am self-aware of that and when i feel like I am doing it too much I usually think to myself "dial it back" or "tone it down." I was never told by anyone (Gen most importantly) that I was hurting anyone's feelings or making them feel bullied. JP in one episode last season yelled "SHUT TH E FUCK UP AND LET HER ROLEPLAY" so if that counts as me being spoken to.. dunno what to say. Yes the content is there but when he said that all I did was pull him aside privately and tell him if he ever speaks to me that way again I am off the show. Then it was done. All my life I have been this person you see now.. kinda rude, mean at times but also "funny" and charismatic. When people/friends have told me in the past I was making them feel bad or "dominating" them (I get that one a lot) I 95% of the time apologize and try to do better. The other 5% I act like a petulant child and blame them.. but I am working on that too. I was blindsided tonight by an act of white knighting someone who hadn't asked him to or told him anything about there being an "issue." When I spoke to JP I told him that I was hurt he never gave me a chance to improve. I told him I was acting as a character in game and he said he didn't believe that because I have always been mean to Gen. I can't refute that all I can say is I was trying to act in character.. I am friends with Gen not some kind of secret hater. I also admit I got carried away NUMEROUS times many times even.. and that is 100% my fault. The problem is I was never given a chance to improve outside of my own self-realization that what I was doing was causing a problem that was escalating. | ||
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jcroisdale
United States1543 Posts
On January 07 2014 16:32 iNcontroL wrote: I'm trying to not post/talk too much about this as I come off as trying to victimize myself OR I am too emotional BUTTTTTTTT This is exactly how I feel. You are translating my thoughts. I am not a saint and I am a prick in this game. I was/am self-aware of that and when i feel like I am doing it too much I usually think to myself "dial it back" or "tone it down." I was never told by anyone (Gen most importantly) that I was hurting anyone's feelings or making them feel bullied. JP in one episode last season yelled "SHUT TH E FUCK UP AND LET HER ROLEPLAY" so if that counts as me being spoken to.. dunno what to say. Yes the content is there but when he said that all I did was pull him aside privately and tell him if he ever speaks to me that way again I am off the show. Then it was done. All my life I have been this person you see now.. kinda rude, mean at times but also "funny" and charismatic. When people/friends have told me in the past I was making them feel bad or "dominating" them (I get that one a lot) I 95% of the time apologize and try to do better. The other 5% I act like a petulant child and blame them.. but I am working on that too. I was blindsided tonight by an act of white knighting someone who hadn't asked him to or told him anything about there being an "issue." When I spoke to JP I told him that I was hurt he never gave me a chance to improve. I told him I was acting as a character in game and he said he didn't believe that because I have always been mean to Gen. I can't refute that all I can say is I was trying to act in character.. I am friends with Gen not some kind of secret hater. I also admit I got carried away NUMEROUS times many times even.. and that is 100% my fault. The problem is I was never given a chance to improve outside of my own self-realization that what I was doing was causing a problem that was escalating. Respect. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
Getting mad at someone for rollplaying their character is just silly. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
we are also non-confrontational people, which means we tend to tolerate things we dont like, "go silent" and bottle up the way we feel. This can lead to occasional explosions that we feel are justified because their message is something we've been brewing over for a long time - we agree with our message however the explosion isn't really a good way to communicate it and often ends up with a person being more upset with us and our original issue/complaint being ignored. blame comes back around to us and we feel guilty, and ontop of that nothing changes with the other person (infact sometimes they feel more entitled to be upset with us than we were with them) a "better adjusted" person would respond to something they don't like in a more immediate and casual manner, which gets the problem solved more quickly/directly and without bottled emotional outbursts. a conflict-avoiding personality, however, is really shit at this, and when they eventually do attempt to address something they dont like they end up saying "shut the fuck up" rather than communicating their message in a more tactful, cool manner i had a friend who could be pretty dominating/mean/a prick, without realising she was a complete dick sometimes, or if she did realise it then she would feel justified because she was just talking straight and if you dont like how someone makes you feel then thats your problem and you should speak up or stop saying stupid things. we talked about this clash between conflict-confident and conflict-avoiding styles of personality. as a result, she grew eventually to do a good job at being a nicer and conscientious person, whilst i grew to have more confidence in voicing any issues/upsets i had in a more immediate (and less explosive, bottled up) manner | ||
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