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On May 05 2014 00:51 Monsen wrote:
I feel that Minghal is not really playing the game. It's so broken that you might just as well declare WC victory from the start.
executing the strategy up to forming minghals is incredibly tricky, and AE management is still tricky, WC is not a given.
Also, my Sweden campaign is going all sorts of bad. My goal was to convert to Shiite but I can only realistically go for Sunni at this point then rebel-switch later once I mess up the Timurids.
I have about 17 Sunni provinces under control of horde vassals at the moment, but I have ~50 Protestant provinces so I need to eventually sell down to vassals or acquire more Sunni provinces. Unfortunately I don't really have a lot of rich provinces so the transition is going to be a nightmare (Scandinavian provinces are SHIT), and strategically I am threatened by Muscovy-France alliance, also Austria / Ottomans / England hate me (I sort of took over 2/3rds of England looking for non-HRE people to beat up). Austria is allied with Muscovy as well so attacking into HRE is difficult. The only person that likes me is Poland and I sort of want to gank them soon as I can feed back the Teutonic Order cores, but that leaves me completely friendless.
If only I didn't get a heir at one point, I could have gotten a Jagiellon on the throne so I could force PU on Poland, that would have protected me very well, but it was not to be.
In retrospect, I should have gone full aggressive on Muscovy at the beginning.
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I think there are some muslims that take religious as their first- might want to use those for converting (Najd?).
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On May 06 2014 23:19 Monsen wrote:
I think there are some muslims that take religious as their first- might want to use those for converting (Najd?).
Religion as first is only valid if role playing. As second it is very good depending on the nation and what you want to do. Diplomatic first is best most of the time. With many nations benefiting from getting colonists first, Americans, Russians, Najd etc.
I can't think of any time you want religious as your first idea from a power gaming point of view.
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On May 06 2014 23:19 Monsen wrote:
I think there are some muslims that take religious as their first- might want to use those for converting (Najd?).
Why would Najd take religious first if they get +5% missionary strength as a starting bonus?
And its not like you need +1 missionaries cause Najd cant really expand that much early on
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he means vassalize Najd then sell them provinces to convert to Sunni for me
vassals now take any province their overlord has core on. It's a nice trick to convert Rome, for example.
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Can someone help me out with starting as Burgundy? I've tried twice now and both times I get rick rolled by France whenever they choose.
The most recent game I allied with Castile, Trier and Savoy but unfortunately Castile didn't have military access to attack southern France. My other two allies have ~15 armies total to France's 50. circa 1460.
I'm not sure how I'm supposed to fend off France; Do I have to lose...to win?
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Can't you convince Austria to help you? They can usually walk through all of the empire without problems, and match the french in strength. Also, you shouldn't be that much weaker then france in the beginning either, burgundy has many rich provinces.
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you can also try to ally aragon before the iberian wedding fires, they might be weaker than castille in raw power but they do force france to split up forces
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I haven't played Burgundy but given how powerful their starting position is, couldn't you just cripple them while they are in the HYW?
Ally Castile, attack within the year. Castile will probably join in, France will have sky high war exhaustion, its the best time to attack.
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Yeah, shouldn't be that difficult really- ally Castille and/or Austria (the latter can rival you from time to time so it's not that reliable), build up to force limit and you should be ok. The French ideas can be difficult to deal with in war, defensive ideas can make up for their moral bonus (until they take it themselves), administrative ideas make mercenaries so cheap that manpower becomes a non issue for burgundy. Keep an eye out for France fighting either Iberia or Austria/HRE, pounce when they're in the middle of the war.
All it takes to break France is one (two) 100% win(s)- Take one of the Guyenne cores and release them as vassal, feed them all their cores the next war- done, you have half of Frances strength as vassal.
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On May 07 2014 14:40 darthfoley wrote:
Can someone help me out with starting as Burgundy? I've tried twice now and both times I get rick rolled by France whenever they choose.
The most recent game I allied with Castile, Trier and Savoy but unfortunately Castile didn't have military access to attack southern France. My other two allies have ~15 armies total to France's 50. circa 1460.
I'm not sure how I'm supposed to fend off France; Do I have to lose...to win?
never had that castille couild not reach france wtfi s wrong xD
well best thing is waiting for france to BE IN A WAR and loosing alot of manpower, they not good in mercs like you so if they burn all vs lets say england and austria, together with castille you can destroy them.
played burgundy quite some times now and its not that hard to destroy france,
best is to ally castille and austria wait for france to be in war with england/port, and then attack them while austria/castille are not in war and come to help
in all games i had you can destroy france and when you win the first 1-2 wars, always demand to free countrys from them. atfer that they are weak as fuck and 100 years later france has 3 provinces left and you can diplo annek all the freed states
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just had an idea for a fun campaign, I call it "A World Without Empires"
as Switzerland (or some other mid-tier republic of your choice):
-Ming does not exist
-Own Constantinople, Moskva, Ile-de-France, Madrid, Lisbon, and London
-HREmperor country is a republic/theocracy (this requires that all HRE states be force-converted out of monarchies)
picking Switzerland because they have pretty intriguing ideas - manpower, discipline, merc cost, infantry cost ability is no joke.
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On May 07 2014 18:43 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 14:40 darthfoley wrote:
Can someone help me out with starting as Burgundy? I've tried twice now and both times I get rick rolled by France whenever they choose.
The most recent game I allied with Castile, Trier and Savoy but unfortunately Castile didn't have military access to attack southern France. My other two allies have ~15 armies total to France's 50. circa 1460.
I'm not sure how I'm supposed to fend off France; Do I have to lose...to win? never had that castille couild not reach france wtfi s wrong xD well best thing is waiting for france to BE IN A WAR and loosing alot of manpower, they not good in mercs like you so if they burn all vs lets say england and austria, together with castille you can destroy them. played burgundy quite some times now and its not that hard to destroy france, best is to ally castille and austria wait for france to be in war with england/port, and then attack them while austria/castille are not in war and come to help in all games i had you can destroy france and when you win the first 1-2 wars, always demand to free countrys from them. atfer that they are weak as fuck and 100 years later france has 3 provinces left and you can diplo annek all the freed states
yeah, here are the first years of my swiss playthrough, AI burgundy + castile jump france right as war is ending, gg:
![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/8CHEw/4c249a1748.jpg)
I wouldn't suggest doing this (taking 4-5 provinces) as this is going to give quite the coalition but this is a 80+ warscore peace deal
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On May 07 2014 18:43 Drake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 14:40 darthfoley wrote:
Can someone help me out with starting as Burgundy? I've tried twice now and both times I get rick rolled by France whenever they choose.
The most recent game I allied with Castile, Trier and Savoy but unfortunately Castile didn't have military access to attack southern France. My other two allies have ~15 armies total to France's 50. circa 1460.
I'm not sure how I'm supposed to fend off France; Do I have to lose...to win? never had that castille couild not reach france wtfi s wrong xD well best thing is waiting for france to BE IN A WAR and loosing alot of manpower, they not good in mercs like you so if they burn all vs lets say england and austria, together with castille you can destroy them. played burgundy quite some times now and its not that hard to destroy france, best is to ally castille and austria wait for france to be in war with england/port, and then attack them while austria/castille are not in war and come to help in all games i had you can destroy france and when you win the first 1-2 wars, always demand to free countrys from them. atfer that they are weak as fuck and 100 years later france has 3 provinces left and you can diplo annek all the freed states
I realized Castile could go through Navarra and just decided not to really help me lol. I would have attacked during the HYW but I unfortunately had a regency council during it -_- so I had to wait for like 3 years. I'll get it eventually. Maybe I should go defensive idea first instead of diplomat. I'll toy around with it
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I'm being attacked again by France but my allies (Savoy and Brittany and my vassal Barrois) have actually helped. I think it was mainly just dumb engagements on my part in my previous attempts
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On May 08 2014 07:33 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 18:43 Drake wrote:On May 07 2014 14:40 darthfoley wrote:
Can someone help me out with starting as Burgundy? I've tried twice now and both times I get rick rolled by France whenever they choose.
The most recent game I allied with Castile, Trier and Savoy but unfortunately Castile didn't have military access to attack southern France. My other two allies have ~15 armies total to France's 50. circa 1460.
I'm not sure how I'm supposed to fend off France; Do I have to lose...to win? never had that castille couild not reach france wtfi s wrong xD well best thing is waiting for france to BE IN A WAR and loosing alot of manpower, they not good in mercs like you so if they burn all vs lets say england and austria, together with castille you can destroy them. played burgundy quite some times now and its not that hard to destroy france, best is to ally castille and austria wait for france to be in war with england/port, and then attack them while austria/castille are not in war and come to help in all games i had you can destroy france and when you win the first 1-2 wars, always demand to free countrys from them. atfer that they are weak as fuck and 100 years later france has 3 provinces left and you can diplo annek all the freed states I realized Castile could go through Navarra and just decided not to really help me lol. I would have attacked during the HYW but I unfortunately had a regency council during it -_- so I had to wait for like 3 years. I'll get it eventually. Maybe I should go defensive idea first instead of diplomat. I'll toy around with it
I think it's very risky to go military ideas first because you'll need those points to not fall behind in military tech.
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Maybe I should go defensive idea first instead of diplomat. I'll toy around with it
diplomatic is by far the best choice, +2 diplo relations and +1 diplomat helps so much with AE management which is by far the biggest constraint to early expansion
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get rekt frenchies
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It's funny how the menace that is the big blue blob is actually the best place to expand in the early game for so many European nations.
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Anyone have any tips on getting around the defender of the faith?
I am playing the extended timeline mod as Norse Sweden, and I don't want to fight the catholic defender of the faith (France), nor the Orthodox defender of the faith (Byznatium). Conversion is never going to be an option as I must spread my norse religion across the lands, so my chances of allying them are almost zero. Right now I've just been waiting for england and france to fight in a war or something.
On a somewhat related note, I can't figure out how to get England to attack my one province ally Gwynedd. They've stayed alive for over 40 years after getting released and haven't done anything. Then again I have parked a 17 stack on there for all those years :D
Well it is extended timeline so there is no rush, might as well just annex some vassels with 0 diplo rep.
EDIT: New plan, subjugate the hoards, colonize siberia. Ignore europe and hope that france/germany blob never forms.
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