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419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-26 07:56:08
April 26 2014 07:55 GMT
#1041
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=182193625

ahahaha, this guy is a true hero.
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porkRaven
Profile Joined December 2010
United States953 Posts
April 26 2014 17:58 GMT
#1042
Yea about the stack wiping tactic is seems to be reliable when they have no friendly tiles to retreat to. Additionally when you do a forced retreat and you happen to click a province next to you with low moral you can get the locked icon. It seems to be true of the AI as well.
SHOUTOUTS TO Aylear!!!
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12077 Posts
April 26 2014 22:23 GMT
#1043
On April 27 2014 02:58 SwatRaven wrote:
Yea about the stack wiping tactic is seems to be reliable when they have no friendly tiles to retreat to. Additionally when you do a forced retreat and you happen to click a province next to you with low moral you can get the locked icon. It seems to be true of the AI as well.


You get locked when you have too low morale. A long retreat takes place over more than a month of time, meaning you pass the end of the month and gain morale before arriving at your destination.
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-27 06:24:03
April 27 2014 06:23 GMT
#1044
The game and most (if not all, I only checked a few) DLC are on sale right now on Amazon US at around 75% off.

I haven't bought any DLC for the game yet, but I am a bit tempted to pick up the American Dream and Conquest of Paradise DLCs, for the new colony stuff, but I'm not really sure if it's worth it or not.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
April 27 2014 09:45 GMT
#1045
CoP has some nice gameplay additions especially if you're playing a new world nation, even if you're not there's also support independence which can be interesting.

Wouldn't bother with American Dream unless you really want to play USA as they really only exist towards the end of the timeline, and the game ends in 1821
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Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
April 27 2014 12:50 GMT
#1046
The support for independence is a really crucial feature. I highly recommend getting the DLC for that. In my latest game as Milan my Heir and King died within a year of each other putting me under a personal union with a ridiculous strong Austria.
I had excellent relations with Hungary and France, both of with were my allies when the PU fired, but since I was lacking the DLC all my alliances broke and I would have had to face Austria + all her allies on my own. Game over.
11 years and counting- TL #680
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
April 27 2014 21:50 GMT
#1047
[image loading]

was shooting for 1600 but got set back really hard at some points (had a 62% warscore loss against Ottomans). Still a really fun campaign nonetheless
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
April 27 2014 23:58 GMT
#1048
(Playing as Russia) Think my chance vs. the Ottomans might've passed. They're now level 20 military with my trailing--barely at 17. Made some more mistakes I have to learn from this game.

Bad part is that the Ottomans are allied with Crimea, Golden Horde, Uzbek, so Southern expansion (unless I want to go all in) is unlikely. Can't colonize eastern Russia yet because I was stupid and didn't get that idea block.

Last game I focused too much on the idea blocks and buildings, this game I focused too much on getting military idea groups, leaving me lacking in other areas like colonization and exploration.

[image loading]
Oh well, it's still really fun. Just not good at it yet.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11789 Posts
April 28 2014 00:27 GMT
#1049
You could try getting an alliance with the Mughals, maybe Hungary, and fight the Ottomans when they are weak for some reason. A big naval power as an ally could also annoy the Ottomans greatly, but i doubt you will find someone with both a fleet large enough to fight theirs, and willing to commit that fleet fully to the mediterranean. Alternatively Poland or Scandinavia look juicy if they don't have very strong alliances. Nogai could also get eaten by you at some point. The AI isn't too good in overseas wars, so enemy alliances with Spain or Britain are mostly neglectible, France could be annoying if they find a land route.

It should be really hard at this point to lose a war, unless it is against absolutely everyone. Just retreat, scorch the land, and pick off the smaller sieging stacks while they die in the thousands to sickness and hunger. Don't get caught in big fights unless you are stronger overall. You are Russia.

Sibiria is not exactly the greatest land anyways. Sure you might want it to look bigger, but it won't actually make you a lot stronger.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
April 28 2014 00:52 GMT
#1050
Siberia is pretty low maintenance though. You just need to dispatch about 5-6k troops to suppress any natives and pay a little money for colony maintenance, and you can then gain a bunch of territory that is mostly between 2 and 5 base tax (though you can get fur, gold, etc. all of which is expensive). You should get enough ideas that eventually you'll get the unique Russian one that gives you a free colonist; you can use that.

Have you westernized yet? That could be a fun learning experience...

I'm playing a Tuscany game, but I am always too lazy to diploannex large countries by breaking them up so I am really overextended. Right after I formed Italy, I went to war against my neighbors (they were all in a coalition against me, so I just said fuck it) and gained about 8 provinces - some of which had really high base tax, like savoie and naples. So now I have to deal with a ton of rebels Anybody know what to do once I complete my current goal of completely controlling the Venice and Genoa trade nodes? It's about 1530.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
April 28 2014 00:59 GMT
#1051
On April 28 2014 09:27 Simberto wrote:
You could try getting an alliance with the Mughals, maybe Hungary, and fight the Ottomans when they are weak for some reason. A big naval power as an ally could also annoy the Ottomans greatly, but i doubt you will find someone with both a fleet large enough to fight theirs, and willing to commit that fleet fully to the mediterranean. Alternatively Poland or Scandinavia look juicy if they don't have very strong alliances. Nogai could also get eaten by you at some point. The AI isn't too good in overseas wars, so enemy alliances with Spain or Britain are mostly neglectible, France could be annoying if they find a land route.

It should be really hard at this point to lose a war, unless it is against absolutely everyone. Just retreat, scorch the land, and pick off the smaller sieging stacks while they die in the thousands to sickness and hunger. Don't get caught in big fights unless you are stronger overall. You are Russia.

Sibiria is not exactly the greatest land anyways. Sure you might want it to look bigger, but it won't actually make you a lot stronger.


Funny you mention the alliance stuff. About 20 minutes after I posted, the Ottomans, along with the Golden Horde and some other small country declared war on Hungary (who I'm allied with). I went to its aid and the battles went back and forth with the Ottomans winning the majority of them.

It ended with a treaty at around -15% with the Ottomans ceding Dalmatia to the Ottomans and 143 ducats. I got Saratov from the Golden Horde randomly which is nice I guess.

Just signed an alliance with the Mughals. Brings me up to Bavaria, Hungary and them. Ukraine is in a "personal union" with me, which I don't completely understand.

Nice to know losing 120K men got me one province in who knows where caucus region :D
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11789 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-28 13:05:44
April 28 2014 12:56 GMT
#1052
Personal Unions are better then alliances. It means that your king is the ruler of both countries simultaneously, but they are still different countries. They are basically your Vassal. Keep your relations with them positiv at all cost. If you look at the screen when you click one of their provinces, you should see a chance to inherit them (I think this starts 50 years after you get the PU). This means each time your king dies, you have this chance to just intergrate their country into yours. Alternatively, once again 50 years after the PU started, you can choose the diplomatic action integrate (needs 190 relations with them) and it slowly tick up over 10-20 years until you once again integrate them into your country, making them join your country and all of their lands your cores. Until then, they will always join all of your wars unless they are at negative relations when your king dies, at which point they will try to break free.

If you get mughals and Hungary into a war against the Ottomans, you should be able to win that, as long as you try to fight on friendly territory whenever possible. This helps you because it limits your attrition, enables you to reinforce your troops faster, and increases theirs. Also the AI tends to split up more while in enemy territory compared to it's own, because it wants to siege more stuff. Don't worry if you fall behind a bit at first, if you keep the war going and are able to empty their manpower reserves, you can then start sieging all of their provinces and get a major concession out of them. Generally speaking baring special circumstances, your goal in a major war should always be killing troops efficiently. Once the troops are gone, you can take their lands. You can see how much manpower is in their reserves in the ledger.

Allied countries can be sacrificed for this. They are not you, they are foreigners. Though if they get crushed too hard, they might leave the war, which you should usually want to prevent. If their territories get sieged, and you slowly destroy the turkish troops in the meantime, this might leave the hungarian economy in shambles for a while. Which is not your problem. If it helps you win the war. They won't even hate you for it, in fact they will love you for "helping defend" their territory.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-28 13:56:40
April 28 2014 13:55 GMT
#1053
Ukraine has a lot of dormant cores in Lithuanian and Polish land. If you can got to war against Lithuania and force them to return cores to Ukraine you can pick up a lot of free territory and no one will hate you for it (zero AE for this).

btw hordes are complete non-factors past 1550-ish, you can crush them with ease due to how inferior their units are. Horde units NEVER get better.

I'm playing a Tuscany game, but I am always too lazy to diploannex large countries by breaking them up so I am really overextended. Right after I formed Italy, I went to war against my neighbors (they were all in a coalition against me, so I just said fuck it) and gained about 8 provinces - some of which had really high base tax, like savoie and naples. So now I have to deal with a ton of rebels Anybody know what to do once I complete my current goal of completely controlling the Venice and Genoa trade nodes? It's about 1530.


Alexandria -> Gulf of Aden -> India is the best way to leverage control of those nodes. You'll have to dismantle the Ottomans in the process, but challenges are fun.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10870 Posts
April 28 2014 14:12 GMT
#1054
If you manage to dismantle the ottomans… Why not make Constantinople your „homenode“… There are probably more people allready pulling into that direction anyway.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9288 Posts
April 28 2014 15:22 GMT
#1055
I played this game long time ago. Do your light ships still go to all the way to Red Sea when you try to protect trade in Alexandrian trade node? It was very frustrating.
You're now breathing manually
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12077 Posts
April 28 2014 16:19 GMT
#1056
On April 29 2014 00:22 Sent. wrote:
I played this game long time ago. Do your light ships still go to all the way to Red Sea when you try to protect trade in Alexandrian trade node? It was very frustrating.


Sea of Crete -> Gulf of Tobruk -> Bay of Alexandria -> Sea of Crete -> Gulf of Satalia -> Ionian Sea (through Sea of Crete) -> Aegean Sea (through Sea of Crete) -> Palestinian Coast (through Gulf of Satalia) -> Gulf of Cyprus -> Gulf of Sirte (through Gulf of Satalia, Sea of Crete and Gulf of Tobruk) -> (through Ionian Sea) ->

So no, no Red Sea in Alexandria node.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
April 30 2014 02:17 GMT
#1057
been thinking of ideas for a fun campaign, think I've settled on one.

does anyone know any viable day 0 independence war strategies for Sweden?
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
April 30 2014 03:16 GMT
#1058
On April 28 2014 22:55 419 wrote:
Ukraine has a lot of dormant cores in Lithuanian and Polish land. If you can got to war against Lithuania and force them to return cores to Ukraine you can pick up a lot of free territory and no one will hate you for it (zero AE for this).

btw hordes are complete non-factors past 1550-ish, you can crush them with ease due to how inferior their units are. Horde units NEVER get better.

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I'm playing a Tuscany game, but I am always too lazy to diploannex large countries by breaking them up so I am really overextended. Right after I formed Italy, I went to war against my neighbors (they were all in a coalition against me, so I just said fuck it) and gained about 8 provinces - some of which had really high base tax, like savoie and naples. So now I have to deal with a ton of rebels Anybody know what to do once I complete my current goal of completely controlling the Venice and Genoa trade nodes? It's about 1530.


Alexandria -> Gulf of Aden -> India is the best way to leverage control of those nodes. You'll have to dismantle the Ottomans in the process, but challenges are fun.


Unfortunately Nogai and Uzbek are allied with the Ottomans...
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
April 30 2014 03:42 GMT
#1059
You can guess who the hordes will attack next, improve relations with their potential targets, then enforce peace on them when they declare war - due to distant war modifiers they often won't call in Ottomans. Force them to annul treaties with Ottomans once you're done messing them up.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
April 30 2014 05:27 GMT
#1060
On April 30 2014 12:42 419 wrote:
You can guess who the hordes will attack next, improve relations with their potential targets, then enforce peace on them when they declare war - due to distant war modifiers they often won't call in Ottomans. Force them to annul treaties with Ottomans once you're done messing them up.


This is why I'm not good at the game ^^ so many nuances
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
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