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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
November 15 2016 08:39 GMT
#3701
I think im never gonna get Dar Al Islam, always someone in iberia getting big as fuck then getting PU'd by some strong asshole like Austria/France
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
November 15 2016 10:01 GMT
#3702
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better than Ottomans
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-15 10:17:41
November 15 2016 10:11 GMT
#3703
Wouldnt Coptic Ottoman Emperor be better than this?

Anyway any thoughts on "one faith" achievment? I kinda think this is only douable as Catholic because of New World and subjects beaing shitty at converting (or can we now send missionaries to subjects?). Someone did this? In my opinion this is harder than WC not easier as some sugest.
Pathetic Greta hater.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-15 10:18:16
November 15 2016 10:17 GMT
#3704
Coptoman only maxes at 78%, since tribal government form gives 15% reduced core cost

You can do pretty funny stuff like take 250% overextension and not be scared since you core so fast
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4725 Posts
November 15 2016 10:22 GMT
#3705
Right.
What Very Hard achievemnts You guys found to be most fun? What would You recomend?
I am contemplating: One Faith, JIhad, Unify Islam but i am open to suggestions.
Pathetic Greta hater.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6204 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-15 10:38:56
November 15 2016 10:38 GMT
#3706
Great Khan as Mongolia is my favourite. You'll have challenges from start to finish with Oirait, China and Russia.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4725 Posts
November 15 2016 10:42 GMT
#3707
Already did Great Khan. Also my favourite and i recommend it to everyone.
Pathetic Greta hater.
nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany983 Posts
November 15 2016 10:45 GMT
#3708
Third Way with Mzab, you can also easily combine it with Unify Islam and if you want to go complete crazymode you can try One Faith with Ibadi. It was very hard and lots of fun, because conquering deserts in North Africa doesn't make you very strong.
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-15 14:02:44
November 15 2016 14:02 GMT
#3709
On November 15 2016 19:11 Silvanel wrote:
Wouldnt Coptic Ottoman Emperor be better than this?

Anyway any thoughts on "one faith" achievment? I kinda think this is only douable as Catholic because of New World and subjects beaing shitty at converting (or can we now send missionaries to subjects?). Someone did this? In my opinion this is harder than WC not easier as some sugest.


If your subjects are shitty at converting you picked the wrong subjects. For One Faith you specifically target nations that are exceptionally good at converting. A few examples just of the top of my head: Byzantium,Bremen/Verden, all the christian theocracies with divine ideas, Ajuuraan, Castille (hard to make a subject unless you PU). IIRC all of these pick religious ideas and get massive missionary strength and/or extra missionaries.
One Faith can certainly be harder than a WC especially if you try a non-abrahamic religion, but it also can be a lot easier if you go catholic- take out the religious centers once the reformation hits and all you need to do is roll over Asia and Africa.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4725 Posts
November 15 2016 14:45 GMT
#3710
When i am talking subjects i mean colonial nations. They tend to be catholic since they are formed by Spain/Portugal/France etc. and even if You take them over early they rarly manage to convert all provinces.

Re: nimbim
I dont think One Faith as Ibadi is really feasible.
Pathetic Greta hater.
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-15 19:36:06
November 15 2016 16:07 GMT
#3711
On November 15 2016 23:45 Silvanel wrote:
When i am talking subjects i mean colonial nations. They tend to be catholic since they are formed by Spain/Portugal/France etc. and even if You take them over early they rarly manage to convert all provinces.

Re: nimbim
I dont think One Faith as Ibadi is really feasible.


If you are not catholic you need to take out the colonizers as early as possible. At the current state of the game you might need a little luck if your start is slow. If all 4 pick exploration first and you take a while to be able to threaten them you'll have a lot of catching up to do in the new world. Usually you're fine if you cripple the Iberians (who spam the most and are the weakest-just noCB Granada and go from there) early and since colonial nations get +2% strength they should have little trouble converting, even if they can only do it 1 province at a time. You just have to stop the colonizers building 3 new ones in the time it takes your CN to convert 1, and not play like you would in a WC where you leave the new world for last. When you look at some of the "guess what year it is" world map screenshots on /r/eu4 you'll find that more often than not it takes the colonizers quite some time to really get the spam going. When they get Rulers with shitty diplo or pick exploration late, their colonies can be quite small even in the late 1500s.

edit: Ibadi One Faith isn't very different from Sunni or Shia. Pick Ottomans, get Ibadi rebells, convert. Only difference is that you have a few more provinces to convert- namely the Sunni ones. Doing One Faith as a nation that starts as Ibadi is of course a bit more challenging.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-15 19:38:43
November 15 2016 19:36 GMT
#3712
Yes, luckily Iberia is in a very nice AE region (if you ally France practically no one cares about what you do to them except Italians) and if you're AE-locked, Leon is a pretty good chunk of dev (not to mention that Leon will colonize on its own)

Path did an Ibadi one-tag one faith as Oman in 1.14:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/post-your-europa-universalis-4-empire.707840/page-505#post-20432126

Obviously stuff has changed since then. But on the other hand there's no need to Westernize so there's potential for even more explosive starts.

Path is also the guy that wrote what I think is the definitive AAR teaching the mindset of expanding fast: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/furor-barbarorum-–-1-15-1-gothic-invasion.913779/
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nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
November 15 2016 21:23 GMT
#3713
On November 16 2016 04:36 419 wrote:
Yes, luckily Iberia is in a very nice AE region (if you ally France practically no one cares about what you do to them except Italians) and if you're AE-locked, Leon is a pretty good chunk of dev (not to mention that Leon will colonize on its own)

Path did an Ibadi one-tag one faith as Oman in 1.14:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/post-your-europa-universalis-4-empire.707840/page-505#post-20432126

Obviously stuff has changed since then. But on the other hand there's no need to Westernize so there's potential for even more explosive starts.

Path is also the guy that wrote what I think is the definitive AAR teaching the mindset of expanding fast: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/furor-barbarorum-–-1-15-1-gothic-invasion.913779/


Religious boni not carrying over is probably the biggest blow to all one faith attempts though. I think they even caught the shik and unify islam ones. Damn, thanks Obama !
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
November 15 2016 21:43 GMT
#3714
On November 15 2016 19:22 Silvanel wrote:
Right.
What Very Hard achievemnts You guys found to be most fun? What would You recomend?
I am contemplating: One Faith, JIhad, Unify Islam but i am open to suggestions.

My friend said Jihad isnt that difficult at all honestly. Unify Islam isnt hard either if you don't get constantly cockblocked like i do by France/Austria + Castile or Aragon in a PU.

How do you guys start out Great Khan? That's something I've wanted to do for a while but I can't quite get the start down well enough to manage it.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-16 16:24:31
November 16 2016 15:52 GMT
#3715
Played a game as Dahomey, VH Ironman, with the goal of kicking all the euros out of Africa
Finished the campaign with an epic no CB war against an ally of a France
Imagedump of the last war because I'm pretty proud
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Bought mil tech 23 about 9 years ahead of time, had total of +30% infantry combat, +20% arti combat, 127,5% discipline and 40% siege strength not counting the spy. The ideas and policies I chose did not disappoint.

Highlights of the game: Increasing my size tenfold in the first 6 years of the game, by convincing my ally to wage war in exchange for some land. I ended up annexing the entire ally of my first target, then peaced out of the war with the initial target just for some gold. Cute way to get some land and not upset your ally that he didn't get any.

Massive gold issues in the midgame due to unbalanced research giving +0.5 corruption per year. What can I say, I love my mil tech
Buying a technology or two for sub 300 points afterwards.

Missclicking an event once, getting Nobility influence up to 97 when their loyalty was sub 50. A lot of rebels were spawned that day.

France being the HRE for a hundred of years or so, until the Ulmites took over

Aragon having PU over Austria, annexing it very shortly after my war with France.

Castile relocating into South America after Aragon gave them a proper spanking over in Europe, just so they can become the nation with the 2nd highest income and 5th largest army.

Tried to play without using any loans and debasing, but unfortunately couldn't manage without it. Had a very rough war with Morocco that demanded 4 loans, but I tried to keep them to minimum.

Taking Colonization idea first, to creep towards Portugal on the Ivory Coast and get me some sweet sweet tech discounts, before replacing it for Innovative. Thank Paradox for putting the idea replacement thing in.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
November 16 2016 21:30 GMT
#3716
That is pretty impressive, OPM starts on VH is basically like playing a completely different game.

Though I guess we have very different approaches to loaning - I feel like often one can choose to wait or loan, and even though waiting is often more wise, its more fun to loan and try crazy wars.
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-17 04:52:13
November 17 2016 04:42 GMT
#3717
My approach to loaning is that I am a big fan of DDRJake and he doesn't take loans, do I don't want to either
But during that game, I kinda loosened up on the rule, since it's not the easiest start.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4725 Posts
November 17 2016 08:37 GMT
#3718
There was a time i was strongly against loaning. Not anymore.
Time is only resource in game which is not only limited but You cant influance its income. If time is a factor Loans are the thing to do. Otherwise of course You can wait.
Loaning is especially good if You are expanding fast, as Your base income increases You can loan more, so instead of taking more loans You just take New Loans. Also if You are catholic and running administrative ideas loans are dirty cheap. You will be stupid not to loan.
Also there are times in game (for example when You badly need canons or ships) when waiting isnt an option. If You desperatly need a fleet to take control of strait - just take loans and build it.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
November 17 2016 09:12 GMT
#3719
It's not that I think loans are bad, loans are of course extremely powerful, but it feels a bit silly to just conjure up tons of money out of thin air with very little penalty, which I why I generally avoid doing it.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4725 Posts
November 17 2016 10:12 GMT
#3720
I dont get this. Monarchs were taking loans all the time during this timeframe. But to each his own.
Pathetic Greta hater.
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