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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4704 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-21 22:45:02
February 21 2015 22:43 GMT
#2541
You can try to sell province to Spain, Portugal, Venice. But i am not sure if You can westrenize from distant oversea province.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1883 Posts
February 21 2015 23:18 GMT
#2542
I don't see anybody non asian
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
February 22 2015 09:47 GMT
#2543
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unreformed of course. fighting Ottomans with eastern archers was rough, I can only imagine France will be worse..
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nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany983 Posts
February 22 2015 09:53 GMT
#2544
On February 16 2015 07:30 Broetchenholer wrote:
For instance, why can the AI call in allies months after the war started? They broke the alliance when the war started cause of debt etc., the really after 2 years and immediately enter the war as if it just started....


This so much. I just started my 2nd attempt at Tuscany and got screwed over by it. I took the "Take Ancona" misson and declared war on Urbino on day 1. A year later, when I was almost done with the siege, Aragon allied with them and the Naples army came to roll over me. When I saw that they had suddenly a new ally who would help them in the war I tried to do the same (had Austria+Venice relations up), but obviously they wouldn't accept an alliance while I'm at war. This sucks so much and it's also pretty random, because in my first Tuscany game I took Urbino without anything like this happening.
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-22 10:20:40
February 22 2015 10:17 GMT
#2545
On February 22 2015 18:53 nimbim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 07:30 Broetchenholer wrote:
For instance, why can the AI call in allies months after the war started? They broke the alliance when the war started cause of debt etc., the really after 2 years and immediately enter the war as if it just started....


This so much. I just started my 2nd attempt at Tuscany and got screwed over by it. I took the "Take Ancona" misson and declared war on Urbino on day 1. A year later, when I was almost done with the siege, Aragon allied with them and the Naples army came to roll over me. When I saw that they had suddenly a new ally who would help them in the war I tried to do the same (had Austria+Venice relations up), but obviously they wouldn't accept an alliance while I'm at war. This sucks so much and it's also pretty random, because in my first Tuscany game I took Urbino without anything like this happening.


in a defensive war you only get a -40 to -60 "at war" penalty for alliances sometimes while in an aggressive war you always get -1000. I don't quite understand why you sometimes get the full -1000 and sometimes only this smaller modifier but it saved my Byzantium run because I could ally Austria after Ottomans declared war on me and call them in

But if Urbino only got the small modifier they can easily still ally Aragon because of protective attitude (that's a +50 modifier)
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-22 12:31:00
February 22 2015 12:30 GMT
#2546
On February 22 2015 18:53 nimbim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 07:30 Broetchenholer wrote:
For instance, why can the AI call in allies months after the war started? They broke the alliance when the war started cause of debt etc., the really after 2 years and immediately enter the war as if it just started....


This so much. I just started my 2nd attempt at Tuscany and got screwed over by it. I took the "Take Ancona" misson and declared war on Urbino on day 1. A year later, when I was almost done with the siege, Aragon allied with them and the Naples army came to roll over me. When I saw that they had suddenly a new ally who would help them in the war I tried to do the same (had Austria+Venice relations up), but obviously they wouldn't accept an alliance while I'm at war. This sucks so much and it's also pretty random, because in my first Tuscany game I took Urbino without anything like this happening.


This has happened to me a number of times when I started day 1 wars (even back in EU3). I've learned to just not roll the dice any more and let them get their starting alliances and work from there.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4704 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-22 14:50:21
February 22 2015 14:50 GMT
#2547
On February 22 2015 08:18 Broetchenholer wrote:
I don't see anybody non asian


When You are at war with someone You can walki into his provinces even when they are not uncovered. Hope this helps.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1883 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-22 16:09:35
February 22 2015 15:59 GMT
#2548
I went with the only solution i saw possible. cacel religious ideas, take exploration, waste 1080 admin points. Going to war with Ottomans was no option, only way to get to Tunis would have been trucebreaking Mamluks or waiting 8 years and i did not have any more time to waste. In retrospect it might have even been better to just not westernize. Military tech is no problem as India, the real problem comes from admin and diplo but maybe i should have jsut stomped Asia with what i had. Whatever, now i am westernised, an currently trying to punch syria out of ottomans. I have 2 miltech levels on him and he just lost 2 100 warscore wars vs austria, so i declared while the second was just going. Its soooo frustrating. It's like fighting france, just that he can hide behind the fucking bosporus and he shatters all his troups to constantinople, every time. After 2 big battles i haven't even put a dent in his manpower. Meanwhile getting warscore is incredibly hard cause it is a reconqest cb. He has just too many provinces. And even if i take all his turkish provinces, i might not get the deal i want. But the single most annoying thing must be that stupid new rebel system. Mid war, a terror stack of 25k syrian patriots spawn on one of my sieged provinces. They are hostile to me, cause, why not? They are not hostile to the Ottomans, what makes total sense. In the end, they will problably edfect to Persia or Qara or France, cause fuck you Broetchenholer! Oh, and of course now 25k ottoman troops hide in that province, chilling with their syrian buddies! Sieging the province back while the syrians make falafel. QQ

And now this has to take the crown of absurdity. Ottomans had a 3rd war going against crimea. Crimea attacked ottomans to get a province. After a white peace, they immediately allied them and joined the war. Nice.
pfff
Profile Joined May 2004
Belgium1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-23 21:53:15
February 23 2015 21:49 GMT
#2549
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Just finished my first game ever, thought I would post a small report as those were the reason I bought this game in the first place :-) Anyway, very awesome game, feels super-epic, although I think the early and the midgame are a bit more fun than the late game.

I really struggled in the first 100 years or so screwing up a lot trying to conquer the smaller nations around me simply because I did not understand the alliance/vassal mechanics. I also bought way too much buildings setting me behind on tech a lot (but giving me infinite money pretty quickly :-) ). After I started understanding things it became really cool though.

Basically my gameplan after I got hold of the basics was conquering as many downstream trade nodes from constantinople. After this I had pretty much infinite money/manpower, although I was superlow on all king powers as I rolled shitty shitty kings for 200 years straight, basically starting after the janissaries killed the Mehmed dinasty I think, so pretty cool if this works as intended :-) I tried to be as efficient as possible with my time, but for some reason in the end I pretty much got caught up in infinite wars with, where often I wouldnt be the warleader making it hard to expand via these wars:

- commonwealth/scandinavia, these wars were useless as they had the expensive coring tech, I would break up their nation and they would just reconquer everything. Was pretty awesome to see them get triple teamed by me, austria and brandenburg each time although we werent allied with each other :-)
- spain, was pretty cool but got easy when I was rich enough to annihilate the navies of all countries combined with my 400+ threedeckers. The last 100 years or so I focused on getting New Ottomans, Canadian Ottomans, South African Ottomans, ... off of spain. I didnt know those nations automatically formed so was pleasantly surprise :-) Really hard to get high enough warscore when they owe 90% of the americas after annexing portugal though.
- Mughals/Hejaz/Kazan/Morocco together with my longtime ally Uzbek, basically very useful wars that really gained me a lot, but I was so distracted due to constant & useless wars with European nations (mainly caused by my other longtime ally France) that I didnt have enough time for these :-)
- Really wanted to take italy/venice/india but simply didnt have left-over diplomatic powers for this, everyone there was always trying to do a coalition against me :-)

Anyway, was really cool to see everything evolve, seeing England get wiped by scotland/france when I helped kill all its colonies, seeing mallaca completely dominating south-east asia for some reason, seeing mughals almost wiped after being number 1 cuz I needed like 4 trade nodes from them, seeing Muscovy completely explode :-)

Minor issues:

- Any tips on getting out of late-game wars that your ally started? I didnt want to make a separate peace because I conquered a lot of territory that I wasnt able to demand in a separate peace but I was sure my ally would be giving to me in a 100% victory, but I really was stuck at like 91% for ages when both Mughal and Spain core territories were fully taken. Also I was superhappy with my 100% trust French/Uzbek partnerships and didnt want to ruin these via a separate peace.
- Warning for other new players, Unite Islam requires you to have all nations as an islam religion, do not do this if you go for negative piety and conquer Rome :-)
- Any way to get the Suez canal working? It wouldve been so awesome to get my transport fleet through this but the king power requirements were waaaaaaay to high
- How useful/necessary is giving gold to your colonies/vassals? Every time I did it they seemed to build a huge army, but I'm not sure if this was correlation or causation
It ain’t no sin to be glad you’re alive
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
February 25 2015 00:27 GMT
#2550
sep peace is fine, I don't think it hurts your trust.

90% of the time you pretty much want to run high piety as a muslim, unless you're doing some super tolerant humanist build (ottomans can get away with it due to their +3 heathens). There are some other situations (colonial / western european exodus game) but for the most part the +10% morale is pretty incredible.

canals are terrible

subsidizing your vassals generally helps more than giving them huge cash gifts.
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Irratonalys
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany902 Posts
February 26 2015 17:47 GMT
#2551
anyone else ironman savegame broken?
The futures uncertain , but the end is always near
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
February 26 2015 19:21 GMT
#2552
did you patch already?
1.10 is not compatible with old savegames
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Irratonalys
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany902 Posts
February 26 2015 19:47 GMT
#2553
and my Poland game was going so well
The futures uncertain , but the end is always near
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6196 Posts
February 26 2015 20:13 GMT
#2554
Try setting it back to patch 1.9 and then you can finish it. Although since it's already broken I'm not sure you can still play it.
Anesthetic
Profile Joined April 2012
United States225 Posts
February 27 2015 07:11 GMT
#2555
Hey guys, since the expansion + patch came out I'm once again wondering if people are interested in playing a multiplayer game. So far I've had a couple of responses and if anyone would be interested in joining please PM me on steam so we can set up a schedule/rules for everyone.

Here is my steam : http://steamcommunity.com/id/Bxanesthetic/
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
February 27 2015 07:18 GMT
#2556
Sadly I can't join the MP session. My schedule with studies is a bit tough right now and I don't know if I'll have the time for a MP.

Just started a game as Cusco with El Dorado. Man these new events (So much free stability!) and mechanics for S.Americans are pretty fun. Now I'm just waiting for my manpower to recover and then it's only 2-3 wars left before I have control over western south America.
EZ4ENCE
annedeman
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-02 13:27:50
March 02 2015 13:24 GMT
#2557
mm, having trouble with playing Aztecs, i just got totally run over by spain/portugal twice before i had a change to westernize,
anyone got some tips?, i am seriously considering taking Aristocracy idea group, to make them want my provinces less to give me time to westernize and expand before they attack me, but i am not completely sure if that will work and how much less they want my provinces and how much missions will influence that, also have not been able to get some nation to protectorate me.
my native american run went reasonably well but when playing them they did not attack me untill i was westernized, at which point i would grow enough after the first lost war to win the second, and here they keep attacking me each time truce timer is up, and the first attack was before i even have a western tech nation bordering me
RAIN!!!, MMA!!,Innovation!!,Parting!!
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6196 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-04 16:01:24
March 04 2015 16:01 GMT
#2558
On February 22 2015 18:47 419 wrote:
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unreformed of course. fighting Ottomans with eastern archers was rough, I can only imagine France will be worse..
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I finished my game up and decided to reform and westernise.

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My first tech since I westernised :D. 90 admin a tech, I had 3 admin idea groups though.

I stayed buddhist the whole game (works pretty well with Humanism, you won't have to convert any lands in China that way) In the end I went for the great khan achievement as well and got it. Alhough pretty late, in the end I had to fight some big ass wars with half of europe.

Not sure which game will be next though...
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 06 2015 23:27 GMT
#2559
What ideas should I do as Korea?
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
March 07 2015 00:46 GMT
#2560
wow, paradox just massively nerfbatted hordes AGAIN
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