what are the best early moves as Burgundy, i allied castille und declared on france with them while france was still fighting the english , but our armys still got wiped. how do i beat france?

Bojas

Netherlands2397 Posts

February 18 2015 13:05 GMT

#2522

On February 18 2015 21:58 Irratonalys wrote:
what are the best early moves as Burgundy, i allied castille und declared on france with them while france was still fighting the english , but our armys still got wiped. how do i beat france?

Fabricate claim on Champagne, then ally Castile and Aragon and you should be able to beat France. If not at first, just keep throwing mercs at them using Dutch taxpayer's money, France will sooner or later run out of resources. AE is by far the biggest problem in my experience.

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If you find a way to dismantle France faster with less AE, please let me know. I took like 1 or 2 provinces without a claim that game and still got so much AE.

Silvanel

Poland4729 Posts

February 18 2015 13:23 GMT

#2523

I cant see what year its exactly, but judging from the tech its still pretty early in game. So You took a huge chunks of land in a short time. Thats a definition of AE-->working as intended. Other than using the idea from influence i dont think You can limit AE by a lot.

Bojas

Netherlands2397 Posts

February 18 2015 13:41 GMT

#2524

On February 18 2015 22:23 Silvanel wrote:
I cant see what year its exactly, but judging from the tech its still pretty early in game. So You took a huge chunks of land in a short time. Thats a definition of AE-->working as intended. Other than using the idea from influence i dont think You can limit AE by a lot.

I fed Guyenne cores and had claims on other provinces I took, etc., so it's not like I played reckless.. It's 1497 in that screenshot.

If you actually wait for AE to decay the game wouldn't be fun in my eyes at all. Most of my European games end with the coalition becoming too big.

For instance: you get a regency council for 15 years, now all different parts of the coalition, normally divided by truce timings, all join together.

Anyway I just asked him to let me know if he finds a way to do it as fast with less AE ^^.

Silvanel

Poland4729 Posts

February 18 2015 13:59 GMT

#2525

I am dealing with coalitions this way. Attack someone who is not in a coaltion, but has a coalition member (or two ) as ally. Fight them. Peace them out. Then fight rest of the coalition, or if its too big do it again. Then continue to fight them in different wars as they cant join coalition as long as they have peace with You. If get regency, then its too bad

You are screwed

Bojas

Netherlands2397 Posts

February 18 2015 14:11 GMT

#2526

On February 18 2015 22:59 Silvanel wrote:
If get regency, then its too bad

You are screwed

Yep.
Also if you mismanage a war and because of that the war lasts too long and another group joins up it can be GG as well.

I recently learned that you can declare on an OPM member of the coalition to peace out easily. If I knew that trick earlier I would have less issues. The screenshot in the post above is 3 months old

Anesthetic

United States225 Posts

February 18 2015 14:38 GMT

#2527

Are people interested in setting up a multiplayer game with TL members? Multiplayer can be loads of fun (if we can get the schedule to work for everyone)

Irratonalys

Germany902 Posts

February 18 2015 15:48 GMT

#2528

im in , you can use doodle for scheduling, do you want to do a free for all or a themed game? like everyone plays an elector in the HRE or a japanese daymio

Anesthetic

United States225 Posts

February 19 2015 19:11 GMT

#2529

I would prefer to play a free for all, playing those types of games can get certain people knocked out really quickly due to just being unlucky.

cythaze

830 Posts

February 19 2015 19:25 GMT

#2530

About Burgundy starts:
There is a slim chance that Austria is not rivaled to you at the beginning, that way you can easily crush france with help from them and castille.
in addition this removes most of the AE austria would get and you have one additional ally that protects you from the coalitions.
also: declaring on one of france´s vassals oftentimes removes the "opinion to enemy"-factor or w/e it´s called, so you can get countries to join in that usally wouldn´t.

Regarding MP:
I´d love to play some, dunno about my schedule in march tho :/

Bojas

Netherlands2397 Posts

February 19 2015 19:27 GMT

#2531

I might be up for it depending on the schedule. I'd prefer a maximum amount of base tax free for all. In a week the nation designer comes out, which is amazing for multiplayer.

Yello

Germany7411 Posts

February 19 2015 21:20 GMT

#2532

I would also join if we can get it set up weekdays in the evenings (CET). Never played multiplayer so I have no idea how we would do it. Maybe everyone picks a big nation (Castille, France, England, Austria, Moscovy, Ottomans, Sweden) so we can immediately get into the action. Or maybe rather have everyone start small to beat up on a few AI opponents for a little bit before we get the big wars going?

RvB

Netherlands6210 Posts

February 19 2015 22:00 GMT

#2533

Depending on the schedule I'm in as well. Agreed with Bojas on the max amount of base tax but we can make up the rules when we have enough players.

Broetchenholer

Germany1944 Posts

February 19 2015 22:33 GMT

#2534

Sounds great

If i can manage the schedule i would be in

Regarding the question with the coalitions, make sure you have an isolated opm in the coalition, declare on him, siege him down as fast as possible and you will be able to peace the whole coalition out after a very short while. Works great if you can pull it off. Today it almost backfired on me though, wanted to do the trick with taungoo, coalition wasn't too big, but ming with 2 military tech advantage over me was part of it. Ming rushed 50k troops down into indochina and directly into Taungoo :D Things suddenly looked pretty complicated, so only do it if you are sure you can pull it off in time, assault on the walls might be needed in some cases.

URfavHO

United States514 Posts

February 19 2015 22:48 GMT

#2535

interested in mp. I would likely bring another friend of mine, both from california in the pacific standard timezone.

suggestions:
-why not wait for the update coming out soon, then just have everybody use the nation builder and turn off the lucky nations thing?
-a weekly game on the weekends is probably our best bet if we want to be inclusive of timezones

Anesthetic

United States225 Posts

February 20 2015 20:07 GMT

#2536

Awesome, if everybody interested could message me on Steam (BxAnesthetic) we can start trying to get a feel for everybody's schedule. Hopefully weekend like URfavHO suggested.

Bojas

Netherlands2397 Posts

February 20 2015 22:02 GMT

#2537

On February 21 2015 05:07 Anesthetic wrote:
Awesome, if everybody interested could message me on Steam (BxAnesthetic) we can start trying to get a feel for everybody's schedule. Hopefully weekend like URfavHO suggested.

I have sent you a friend invite. :D

Ysellian

Netherlands9029 Posts

February 21 2015 09:18 GMT

#2538

pacific timezone can be a bit of bitch for anyone from Europe.

WindWolf

Sweden11767 Posts

February 21 2015 10:42 GMT

#2539

So El Dorado releases next week. Will be fun playing around with custom nations

Broetchenholer

Germany1944 Posts

February 21 2015 22:15 GMT

#2540

Is there a trick to get a Core next to a wesern nation without having Exploration? I am ciurrently controlling the egyptian coastline as an Indian nation, but i forgot that i still can't explore the mediteranean... And i need wesernisation in the next ~20 years or never, cause i can't feed my current 5 vassals much longer.