EPTPeople have no sense of humour.
And that cleric being poorly written is certainly not worth a 0 on every review site out there.
I've yet to play the game, I'll get to it once a couple patches are out.
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Merany
France890 Posts
People have no sense of humour. And that cleric being poorly written is certainly not worth a 0 on every review site out there. I've yet to play the game, I'll get to it once a couple patches are out. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4376 Posts
Personally im sick of SJWs ruining everything they touch.This one gets thrown to the curb with the new ghostbusters movie for me. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 05 2016 17:33 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Well if Minsc making jokes about gamergate is what you want in a Baldurs Gate game then go for it. Personally im sick of SJWs ruining everything they touch.This one gets thrown to the curb with the new ghostbusters movie for me. Not everyone followed GG. Or cared. GG is bullshit for people that don't have anything more important in life to fight for, or as people like to say: First world problems. It is wrong to use a BG game to create a virtual battlefield over, especially when you got so many games that are I am sure much bigger offenders (like Dragon Age or Mass Effect). | ||
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Merany
France890 Posts
On April 05 2016 17:33 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Well if Minsc making jokes about gamergate is what you want in a Baldurs Gate game then go for it. Personally im sick of SJWs ruining everything they touch.This one gets thrown to the curb with the new ghostbusters movie for me. You got it. It's a joke. A one line freakin' joke. Nobody should give a shit about that. Indeed much bigger problems in the world. Is the whole game poorly written? That I can understand. But as far as I know, it is not the case, nothing is "ruined"... Some people should just got get a sense of humor, "very useful talent toi have" as someone very wise once said. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
Its out of place, its forced and it would be better without it. | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On April 05 2016 17:33 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Well if Minsc making jokes about gamergate is what you want in a Baldurs Gate game then go for it. Personally im sick of SJWs ruining everything they touch.This one gets thrown to the curb with the new ghostbusters movie for me. Anything that pisses of goobergoobers is a win to me, no matter how poorly written. You trolls get worked up over the most ridiculous shit, then throw a tantrum when called out on it, yet somehow "SJW" are ruining things. Uhu. The lack of self-awareness is staggering. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 05 2016 21:19 LaNague wrote: the expansion is bad, this whole forced trans thing is just a really good sign of what kind of writer made the DLC. Its out of place, its forced and it would be better without it. What is bad beside this 0.1% of content with the trans? Did you play it at all, or are you just c/p what others said? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 05 2016 21:49 Thax wrote: Anything that pisses of goobergoobers is a win to me, no matter how poorly written. You trolls get worked up over the most ridiculous shit, then throw a tantrum when called out on it, yet somehow "SJW" are ruining things. Uhu. The lack of self-awareness is staggering. “SJW, ruining video games by forcing trans characters into a world filled with elves and dragons.” I, too, am enjoying the fake internet outrage and the fear of the SJW bogyman here to force their political agenda on video games. Mind you, its not like games were devoid of politics if they don't have trans characters, but never mind that. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On April 05 2016 22:13 Plansix wrote: “SJW, ruining video games by forcing trans characters into a world filled with elves and dragons.” I, too, am enjoying the fake internet outrage and the fear of the SJW bogyman here to force their political agenda on video games. Mind you, its not like games were devoid of politics if they don't have trans characters, but never mind that. You have got to stop this ridiculous reductio ad absurdum way of spamming these forums. Keep it in the US politics thread where it apparently belongs. The criticisms of the trans cleric is not the presence of said person, it is the shitty characterwriting of said person (which multiple trans people (hurr durr on the internet everyone can be a trans) have pointed out as well). | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 05 2016 23:16 Ghostcom wrote: You have got to stop this ridiculous reductio ad absurdium way of spamming these forums. Keep it in the US politics thread where it apparently belongs. The criticisms of the trans cleric is not the presence of said person, it is the shitty characterwriting of said person (which multiple trans people (hurr durr on the internet everyone can be a trans) have pointed out as well). Got news for you, everything is political. An attempt to be devoid of “politics” is still at political stance. And the character can be poorly written, which is fine. But then just limit the criticism to that and not “it’s a poorly written trans character.” | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On April 05 2016 23:20 Plansix wrote: Got news for you, everything is political. An attempt to be devoid of “politics” is still at political stance. And the character can be poorly written, which is fine. But then just limit the criticism to that and not “it’s a poorly written trans character.” The entire point of the criticism is that it is so in the face that the person is trans that it makes for a terrible character - the character is literally nothing but trans. With EVERY. SINGLE. ACTION. You are literally asking people to complain about the colour red being too red without using the word red. Did you even play the game? | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 05 2016 23:16 Ghostcom wrote: You have got to stop this ridiculous reductio ad absurdum way of spamming these forums. Keep it in the US politics thread where it apparently belongs. The criticisms of the trans cleric is not the presence of said person, it is the shitty characterwriting of said person (which multiple trans people (hurr durr on the internet everyone can be a trans) have pointed out as well). So what? Show me another game where people make such big problem because of one not good enough conversation that does not involve LGBT? You don't have it? You don't say. How unexpected. I am not part of LGBT community and don't really care what happens in that world (I consider myself neutral on the whole issue) but acting like this shitshow that happened around this expansion is just about bad writing is insulting to any intelligent person. | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 05 2016 23:27 Ghostcom wrote: The entire point of the criticism is that it is so in the face that the person is trans that it makes for a terrible character - the character is literally nothing but trans. With EVERY. SINGLE. ACTION. You are literally asking people to complain about the colour red being too red without using the word red. Did you even play the game? No, I have not. I read a break down on the story in a couple pieces which did cite that the character was a little myopic in design and lacked depth. Which is an issue with a lot of video game characters. I have a couple friends who played it and told me it the character was passable and not worthy of the outrage. I trust their assessment along side the couple pieces I read. I have no problem with people criticizing bad writing or a one note character, that is totally valid. When I am mocking the outrage, I am mocking people who say “I don’t want these gay and trans characters in my fantasy games, they don’t make sense. Only dragons and elves for me.” There is a difference between the two. On April 05 2016 23:36 Dysisa wrote: I don't mind a trans character being in Baldur's Gate or D&D in general, the tools to make that happen have always been around. The problem is that the one in question is terribly written and a lot of things about her clash with D&D as a whole. People like Plansix won't understand that though, he's not the type to listen to things he doesn't want to hear. I listen to plenty of people, but the argument people put out there sometimes suck. Badly written characters have been part of video games for decades. This is just one of them and I am willing to accept that she might not be will written. But I don't think she is any worse than the one note characters in the Division. Like the guy who is an ex-hollywood actor and that is literally all he talks about. | ||
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Mattidute
Netherlands232 Posts
On April 05 2016 22:02 -Archangel- wrote: What is bad beside this 0.1% of content with the trans? Did you play it at all, or are you just c/p what others said? The real bad part about this expansion is that it made nearly if not all the mods for Baldur's Gate to stop working with the game. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On April 05 2016 23:34 -Archangel- wrote: So what? Show me another game where people make such big problem because of one not good enough conversation that does not involve LGBT? You don't have it? You don't say. How unexpected. I am not part of LGBT community and don't really care what happens in that world (I consider myself neutral on the whole issue) but acting like this shitshow that happened around this expansion is just about bad writing is insulting to any intelligent person. If you want to argue, how about you let me present my arguments and focus on presenting yours? People complain about bad writing all the time - likely because very often games are poorly written (or have a bad story but are well written). Take the shitstorm following ME:3 and their ending. Shit, take Starcraft 2 on these very forums and the shitshow we saw after all of the 3 expansions complaining about the story. The third time it was kept to a dull roar because most had come to expect a shitty story which might explain why you don't remember it. There is a reason why Half Life 3 has not been produced yet and it is not because they are afraid of it not selling, but because it can ONLY disappoint. The shitshow that is happening around this expansion is akin to what happened with the new trilogy of Star Wars (1-3) compared to the originals (4-6). There is a lot of nostalgia surrounding the BG-series and this expansion is buggy, poorly written, and failed to live up to the hype. This shitshow is literally no different than any of the above mentioned - except that this time a trans character is in the midst of it because the trans cleric is the best and most obvious example of how shit the writing is. EDIT: I'm going to ignore Plansix from now on. If you haven't played the game and don't understand the nostalgia of the BG-series (which as was mentioned above has actually always been rather ambiguous about the whole gender/sexuality-theme) then you really don't understand what is going on. A trans character is more than welcome in the universe. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 05 2016 23:48 Ghostcom wrote: If you want to argue, how about you let me present my arguments and focus on presenting yours? People complain about bad writing all the time - likely because very often games are poorly written (or have a bad story but are well written). Take the shitstorm following ME:3 and their ending. Shit, take Starcraft 2 on these very forums and the shitshow we saw after all of the 3 expansions complaining about the story. The third time it was kept to a dull roar because most had come to expect a shitty story which might explain why you don't remember it. There is a reason why Half Life 3 has not been produced yet and it is not because they are afraid of it not selling, but because it can ONLY disappoint. The shitshow that is happening around this expansion is akin to what happened with the new trilogy of Star Wars (1-3) compared to the originals (4-6). There is a lot of nostalgia surrounding the BG-series and this expansion is buggy, poorly written, and failed to live up to the hype. This shitshow is literally no different than any of the above mentioned - except that this time a trans character is in the midst of it because the trans cleric is the best and most obvious example of how shit the writing is. EDIT: I'm going to ignore Plansix from now on. If you haven't played the game and don't understand the nostalgia of the BG-series (which as was mentioned above has actually always been rather ambiguous about the whole gender/sexuality-theme) then you really don't understand what is going on. A trans character is more than welcome in the universe. You didn't present what I asked. Read again please and come back when you got a real example. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On April 05 2016 23:42 Mattidute wrote: The real bad part about this expansion is that it made nearly if not all the mods for Baldur's Gate to stop working with the game. Devs said that is because of how Steam and GoG release packaged the expansion. They work normally with beamdog version. Devs are working on fixing that, there is a workaround in the meantime: https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/50441/modmerge-merge-your-steam-gog-zip-based-dlc-into-something-weidu-nearinfinity-dltcep-can-use/p1 | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On April 05 2016 23:55 -Archangel- wrote: You didn't present what I asked. Read again please and come back when you got a real example. On April 05 2016 23:48 Ghostcom wrote: This shitshow is literally no different than any of the above mentioned - except that this time a trans character is in the midst of it because the trans cleric is the best and most obvious example of how shit the writing is. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 05 2016 23:48 Ghostcom wrote: EDIT: I'm going to ignore Plansix from now on. If you haven't played the game and don't understand the nostalgia of the BG-series (which as was mentioned above has actually always been rather ambiguous about the whole gender/sexuality-theme) then you really don't understand what is going on. A trans character is more than welcome in the universe. That might be your opinion and that is great, but there are a lot of people making noise that trans characters shouldn't be in the game at all. Or at least that seems to be a lot of the focus with the review bombing on steam. I am sure that isn't reflective of the majority BG fans, but it is a thing that is happening. | ||
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