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On December 19 2012 12:22 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 12:10 Damiani wrote:On December 19 2012 11:51 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On December 19 2012 08:47 DannyJ wrote:
They still won 11 games. It just shows that so much of a QB being good or bad is what scheme or coach is around him. I feel like whoever was QB of the Jets the last fews years, at least if it was a rookie coming in like Sanchez, would have been pretty terrible. Rex Ryan should not be a head football coach. I really think the problems begin above Rex, with the GM (can't spell his name off the top of my head). Rex is a pretty good coach, it's just that being a clown doesn't fly when the team is losing. I agree. I think coaching has a major roll. Alex Smith of the 49ers is living proof that a good coach could make a mediocre QB look decent. If a team fail always target the people up top first. That's management and coaching. Smith could have always been a competent QB he def had the talent in college and had good looks during the draft but he got drafted into probably the most dysfunctional team at the time, which didn't get much better over the years except in surrounding him with good talent to be developed, getting high draft picks off all dem horrible seasons. I mean when they get trent dilfer in there to be a mentor to their rookie QB you got problemz. I think good coaching really helped everyone on the niner team not just smith, although smith has such a bad history getting injured and re-injured. Jets' talent problems comes from them spending too much trading draft picks for veterans now the team is older and it just falls apart especially on offense. And apparently the jets' vets can't keep their mouths shut.
I actually want to address the "he had the talent in college" -- not really! He notoriously started a very small sample size of games on a very well loaded team who was far, far better than most of their competition in an offense that was easy to execute and didn't ask much of him. Even his former coach said he wasn't ready for the NFL.
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On December 19 2012 15:51 Damiani wrote:
So i'm in the Championship game for my FF league and i'm wondering who should i start at QB:
Matthew Stafford, Peyton Manning or Eli Manning?
I'm leaning toward Matthew Stafford because Detroit tends to play well in dome stadiun. Plus I know Detroit wants Megatron to break Jerry Rice all time receiving yrds in a year record.
But then Peyton Manning is playing vs Cleveland. I'm afraid Denver is gonna blow out Cleveland by halftime and Peyton might not pass in the 2nd half.
Suggestions anyone?
Eli had some shaky games in the last weeks, I wouldn't really trust him much right now. They're up against the Ravens, who also had a bit of trouble and they could still make the playoffs, so I'm not sure if he'll get some extra motivation to get his act together.
Stafford is really hit or miss this season, so it's more of a gamble. I have him in one of my teams, but I usually start Luck over him.
I'd go for Peyton. I don't really think they're going to bench him even if they get a big lead. Their backup had 4 snaps this year and they all went for negative yards. The Browns have the worst pass defense of all the opponents and also the Broncos could still lose their Bye spot to the Pats, so they probably should play it safe.
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On December 19 2012 19:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 12:22 semantics wrote:On December 19 2012 12:10 Damiani wrote:On December 19 2012 11:51 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On December 19 2012 08:47 DannyJ wrote:
They still won 11 games. It just shows that so much of a QB being good or bad is what scheme or coach is around him. I feel like whoever was QB of the Jets the last fews years, at least if it was a rookie coming in like Sanchez, would have been pretty terrible. Rex Ryan should not be a head football coach. I really think the problems begin above Rex, with the GM (can't spell his name off the top of my head). Rex is a pretty good coach, it's just that being a clown doesn't fly when the team is losing. I agree. I think coaching has a major roll. Alex Smith of the 49ers is living proof that a good coach could make a mediocre QB look decent. If a team fail always target the people up top first. That's management and coaching. Smith could have always been a competent QB he def had the talent in college and had good looks during the draft but he got drafted into probably the most dysfunctional team at the time, which didn't get much better over the years except in surrounding him with good talent to be developed, getting high draft picks off all dem horrible seasons. I mean when they get trent dilfer in there to be a mentor to their rookie QB you got problemz. I think good coaching really helped everyone on the niner team not just smith, although smith has such a bad history getting injured and re-injured. Jets' talent problems comes from them spending too much trading draft picks for veterans now the team is older and it just falls apart especially on offense. And apparently the jets' vets can't keep their mouths shut. I actually want to address the "he had the talent in college" -- not really! He notoriously started a very small sample size of games on a very well loaded team who was far, far better than most of their competition in an offense that was easy to execute and didn't ask much of him. Even his former coach said he wasn't ready for the NFL.
Yep, the only reason why he entered the draft was because the QB class was really fucking thin and it was during a time where money in the first round was still absurd. After Stafford, Sanchez and Freeman, the next 3 picks at QB were Pat White, Stephen McGee and Rhett Bomar. Guess where they are all now.
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So after five weeks of Kaepernick, are any Niners fans still longing for Alex Smith or regretting the switch?
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On December 19 2012 20:50 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 19:55 TwoToneTerran wrote:On December 19 2012 12:22 semantics wrote:On December 19 2012 12:10 Damiani wrote:On December 19 2012 11:51 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On December 19 2012 08:47 DannyJ wrote:
They still won 11 games. It just shows that so much of a QB being good or bad is what scheme or coach is around him. I feel like whoever was QB of the Jets the last fews years, at least if it was a rookie coming in like Sanchez, would have been pretty terrible. Rex Ryan should not be a head football coach. I really think the problems begin above Rex, with the GM (can't spell his name off the top of my head). Rex is a pretty good coach, it's just that being a clown doesn't fly when the team is losing. I agree. I think coaching has a major roll. Alex Smith of the 49ers is living proof that a good coach could make a mediocre QB look decent. If a team fail always target the people up top first. That's management and coaching. Smith could have always been a competent QB he def had the talent in college and had good looks during the draft but he got drafted into probably the most dysfunctional team at the time, which didn't get much better over the years except in surrounding him with good talent to be developed, getting high draft picks off all dem horrible seasons. I mean when they get trent dilfer in there to be a mentor to their rookie QB you got problemz. I think good coaching really helped everyone on the niner team not just smith, although smith has such a bad history getting injured and re-injured. Jets' talent problems comes from them spending too much trading draft picks for veterans now the team is older and it just falls apart especially on offense. And apparently the jets' vets can't keep their mouths shut. I actually want to address the "he had the talent in college" -- not really! He notoriously started a very small sample size of games on a very well loaded team who was far, far better than most of their competition in an offense that was easy to execute and didn't ask much of him. Even his former coach said he wasn't ready for the NFL. Yep, the only reason why he entered the draft was because the QB class was really fucking thin and it was during a time where money in the first round was still absurd. After Stafford, Sanchez and Freeman, the next 3 picks at QB were Pat White, Stephen McGee and Rhett Bomar. Guess where they are all now.
Isn't McGee the Cowboy's 3rd string QB (or used to be)? I may have to look that up later today when I get the chance.
On December 20 2012 03:18 xDaunt wrote:
So after five weeks of Kaepernick, are any Niners fans still longing for Alex Smith or regretting the switch?
Probably won't happen unless he has a terrible game in the playoffs that gets the 49ers bounced out early.
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who you guys got for mvp? i think rodgers gonna get it again.. the biggest stat that was shocking when i just looked at them was 45 sacks. thats more than double that of tom brady and peyton manning, and the other numbers are there too, leading in passer rating, 32 td to only 8 ints. i was originally leaning ap but when i saw this sack stat, on top of the fact gb has no running game, i think rodgers should get mvp. what do you guys think
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Peyton's probably going to win it, I think Peterson should.
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I think Peterson has a good shot of getting it if the Vikings make the playoffs. I'm rather torn between whether Rogers or Brady should get it otherwise. It will probably take the final two games for me to sort it out. Manning has had a great year, but he has had a great year on an otherwise decent team playing mostly garbage opponents.
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AP is pushing for the all time record in rushing yards for a season on a team that was 3-13 last year and added no one of significance. The only other weapon on that offense is Harvin, who has not played since week 9. Christian Fucking Ponder is his qb, so he faces 8 in the box all damn day and still averages 6.3ypc/130rypg. That is absolutely mind blowing.
Rodgers is playing very well, but it is nothing mindblowing. They had a decent run game there until Benson died. Even without a run game, his WR crew is still very good even without him.
Brady also has a slew of weapons. Meh.
Peyton is the only one that would even be worth considering besides AP, and that's only because no one knew how he'd do with that neck injury. He's having a very good season, but he's not even the clear cut best at his position. Also, he has plenty of talent on that offense. They have a good line, they run well, and DT and Decker are a very, very nice combo.
I really don't see how anyone but AP deserves it.
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I actually don't think DT or Decker are very good. Peyton does that to dudes.
Basically if ADP breaks Dickerson's record after dragging his shitty team kicking and screaming to the playoffs he should win it. The voters care first and foremost about Wins, then stats, then whether or not you're a quarterback and finally your story. Peyton's got all 4. I'm pretty sure, short of a collapse in the last two games, Peyton's winning another MVP.
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AP should only win it if they make the playoffs. To me, a players value to his team is irrelevant if his team is not in the playoffs. Thus, an MVP must come from a playoff team. AP could very well be offensive player of the year, but not MVP without a playoff bid.
Since that won't happen, it's Manning's title to lose, imo.
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Russell Wilson for ROY, MVP, and SEU (Supreme Emperor of the Universe)
and for the love of the gods people, its AD, not AP
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On December 20 2012 05:10 Wolfswood wrote:
and for the love of the gods people, its AD, not AP
THANK YOU!
Adrian 'All Day' Peterson
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On December 20 2012 04:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I actually don't think DT or Decker are very good. Peyton does that to dudes.
Basically if ADP breaks Dickerson's record after dragging his shitty team kicking and screaming to the playoffs he should win it. The voters care first and foremost about Wins, then stats, then whether or not you're a quarterback and finally your story. Peyton's got all 4. I'm pretty sure, short of a collapse in the last two games, Peyton's winning another MVP.
Decker is a #2/slot. I think his speed matches up perfectly with DT being a physical beat.
FYIW, Peyton did say that DT is the most physically gifted WR he has ever played with.
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No one has used that nick name since he was in college.
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Lots of people use it but AP is also correct because those are his initials. Just like Chris Johnson is CJ. It never had anything to do with all day and i really get annoyed by people thinking people are messing it up. AP is just a quick way to type Adrian Peterson without having to fully type it. I say ADP because it's both and usually people don't bitch at me for it but there you go.
On December 20 2012 05:22 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I actually don't think DT or Decker are very good. Peyton does that to dudes.
Basically if ADP breaks Dickerson's record after dragging his shitty team kicking and screaming to the playoffs he should win it. The voters care first and foremost about Wins, then stats, then whether or not you're a quarterback and finally your story. Peyton's got all 4. I'm pretty sure, short of a collapse in the last two games, Peyton's winning another MVP. Decker is a #2/slot. I think his speed matches up perfectly with DT being a physical beat. FYIW, Peyton did say that DT is the most physically gifted WR he has ever played with.
I'm pretty sure that's just your average bald faced lie to promote your own team.
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On December 20 2012 05:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
No one has used that nick name since he was in college. No one except Peterson, and all his teammates.
+ Show Spoiler +
^from the man himself
Besides, why would anyone prefer AP over AD? AD just sounds better.
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On December 20 2012 05:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I say ADP because it's both and usually people don't bitch at me for it but there you go.
Pfft, that's totally Average Draft Position.
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On December 20 2012 06:12 Wolfswood wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 05:30 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
No one has used that nick name since he was in college. No one except Peterson, and all his teammates. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isYChtpBfwc ^from the man himself Besides, why would anyone prefer AP over AD? AD just sounds better.
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The point is that he hasn't been called that for years now in the media/outside of the team (if what you say is accurate). AP sounds better anyway, AD sounds like you're talking about what year it is. Although all these damn heathens want to change it to AC.
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On December 20 2012 05:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:Lots of people use it but AP is also correct because those are his initials. Just like Chris Johnson is CJ. It never had anything to do with all day and i really get annoyed by people thinking people are messing it up. AP is just a quick way to type Adrian Peterson without having to fully type it. I say ADP because it's both and usually people don't bitch at me for it but there you go. Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 05:22 QuanticHawk wrote:On December 20 2012 04:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I actually don't think DT or Decker are very good. Peyton does that to dudes.
Basically if ADP breaks Dickerson's record after dragging his shitty team kicking and screaming to the playoffs he should win it. The voters care first and foremost about Wins, then stats, then whether or not you're a quarterback and finally your story. Peyton's got all 4. I'm pretty sure, short of a collapse in the last two games, Peyton's winning another MVP. Decker is a #2/slot. I think his speed matches up perfectly with DT being a physical beat. FYIW, Peyton did say that DT is the most physically gifted WR he has ever played with. I'm pretty sure that's just your average bald faced lie to promote your own team.
Physically, Demaryius Thomas probably is the most gifted WR he's ever worked with. 6'3" 229 lbs, 4.38 40 yd. Reportedly had a 47" vertical in his pro day, and a 4.29-40. A FORTY-SEVEN INCH VERTICAL. That's insane.
Compare to Harrison at 6 nothing and 185 lbs. Also a 4.38 40. 43" vertical.
Reggie Wayne at 6 nothing and 190 lbs. 4.45-40, 36" vertical.
Physically, DT is far more gifted than either of them, and they're the two best that he's worked with. He's bigger, faster, and jumps higher.
*Note: All stats are taken off of whatever the first result on Google said; I couldn't be bothered to research this in great depth.
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